The Unforgiveable Sins

bbbbbbb · Jun 7, 2021

Yes, you read it right. This thread is a discussion of the unforgiveable sins which God will not forgive and which will keep people from entering heaven. Typically, the discussion revolves around the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus stated was the only sin which God cannot forgive. Various definitions of what that means in actuality have been discussed ad infinitum and if you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to do so.

The reality is that there are multitudes, probably the majority of humanity who have ever lived, who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit and probably are oblivious to the existence of the Holy Spirit yet who will be prevented from entering heaven, which means that God has not forgiven their sin(s).

As the poll reveals, there are many sins (the poll lists only a dozen possibilities) which fall into this category. Various Christians and denominations have held various views on these sins and you are free to include as many or as few on your list as you choose.

Neogaia777 · Jun 7, 2021

The only one (sin) (in that list) that can never ever be forgiven even in a small or moderate amount of a/in a percentage of cases based on the individual circumstances/situations/conditions, etc, is only the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit only at all ever, etc...

And in order to truly commit such, it cannot be ever be done by mistake or in ignorance, etc, or by those in ignorance, etc, but can only be done only by those who have only come to ever truly know Him only at all ever, and have come to know fully just who He truly is, etc...

Peace.

God Bless!

ozso · Jun 7, 2021

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which I think is basically not believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, because that's the only means of receiving forgiveness.

The others you have listed are what some call mortal sins, rather than being unforgivable sins.

Sabertooth · Jun 7, 2021

Here is the problems that I have with your list,

Dying without ever turning to Jesus does not mean that
one was unforgivable.
It just means that they missed their "window of opportunity."

Another is clearly stated in Scripture.

And yet another is strongly implied, though never clearly stated.

Here is the recurring error that I find in this forum,

A compulsive person

reads where they might have committed "some unforgivable sin,"
declare themself to be apostate and
anxiously resigns themself to their pronounced fate.

They always fail to recognize that if they had truly offended the Holy Spirit beyond repair,

He would abandon them (i.e. stop convicting them) and
they would be completely apathetic to all three points above.
That declaration is His to make, not theirs!
If they remain so concerned, they are incorrect about having offended Him (to that extent).

With, at least, one possible exception, Salvation is a limited-time offer. Refusing to accept it before death means that one's sin is no longer forgivable.

Jesus said that Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is completely unforgivable, but having such fear/conviction means that person is in error about having committed it!

We cannot know with certainty what becomes of a Christian who murders themself [1 Corinthians 13:12], but it is an Eternally risky step, at best.

Neogaia777 · Jun 7, 2021

MMXX said:
Not believing in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

There may be some small percentage of all other kinds sins or mistakes that still might, or still could be forgiven, with the only true exception in any and all cases, and the only one being 100% truly "absolute", etc, is only the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ever at all only, etc, and with the former, even maybe never coming to confess Jesus as Lord and Savior maybe with their lips maybe, etc, in some small percentage of cases maybe, etc...

Best to leave all that other judging up to God I think, etc, for there are reasons we "don't know", etc, and only God alone only, truly knows their heart, etc, our command is simply to love and serve, and give all the benefit of the doubt, etc, and to do this always and continually with all, etc...

God Bless!

ozso · Jun 7, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
There may be some small percentage of all other kinds sins or mistakes that still might, or still could be forgiven, with the only true exception in any and all cases, and the only one being 100% truly "absolute", etc, is only the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ever at all only, etc, and with the former, even maybe never coming to confess Jesus as Lord and Savior maybe with their lips maybe, etc, in some small percentage of cases maybe, etc...

Best to leave all that other judging up to God I think, etc, for there are reasons we "don't know", etc, and only God alone only, truly knows their heart, etc, our command is simply to love and serve, and give all the benefit of the doubt, etc, and to do this always and continually with all, etc...

God Bless!

As I see it, Jesus made it clear that they committed an unforgivable sin, "because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.” Mark 3:30. In other words they did not believe in Him as their Messiah ie savior, so they had cancelled out their only means of forgiveness.

FutureAndAHope · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
Yes, you read it right. This thread is a discussion of the unforgiveable sins which God will not forgive and which will keep people from entering heaven. Typically, the discussion revolves around the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus stated was the only sin which God cannot forgive. Various definitions of what that means in actuality have been discussed ad infinitum and if you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to do so.

