The Truth behind the Mask

[JM]

I'm sure there may be hints of political agendas but that doesn't mean they don't work even with the agendas. besides, as a Canadian, how has this impacted you?

In my area politicians are worried about being sued even though the spread wasn't bad and the death rate was extremely low. We had less than 200 cases and 6 deaths during the pandemic and I just double checked the states before replying.

I'm not saying Info Wars is telling the truth but it presented a theory and this is the forum for conspiracy theories so I shared it. The amount of heat is funny though.

jm

 

[BobRyan]

Yeah, the head doc in my area said he wouldn't mandate masks unless, "hell freezes over." ...

But did he make that rule for any surgical departments in hospitals?

 

[JacksBratt]

I know "control" is the overarching metanarrative of most conspiratorial claims. But, let's face it. Humanity, at it's best, is too stupid and disorganized to pull off most of what y'all think is happening. The only conspiracy worth attention is that too many stupid humans think they know something.

"He who thinks he knows and knows not, is a fool"

"He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a wise man".

Too many are the former

 

[JacksBratt]

The people not wearing masks are not disagreeing with us, they are ignorant of science and the reasons wearing a mask is important. They put others lives at risk. They are being ridiculous; a bit of ridicule is good medicine.

Has ridicule ever changed someones mind?

 

[JacksBratt]

Yeah, the head doc in my area said he wouldn't mandate masks unless, "hell freezes over." Choose your science and go with it.

Just google, or better yet use DuckDuckgo, and you'll see masks do not work. Two weeks ago the CDC website stated that masks do not work. Now they are saying they do.

Just remember 99.5% of the people that get it, get over it.

An I thought we were trying to reach "herd immunity" by getting most of the people infected.... Isn't a mask impeding that?

 

[Caliban]

Coming from a skeptic, that's rich.

I don't think you actually understand skepticism. It is a process of epistemology. Besides, did you just want to insult me , because coming from a Christian, that's rich.

 

[Caliban]

Has ridicule ever changed someones mind?

Actually yes, lots of minds. That is one of the fundamental purposes of ridicule. It is an effective rhetorical strategy.

 

[JacksBratt]

Actually yes, lots of minds. That is one of the fundamental purposes of ridicule. It is an effective rhetorical strategy.

Well, not with me. I must be different.

I believe that if someone is ridiculing me, they are either jealous, scared, embarrassed, envious, weak, ignorant, frustrated, immature, threatened or just down right have no other recourse.

Maybe when I was a kid... influenced by my peers.. Ya, I would be influenced in my actions..

However, now that I'm an adult and sure of who I am and what I believe... You ridicule me and I believe that you have just reinforced the truth of what I'm being ridiculed for.

 

[ripple the car]

I don't mind masking in public.

But I will note that the way the media has covered, filmed, and edited stories about this virus has millions of people deeply, deeply terrified of something with a relatively small mortality rate. Which, yes, is contagious as heck, but which has also managed to shut down much of our country, and enough people are plugged into the official media narrative, that this doesn't seem to bug a lot of folks.

Large retailers can stay open, but church is dangerous. This is what the media has many people accepting, as though it's fine. And it's not.

 

[Caliban]

Well, not with me. I must be different.

I believe that if someone is ridiculing me, they are either jealous, scared, embarrassed, envious, weak, ignorant, frustrated, immature, or just down right have no other recourse.

Maybe when I was a kid... influenced by my peers.. Ya, I would be influenced in my actions..

However, now that I'm an adult and sure of who I am and what I believe... You ridicule me and I believe that you have just reinforced the truth of what I'm being ridiculed for.

That's right, people respond differently to ridicule. Thomas Jefferson wrote that,
“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.” I am not advocating making fun of someone or bullying them; I am addressing the idea that ridiculous ideas should not be treated as serious. The word ridicule come out of the word ridiculous and is the reason why comedians are usually so funny.


For example, it is foolish to debate a flat earther. It is better to lampoon his ideas and move on. I would be under no illusion that I will change his mind; however, an observer may see the joke, consider the absurdity of the flat earthers point, and reconsider the idea because of the comedic response of the one using ridicule. Ridicule is to for the debater, but for the audience.

 

[ripple the car]

And, yes, the same voices clamoring for everybody to mask up early on are also generally clamoring for things to shut down again. One thing is arguably reasonable (masking in public), and the other would cripple the economy again, shove millions of people back into their homes like birds in cages, create an all-new mental health crisis, and make public and maybe even private (depending on how many people you try to get into your house) corporate worship illegal.

One thing leads to another.

 

[Caliban]

And, yes, the same voices clamoring for everybody to mask up early on are also generally clamoring for things to shut down again. One thing is arguably reasonable (masking in public), and the other would cripple the economy again, shove millions of people back into their homes like birds in cages, create an all-new mental health crisis, and make public and maybe even private (depending on how many people you try to get into your house) corporate worship illegal.

One thing leads to another.

I would rather choose human life over the economy or the mental health concern. The mental health of a dead person is a trivial worry.

 

[ripple the car]

I would rather choose human life over the economy or the mental health concern. The mental health of a dead person is a trivial worry.

Some things, for Christians, are worse than death.

Not being able to worship together.

For Catholic and Orthodox Christians, no access to Liturgy, or the Sacraments.

For many people, religious or not, the thought of being shoved back inside for months is not a viable option. This is not how healthy societies, economies, families, or individuals function, pandemic or not.

Take reasonable measures. Mask in public. Wash your hands. Limit who can and can not visit the elderly. But whether we die from Coronavirus or get hit by a train, death will come. Allowing ourselves to be herded and imprisoned and locked away forever because of something too small to see is foolish.

