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What's the topic of this op, Raymond?Do you believe that, had you been aborted because of the defeat, you would of never gotten a chance to live again?....on earth, that is.
And the very fact that you were born....Is it because your mother willed it...or God?
Are you sure you do not want to clarify and more accurately qualify that statement because I can provide a long list of quotes from people who do in fact support abortion, some indiscriminantly and others less so but I can prove your statement patently false.No one supports abortion.
Yes, and that statement has more to do with "rights" and not a thing to do with anything I've posted. As to the "right" of "choice," I've already addressed that matter: quality of life does not trump existence of life. No one has a right to kill humans.But there are some who believe you should have a right to make your own choice about it and not be forced one way or the other, if it is legal.
No, it is not similar to guns. That is a false equivalency.Similar to Guns.....
That's not entirely correct but I'll concede the point for the moment. Given the premise of abortions being legal you then understand Roe was political and therefore had little to do with existing medical and legal practice. It was bad social policy, bad medical policy, and bad legal policy.Very Prior to Roe abortions weren’t illegal and were carried out by midwives.
Ugh! Why is it so difficult for those of you responding to my posts to stay on topic?Baby farming...
Children given potentially eternal life by the Creator who gives and grants life through conception and birth, yes....
Even a hard difficult life - which is promised anyway to everyone who stands up for the truth - even persecution and martyrdom....
Realize WHO JESUS WAS, WHEN IN THE WOMB.....
I will deal with facts here, look at a fetus at 12 weeks you can google it, tell me thats not a human being..if you can say thats not a human being there your either dillusional or a professional liar. Many of the practices in the abortion industry are an abomination.
Yes I would like for you to prove that most Christians 51% or more, say that abortion is a good thing to do and encourages it, no matter the reason. If you are basing your claims on outliers or a minute percentage of people....your claims are baseless.Are you sure you do not want to clarify and more accurately qualify that statement because I can provide a long list of quotes from people who do in fact support abortion, some indiscriminantly and others less so but I can prove your statement patently false.
What's the topic of this op, Josheb?No one has a right to kill humans.
No, it is not similar to guns. That is a false equivalency.
Scripture says otherwise concerning the unborn being each verse having human qualities:I will deal with facts here, look at a fetus at 12 weeks you can google it, tell me thats not a human being..if you can say thats not a human being there your either dillusional or a professional liar. Many of the practices in the abortion industry are an abomination.
Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.
Now my stance, a fetus is a human being and and abortion is murder in my personal oppinon.
It should stay legal in only two cases, one if a woman is a victim of rape and even then it to be in the first 2 or 3 months, take into account shock but if you wait 6 months then decide you want an abortion..thats sick because at 6 months the child can survive with medical assistancce.
Secondly for medical reason such as the mother not being able to carry to term...case in point a woman in ireland was miscarrying and they would not remove the baby cause the heart was beating, the child was dead short of jesus christ coming down from the heavens that baby was going to die. But they waited for heart to stop..she got an inffection because of it and died.
Abortion should not be a form of brith control. If you do not want kids uses condoms and the pill or better yet keep your legs closed and pants zipped.
Christians your stance on abortion is not a religious issue...its moral personal one so get over the god says it abortion bit cause he done not consider and unborn child a human being according to the bible..sorry
Nice straw man. Nowhere did I say, "most Christians say abortion is a good thing." Never said it. Never implied it. Never remotely insinuated it.Yes I would like for you to prove that most Christians 51% or more, say that abortion is a good thing to do and encourages it, no matter the reason.
Killing fetal humans, not rights to do so. When you bring up rights you're digressing.What's the topic of this op, Josheb?
Yep. This op isn't about the law and whether the law is right, moral, or lawful. The US and many countries throughout history have legislated laws immorally. It was once legal in the US to consider a person of African origin or ethnicity only 3/5 of a person. It was once legal in the US to own humans.... and it was once legal to kill those humans owned by other humans.Killing humans is against the law.....Abortion is not, in some places.
No, they are not. Your personal opinion on the matter is irrelevant. It is what you can evidence and prove factually and rationally that determines a sound argument and changing the topic, false equivalencies, and straw men do not constitute a sound argument.I disagree, the situations are equivalent....
Already done. So far no one has prove abortion does not kill humans. No one has proven existence of life is less significant or important than quality of life. Until someone does so everything else is moot.Can you do the same for others?