The reality is that there are multitudes, probably the majority of humanity who have ever lived, who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit and probably are oblivious to the existence of the Holy Spirit yet who will be prevented from entering heaven, which means that God has not forgiven their sin(s).

As the poll reveals, there are many sins (the poll lists only a dozen possibilities) which fall into this category. Various Christians and denominations have held various views on these sins and you are free to include as many or as few on your list as you choose.

No one sin is unforgivable. The cross covers every sin we could possibly commit from the day we were born to the day we die.

Heb 9:27-28 We die only once, and then we are judged. So Christ died only once to take away the sins of many people.

You have to look at the unpardonable sin for what it was, the Pharisees had seen all the works of power that Jesus performed and still would rather call him a devil than repent. The unpardonable sin is not letting God in, by denying every action he performs to bring us salvation. It is a state of heart, not a sin.

Maria Billingsley · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
Yes, you read it right. This thread is a discussion of the unforgiveable sins which God will not forgive and which will keep people from entering heaven. Typically, the discussion revolves around the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus stated was the only sin which God cannot forgive. Various definitions of what that means in actuality have been discussed ad infinitum and if you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to do so.

The reality is that there are multitudes, probably the majority of humanity who have ever lived, who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit and probably are oblivious to the existence of the Holy Spirit yet who will be prevented from entering heaven, which means that God has not forgiven their sin(s).

As the poll reveals, there are many sins (the poll lists only a dozen possibilities) which fall into this category. Various Christians and denominations have held various views on these sins and you are free to include as many or as few on your list as you choose.

One and two are the same sin.
Blessings.

eleos1954 · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
Yes, you read it right. This thread is a discussion of the unforgiveable sins which God will not forgive and which will keep people from entering heaven. Typically, the discussion revolves around the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus stated was the only sin which God cannot forgive. Various definitions of what that means in actuality have been discussed ad infinitum and if you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to do so.

The reality is that there are multitudes, probably the majority of humanity who have ever lived, who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit and probably are oblivious to the existence of the Holy Spirit yet who will be prevented from entering heaven, which means that God has not forgiven their sin(s).

As the poll reveals, there are many sins (the poll lists only a dozen possibilities) which fall into this category. Various Christians and denominations have held various views on these sins and you are free to include as many or as few on your list as you choose.

Blasphemy

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is committed only in the context of an attitude of persistent unbelief and open hostility toward Jesus (who is God - OT & NT). Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not a single episode; it is a determined way of life.

All are without excuse.

Romans 1:20 (amplified)

For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are without excuse and without defense.

bbbbbbb · Jun 7, 2021

Thanks to you all for weighing in on this thread. There is some excellent discussion going on and I trust that we will all continue to remain cordial and on topic.

TedT · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
The reality is that there are multitudes, probably the majority of humanity who have ever lived, who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit and probably are oblivious to the existence of the Holy Spirit yet who will be prevented from entering heaven, which means that God has not forgiven their sin(s).

You misunderstand the nature of the sinfulness of the nations....

ImCo:
No one can become sinful or a sinner unless they choose by their free will from a state of innocence to reject HIM as GOD or to rebel against HIS command after accepting HIM as their GOD. The sins we do as humans living predetermined lives after being sown, (ie planted, not created) in this world Matt 13:36-39, are NOT the cause of our sinfulness but merely the expression of our prior sinful choice.

The reprobate, ie, those you characterize to be those who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit, are probably those who, led by Satan, rejected YHWH's gospel claims to be our GOD and that salvation from any sin was only found in the Son as the lies of a false god.

This rejection of HIM caused them to be sinful to their core and cut them off from HIS ability to bring them back from this blasphemy to righteousness because this choice isolated themselves from HIS grace by it being a free will decision and our free will decisions are sacrosanct from any interference by GOD or it is not free at all.

Thus by choosing to put their faith, their unproven hope, in HIS being a lair and a false god, they became eternally evil, forever outside of HIS grace....ie unforgivable. UN-believers in this world who are condemned for their unbelief have never believed and are condemned already: Jn 3:18 The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not (a word sometimes translate as has never) believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those people who put their faith in HIS promise and became HIS elect (ie good seed, sheep) but then rebelled (became sinful, went astray into sin) are never condemned for their unbelief caused by this rebellion because they can be brought back to their first faith in HIM of trusting in HIS promise of election to never condemn them.

bbbbbbb · Jun 7, 2021

TedT said:
You misunderstand the nature of the sinfulness of the nations....