 

[Caliban]

Some things, for Christians, are worse than death.

Not being able to worship together.

For Catholic and Orthodox Christians, no access to Liturgy, or the Sacraments.

For many people, religious or not, the thought of being shoved back inside for months is not a viable option. This is not how healthy societies, economies, families, or individuals function, pandemic or not.

Take reasonable measures. Mask in public. Wash your hands. Limit who can and can not visit the elderly. But whether we die from Coronavirus or get hit by a train, death will come. Allowing ourselves to be herded and imprisoned and locked away forever because of something too small to see is foolish.

I'm sorry, but I don't accept making public policy on the ideas of some religious people. This is exactly why people say religion is dangerous.
The current models are now predicting 240,000 deaths by Election day.

 

[ripple the car]

I'm sorry, but I don't accept making public policy on the ideas of some religious people. This is exactly why people say religion is dangerous.
The current models are now predicting 240,000 deaths by Election day.

The right to assemble for worship is a basic right, which should be extended to everyone who feels safe enough to worship. If you want to go to worship, fine. If you don't feel safe going outside yet, you should be allowed to stay home. But at least give people the option.

Refusing anyone the right to assemble, open shop, worship together, get their hair cut, or go to school forever and ever (because this virus may well keep mutating) is silly, and more dangerous to more people, long-term, than a virus ever could be.

 

[Caliban]

The right to assemble for worship is a basic right, which should be extended to everyone who feels safe enough to worship. If you want to go to worship, fine. If you don't feel safe going outside yet, you should be allowed to stay home. But at least give people the option.

Refusing anyone the right to assemble, open shop, worship together, get their hair cut, or go to school forever and ever (because this virus may well keep mutating) is silly, and more dangerous to more people, long-term, than a virus ever could be.

Again--NO! You do not have a right to assemble during a PANDEMIC!!! Your preferences are arbitrated by the needs of other Americans. You are not simply taking a personal risk when you leave your house; you are jeopardizing the entire community for your supposed "rights." Society does not have to put up with your superficial understanding of human rights and your selfishness.

 

[ripple the car]

Again--NO! You do not have a right to assemble during a PANDEMIC!!! Your preferences are arbitrated by the needs of other Americans. You are not simply taking a personal risk when you leave your house; you are jeopardizing the entire community for your supposed "rights." Society does not have to put up with your superficial understanding of human rights and your selfishness.

If people do not feel safe leaving their house, attending church, or shopping for shoes, ok.

But if people want to do these things, take a risk, and try to resume something similar to a normal life, they should be allowed to do so.

Again, most of us may well contract this virus. It's insanely contagious. It is not nearly as lethal, percentage wise, as we had feared at first. It's still a virus. It's just a virus. Life has to continue. Yes, some people will die. We can take steps in public to reduce the risk of spread, but we can not stay locked away forever. That is foolish. And we are allowing fear, the media, specifically the hyped-up, hysterical, worst-case-scenario, heavily edited and unbalanced tenor of the media to think and choose for us, and that is not good.

 

[Caliban]

If people do not feel safe leaving their house, attending church, or shopping for shoes, ok.

But if people want to do these things, take a risk, and try to resume something similar to a normal life, they should be allowed to do so.

Again, most of us may well contract this virus. It's insanely contagious. It is not nearly as lethal, percentage wise, as we had feared at first. It's still a virus. It's just a virus. Life has to continue. Yes, some people will die. We can take steps in public to reduce the risk of spread, but we can not stay locked away forever. That is foolish. And we are allowing fear, the media, specifically the hyped-up, hysterical, worst-case-scenario, heavily edited and unbalanced tenor of the media to think and choose for us, and that is not good.

You don’t know the facts—here are some:


Mortality rates from other countries affected by the pandemic have added to confusion about how deadly the virus is. The rate is nearly 14 percent in Italy, but only 0.5 percent in Iceland. Germany stands at 4.5 percent, and South Korea is half that at 2.4 percent. The United States mortality rate is about 6 percent, slightly less than the global average of 6.8 percent.


This virus is lethal, and you just want to go to church. Sorry, it’s not a good idea.

 

[ripple the car]

You don’t know the facts—here are some:


Mortality rates from other countries affected by the pandemic have added to confusion about how deadly the virus is. The rate is nearly 14 percent in Italy, but only 0.5 percent in Iceland. Germany stands at 4.5 percent, and South Korea is half that at 2.4 percent. The United States mortality rate is about 6 percent, slightly less than the global average of 6.8 percent.


This virus is lethal, and you just want to go to church. Sorry, it’s not a good idea.

Yes, some people who contract this will die. That is true. The overwhelming majority of people who have died from this virus have been elderly, and/or already had complicated and profound health problems. It is wise to take steps to protect the elderly, and those who are seriously ill.

It is not wise to shut everything down over and over and over, ban public worship, make socializing illegal, and close down every business except Walmart. That is stupid. I'm sorry, Caliban, but it's stupid.

We can not function like this. For many, the mental toll of being cooped up inside for weeks was profound. Suicides spiked. People unable to go to work became depressed, anxious, and frustrated. Folks who had just opened up their own businesses never got to get off the ground.

There is more to overall quality of life than not perhaps contracting a virus. And this needs to be considered, too. Again, the media has made us all willing to stay imprisoned in our homes indefinitely, because it says that we should. That's not healthy. At all.

 

[Lycurgus89]

Bros listen, twenty whole years of the most awful superhero movies have prepared us for masks. It was all part of their plan.