Let us talk about abortion and not killing humans...... Unless you only care about what you believe similar ignoring and disregarding the similarities seen by others whose opinions you deem less deserving of the respect you give your own...
This is by sight and we can do so through medical technological achievements. However, the science is clear. We know we are distinct (from the parents) human beings by DNA and more specifically by chromosomes at the moment of fertilization. These are biological facts. We are small human beings at that point but human beings. We are exactly what we are supposed to be at that point in human development.I will deal with facts here, look at a fetus at 12 weeks you can google it, tell me thats not a human being..if you can say thats not a human being there your either dillusional or a professional liar. Many of the practices in the abortion industry are an abomination.
That is an assertion and not a fact. Miscarriage nor abortion appears in the Hebrew text in Exodus 21:22-25. The language used is that this is a live birth which is premature. Let's look at the text involved:Now I am going to tell other Christians here a simple fact, god does not acknowlege an unborn child as a human being in the bible. Gods says it, if you cause a woman to lose her child you have to pay her a fine for the loss, if you kill a human being god says you are to be put to death. So Christians I am sorry according to the bible its not murder.
How does rape justify the termination (killing) of an innocent human life in the womb? The act of terrible violence against the woman happened due to a rapist and not the human being in the womb. The rapist gets what? Maybe 7 years if apprehended and convicted of the crime. Goes to jail gets three hot meals a day, a cot, and cable television. May even get out in 3.5 years or sooner for "good behavior."Now my stance, a fetus is a human being and and abortion is murder in my personal oppinon.
It should stay legal in only two cases, one if a woman is a victim of rape and even then it to be in the first 2 or 3 months, take into account shock but if you wait 6 months then decide you want an abortion..thats sick because at 6 months the child can survive with medical assistancce.
If the child still had a heartbeat then he/she was not dead. However the death of Savita Halappanavar was a medical malpractice case as the doctors did not treat her sepsis. The medical inquiry showed Galway hospital missed 13 opportunities to properly diagnose and treat her. It had nothing to do with the then strict Irish abortion laws.Secondly for medical reason such as the mother not being able to carry to term...case in point a woman in ireland was miscarrying and they would not remove the baby cause the heart was beating, the child was dead short of jesus christ coming down from the heavens that baby was going to die. But they waited for heart to stop..she got an inffection because of it and died.
Another assertion. I already posted on Exodus 21:22-26, therefore you are operating from an invalid premise. In fact God communicates that innocent blood or life is very important to Him:Christians your stance on abortion is not a religious issue...its moral personal one so get over the god says it abortion bit cause he done not consider and unborn child a human being according to the bible..sorry
How would you define the premeditated (in over 97% of all cases of abortion) termination (killing) of innocent human beings?Let us talk about abortion and not killing humans...... Unless you only care about what you believe similar ignoring and disregarding the similarities seen by others whose opinions you deem less deserving of the respect you give your own...
Are you trying to be deceptive intentionally?Aren't you tho one coming here pushing what you believe, and treating others as though their opinions are less deserving? Seems to me you are doing right there, what you are accusing others of doing.
Seriously, why come here and try to convince Christians, the very people who are likely against abortion, that abortion is ok? Can you not simply accept that some will never buy into your ideas on this? Why try to change our minds? The only thing that makes sense of your actions is you aren't completely sure you aren't promoting killing babies.
Each person, you and me and the others, are to live as those who know we/they are to be judged.
How would you define the premeditated (in over 97% of all cases of abortion) termination (killing) of innocent human beings?
I wrote in the same reply you quotes, that I respected the opinion of the one I was conversing with....yet you left that out and say that I dont?
So why try to make others believe that I support it after reading those clear words?
What are you trying to accomplish here?
Except abortion is precisely the killing of unborn human beings. 98.5% of all abortions are performed for non-medical emergency situations. In other words, 98.5% of abortions are performed for convenience sake.Let us talk about abortion and not killing humans.
Yes, we know you support the notion that killing a morally valuable human being is permissible.Some women do not want to undergo the physical stress of having a baby . Most people are aware of the hormonal changes that play havoc with your emotions. A few women become psychotic because of that. All women in labor put up with horrendous pain that can last for up to 24 or more hours. Then there’s the biological fact that a fetus fights the mothers body thru the entire pregnancy. Which is why some people including some biologists characterize a fetus as a type of temporary parasite . And if you don’t believe that, ask any developmental biologist. You might not like the fact that some women don’t want to be forced to undergo these but I support their decision not to
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