ImCo:
No one can become sinful or a sinner unless they choose by their free will from a state of innocence to reject HIM as GOD or to rebel against HIS command after accepting HIM as their GOD. The sins we do as humans living predetermined lives after being sown, (ie planted, not created) in this world Matt 13:36-39, are NOT the cause of our sinfulness but merely the expression of our prior sinful choice.

The reprobate, ie, those you characterize to be those who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit, are probably those who, led by Satan, rejected YHWH's gospel claims to be our GOD and that salvation from any sin was only found in the Son as the lies of a false god.

This rejection of HIM caused them to be sinful to their core and cut them off from HIS ability to bring them back from this blasphemy to righteousness because this choice isolated themselves from HIS grace by it being a free will decision and our free will decisions are sacrosanct from any interference by GOD or it is not free at all.

Thus by choosing to put their faith, their unproven hope, in HIS being a lair and a false god, they became eternally evil, forever outside of HIS grace....ie unforgivable. UN-believers in this world who are condemned for their unbelief have never believed and are condemned already: Jn 3:18 The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not (a word sometimes translate as has never) believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those people who put their faith in HIS promise and became HIS elect (ie good seed, sheep) but then rebelled (became sinful, went astray into sin) are never condemned for their unbelief caused by this rebellion because they can be brought back to their first faith in HIM of trusting in HIS promise of election to never condemn them.

My question to you is, "Are there any people who have not rejected 'YHWH's gospel claims to be our GOD'?"

TedT · Jun 7, 2021

Sabertooth said:
With, at least, one possible exception, Salvation is a limited-time offer. Refusing to accept it before death means that one's sin is no longer forgivable.

I know that this is quite an ordinary pov but I must question it...

GOD is love.
Love is patient, love is kind.
HIS Perfect Love is therefore perfectly patient.

I cannot accept that HIS offer of salvation has any time limit, that is, that someone who can be saved will not be saved because HE ran out of patience! What is it to HIM if HE has to wait for a billion billion years for their repentance (or whatever HE is waiting for).

IF HIS mercy endureth forever, then so HIS loving patience endureth forever:
Psa 136:1
O give thanks H3034 unto the LORD; H3068 for he is good: H2896 for his MERCY H2617 endureth for ever. H5769
mercy H2617:
mercy (149x), kindness (40x), lovingkindness (30x), goodness (12x), kindly (5x), merciful (4x), favour (3x)

IF any can be saved, they will be saved, no matter how long it takes. Period.
Only those who cannot be saved will not be saved; they are condemned already: Jn 3:18. How can they be condemned already if HE's waiting for them to decide?

The postponement of the judgement day is not based upon the time it takes for some people to repent but for all HIS sheep (those who can be saved) who have gone astray to RETURN to Him as fully sanctified and holy so they are safe from the effects of the judgement upon themselves: Matt 13:27 The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ [bring the judgment upon them?] 29 ‘NO,’ he said, [postpone the judgement because] ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. ie the time of the maturity of the wheat, and the only maturity that saves anyone from the judgement is a mature holiness.

Those who are not HIS sheep are condemned already by their free will decision to be outside of HIS mercy and grace, not by HIS turning from HIS patience which could save them.

TedT · Jun 7, 2021

MMXX said:
As I see it, Jesus made it clear that they committed an unforgivable sin, "because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.” Mark 3:30. In other words they did not believe in Him as their Messiah ie savior, so they had cancelled out their only means of forgiveness.

ImCo,
Since the Satanic fell before the foundation of the world I assume that this unforgivable sin was sinned at that time before they were flung into the world: Rev 12:7 Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9 And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Those who didn't sin the unforgivable sin at that time were chosen, elected before the foundation of the world to be saved from any sin they might sin in the future as we are taught in the parable of the weeds in two parts in Matt 13.

TedT · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
My question to you is, "Are there any people who have not rejected 'YHWH's gospel claims to be our GOD'?"

YES!! There are two kinds of sinners in this world: sheep and goats; good seed and weeds; the elect and non-elect. Sheep are NOT repentant goats, Good seed are NOT repentant weeds.

All are sinners (only sinners are sown into this world...) but only some are Satanic goats who became that way when they sinned the unforgivable sin, rebuking YHWH as a liar and a false god.

