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He is not saying that THERE is only one gospel for EVERYONE. You are reading that into his letters.

One of us is most clearly reading something into the text in an attempt to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

Can you explain why Paul did not use the word "gospels" in the verse below?


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Did Paul share the Gospel with Jews in the passage below?
Did Paul say below the Gospel to the Gentiles was different?

Act 28:17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.
Act 28:18 Who, when they had examined me, would have let me go, because there was no cause of death in me.
Act 28:19 But when the Jews spake against it, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had ought to accuse my nation of.
Act 28:20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
Act 28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
Act 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
Act 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Act 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act 28:28
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.



One Gospel, One New Covenant Church, One People of God

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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)



The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?


1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?


2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?


3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?


4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?


5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?


6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?


7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?


8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)


9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)



10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.



Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.


Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.


John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…


"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?




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Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;


Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


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Thank you for your explanation. So did the OT saints and the 12 disciples know and preach that?

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The verse below written by Paul proves there is only one Gospel.


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Paul did not use the word "gospels" in the verse above.

He used the singular "gospel".

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Hi Baberean,

The gospel `good news` of Christ to the Jews and Greeks, where was that to the OT saints?
Where was that good news, to the Jews and Greeks, to those whom Christ preached?

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Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;


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When you quote Acts 3:19, do you notice Peter was using the phrases to Israel
  1. your sins may be blotted out,
  2. when the times of refreshing shall come
Notice the word "may be" rather than "surely?

Notice their blotting out of sins is in the future, when the times of refreshing shall come?

When you use Ephesians after that, do you notice Paul is telling us that we are sealed with the HS immediately after we believe?

Can you see the difference?
 
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Notice their blotting out of sins is in the future, when the times of refreshing shall come?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Are you claiming the 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" in the passage above were not a part of the Church?

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Hi Baberean,

The gospel `good news` of Christ to the Jews and Greeks, where was that to the OT saints?
Where was that good news, to the Jews and Greeks, to those whom Christ preached?

Marilyn.


Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


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Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


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Hi BaBerean,

Yes Abraham certainly had `good news` preached to him. However it was not that he would be part of the Body of Christ. Abraham had `good news` of some of God`s purpose but not all of God`s purpose.

That `mystery` was not known - `for had they (rulers of this age) known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.` (1 Cor. 2: 8)

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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Are you claiming the 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" in the passage above were not a part of the Church?
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Do you want to address my question on how do you understand Acts 3:19, instead of jumping to another verse immediately?
 
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Do you want to address my question on how do you understand Acts 3:19, instead of jumping to another verse immediately?

Acts 3:19

(ESV) Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

(ESV+) R20Repent therefore, and R21turn back, that R22your sins may be blotted out,

(Geneva) Amend your liues therefore, and turne, that your sinnes may be put away, whe the time of refreshing shal come from the presence of the Lord.

(GW) So change the way you think and act, and turn to God to have your sins removed.

(KJV) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

(KJV+) RepentG3340 ye therefore,G3767 andG2532 be converted,G1994 that yourG5216 sinsG266 may be blotted out,G1813 whenG3704 the timesG2540 of refreshingG403 shall comeG2064 G302 fromG575 the presenceG4383 of theG3588 Lord;G2962

(NKJV) Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

(NLT) Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away.

(YLT) reform ye, therefore, and turn back, for your sins being blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

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Acts 3:19

(ESV) Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

(ESV+) R20Repent therefore, and R21turn back, that R22your sins may be blotted out,

(Geneva) Amend your liues therefore, and turne, that your sinnes may be put away, whe the time of refreshing shal come from the presence of the Lord.

(GW) So change the way you think and act, and turn to God to have your sins removed.

(KJV) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

(KJV+) RepentG3340 ye therefore,G3767 andG2532 be converted,G1994 that yourG5216 sinsG266 may be blotted out,G1813 whenG3704 the timesG2540 of refreshingG403 shall comeG2064 G302 fromG575 the presenceG4383 of theG3588 Lord;G2962

(NKJV) Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

(NLT) Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away.

(YLT) reform ye, therefore, and turn back, for your sins being blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

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And your conclusion is? Do you agree with my point or do you prefer to have another interpretation?
 
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And your conclusion is? Do you agree with my point or do you prefer to have another interpretation?

Based on my understanding of the text a person's sins are blotted out when they repent, as revealed by several of the translations found above. It is not delayed until some future time.


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Based on my understanding of the text a person's sins are blotted out when they repent, as revealed by several of the translations found above. It is not delayed until some future time.


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But the original version you used had the phrase "may be" correct?

Are you now changing it and taking whatever version that expressed what you already believed in?
 
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But the original version you used had the phrase "may be" correct?

Are you now changing it and taking whatever version that expressed what you already believed in?

I am not the one who is trying to squeeze the Two Peoples of God doctrine out of the text, because there is only one people of God in John 10:16.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


The New Covenant: Bob George


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I am not the one who is trying to squeeze the Two Peoples of God doctrine out of the text, because there is only one people of God in John 10:16.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


The New Covenant: Bob George


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No one is discussing anything about 2 people here.

We are still discussing Acts 3:19, the verse that you have used.
 
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