The sheep who went astray into sin chose to rebel against HIS command AFTER they put their faith in Him as their saviour and became HIS elect. Thus, though sinful, they are still counted as believers before GOD and sinful believers are never condemned but those who never believed are condemned already, Jn 3:18.

TedT · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
My question to you is, "Are there any people who have not rejected 'YHWH's gospel claims to be our GOD'?"

Yes. Yes as an answer covers your reference to any person...but the details which you seem to find obscure are not so evident in this one word, hence my expansion into the depths of my YES! You can stop here now if you find yes to be acceptable.

I did not mention the holy and elect angels who have never repudiated HIS Deity nor chose to sin or rebel against any of HIS commands deciding to stick to the sinful people sown into this word, Matt 13:36-39.

But I did mention that the sinful elect were believers at one time also and they still have the status of believer though sinful because they can be returned to their first faith in HIS Deity. In other words, they are believers who lost their faith by sinning and their sin led them into a repudiation of GOD and the Gospel which is not held against them as it was not from their free will but from their sinful will, ie, it is covered by the blood of Christ.

But the reprobate were never believers, never had any faith in HIS Deity and so cannot be returned to that choice they never made, thus they were condemned already...

I'm sorry if this isn't as neat and tidy as your semi-Socratic question wanted...

Sabertooth · Jun 7, 2021

TedT said:
Those who are not HIS sheep are condemned already by their free will decision to be outside of HIS mercy and grace, not by HIS turning from HIS patience which could save them.

How is that different from my point?

d taylor · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
Yes, you read it right. This thread is a discussion of the unforgiveable sins which God will not forgive and which will keep people from entering heaven. Typically, the discussion revolves around the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus stated was the only sin which God cannot forgive. Various definitions of what that means in actuality have been discussed ad infinitum and if you wish to discuss it further, please feel free to do so.

The reality is that there are multitudes, probably the majority of humanity who have ever lived, who have never blasphemed the Holy Spirit and probably are oblivious to the existence of the Holy Spirit yet who will be prevented from entering heaven, which means that God has not forgiven their sin(s).

As the poll reveals, there are many sins (the poll lists only a dozen possibilities) which fall into this category. Various Christians and denominations have held various views on these sins and you are free to include as many or as few on your list as you choose.

Why did you not add zero. The Messiah took away the sin of the world believers and unbelievers. Sin is not an obstacle for a person looking to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

And no one will judged for sins any time, Believers will be judged for their works in regard to their rewards they will receive at the judgment seat of The Messiah.
Unbelievers will be judged for their works also, to determined their position in the lake of fire ( i believe).
At the Great White Throne, God also looks in the Book of Life to see if their names are there.

Sins are never brought up at any of the judgments.

All sin has been forgiven.

bbbbbbb · Jun 7, 2021

d taylor said:
Why did you not add zero. The Messiah took away the sin of the world believers and unbelievers. Sin is not an obstacle for a person looking to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

And no one will judged for sins any time, Believers will be judged for their works in regard to their rewards they will receive at the judgment seat of The Messiah.
Unbelievers will be judged for their works also, to determined their position in the lake of fire ( i believe).
At the Great White Throne, God also looks in the Book of Life to see if their names are there.

Sins are never brought up at any of the judgments.

All sin has been forgiven.

Actually, zero is an option on the poll. Anyone can choose as many items on the list, including zero, or all.

Out of curiosity, why do you think Jesus talked about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as being an unforgivable sin if, indeed, it is forgivable?

d taylor · Jun 7, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
Actually, zero is an option on the poll. Anyone can choose as many items on the list, including zero, or all.

Out of curiosity, why do you think Jesus talked about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as being an unforgivable sin if, indeed, it is forgivable?

That was a sin that the nation of Israel committed, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, was not an individual sin committed by people. When the nation of Israel rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah on the basis of doing His miracles by the power of Beelzebub. The nation committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The pages i am posting below go into detail on this unique sin (excuse the underlining)

The Unforgiveable Sins

Which sin(s) is(are) unforgiveable?

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Not believing in the name of the Son of God, Jesus Christ

Homosexuality

Adultery

Lying

Divorce and remarriage while the original spouse is still alive

Remarriage

Murder

Suicide

Sabbath-breaking

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