The True Sabbath

[kissybug27]

I guess it depends on which day of the week is the first. I always thought Monday was, and so Sunday would be the seventh day.

Mon1, tues2, wed3, thur4, fri5, sat6, sunday7

If you go by my hubby's weekly schedule the week starts on Saturday. It's been this way for 8 years for us as we have both worked for the same company at times. I thought it was strange when I first found out that the work week starts on saturday but I'm use to it now. But now when I look at a regular calendar is takes me a minute to count the weeks cause I go by saturdays instead of sundays LOL......God bless

p.s. Our year doesnt end until Feb. LOL

 

[Serapha]

Forgive me, this could not be passed up....
The look of the words and the lack of emotions applied (ie. smilies) just placed a picture in my mind of the two of you sitting there, face to face, and OccamsLaser seriously taking S's hand, and giving her the bad news, lol.
Sorry, I could not resist.
Bye~

*sigh*


It was a sad moment.....


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!



Look at the great question I found in searching for Sunday Sabbath....


How does one determine the beginning and ending of the Sabbath in the Arctic?







It is a good topic for discussion... however, there no salvific value in the discussion... it doen't affect the plan of salvation, now does it?

~serapha~

 

[Patiently waiting]

We didn't change it. Christ changed it.

How did Jesus change the Sabbath? He observed it himself. His followers continued to observe it even after his death. They didn't tend to his body the day after his death because it was the Sabbath. You take a couple of verses in the bible and do some biblical gymnastics and come up with a justification for your belief. If you look at the majority of scripture with an open and unbiased heart on this matter you would see my point.

The ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandments.

Why would God change one of his own 10 commandments that he wrote in stone with his own finger? Why did Jesus observe the Sabbath? Why did his followers observe the Sabbath the day after he died if it was changed to Sunday?

I agree with you 98% of the time. You are someone who I believe is enlightened, and I enjoy reading your posts. But Brother, I'm not convinced you are correct on this one.

I could be wrong... One day we'll all know.

 

[12volt_man]

How did Jesus change the Sabbath? He observed it himself. His followers continued to observe it even after his death. They didn't tend to his body the day after his death because it was the Sabbath. You take a couple of verses in the bible and do some biblical gymnastics and come up with a justification for your belief.

No, I don't "take a couple of verses in the bible and do some biblical gymnastics and come up with a justification for your belief" . I take those teachings concerning the Sabbath and Christ and put them into their proper context.

If you look at the majority of scripture with an open and unbiased heart on this matter you would see my point.

Gee, that's not arrogant, is it?

Anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have arrived at their conclusion after nearly twenty years of thoughtful study? We just arbitrarily decided to believe what we do because our hearts are closed an biased?

I'm sure God will be happy to know that you're there to take some of the pressure off of Him, judging hearts and all.

The ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandments.

I agree. Don't you think it's a little conspicuous that, out of the Ten Commandments, the only one that's not taught in the NT is the Sabbath?

Why would God change one of his own 10 commandments that he wrote in stone with his own finger?

He didn't. The Sabbath was meant to be a shadow of the coming Christ. Now that Christ has come, we no longer need the shadow.

Why did Jesus observe the Sabbath? Why did his followers observe the Sabbath the day after he died if it was changed to Sunday?

Because they were Jews.

I think you're misunderstanding my point. There's nothing wrong with worshipping on Saturday. Or on Sunday. Or even on Tuesday afternoons.

If we're going to go by your logic, are churches who have Wednesday night services (there are still a few left) wrong?

I know, for me, when I'm not able to attend Sunday am services because of a race or a tournament, I attend services on Wednesday or Friday night. I don't see one practical or moral difference.

I challenge you to show me one instance where Jesus (or Paul) instruct the NT church to worship on Saturday. You can't because the Sabbath is no longer a day of the week, but Christ, Himself.

I agree with you 98% of the time. You are someone who I believe is enlightened, and I enjoy reading your posts. But Brother, I'm not convinced you are correct on this one.

Yes, you are right and 2,000 years of Christian orthodoxy is wrong.

I could be wrong... One day we'll all know.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It's a non-essential that Christians of good conscience have the liberty to disagree over. It is what Paul called "a disputable matter".

I don't think you serve yourself, your argument and certainly not the cause of Christ very well when you go about defending your position in such an arrogant manner.

 

[Patiently waiting]

I take those teachings concerning the Sabbath and Christ and put them into their proper context.

Then explain how you do this. I really want to learn. Show me.

Gee, that's not arrogant, is it?

Anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have arrived at their conclusion after nearly twenty years of thoughtful study? We just arbitrarily decided to believe what we do because our hearts are closed an biased?

I'm sure God will be happy to know that you're there to take some of the pressure off of Him, judging hearts and all.

What? Why are you so upset? Why are you accusing me of judging you? I just wanted you to look at the scriptures concerning the Sabbath without any preconceived notions.

I agree. Don't you think it's a little conspicuous that, out of the Ten Commandments, the only one that's not taught in the NT is the Sabbath?

Yet the Sabbath was mentioned more than the other nine commandments.

He didn't. The Sabbath was meant to be a shadow of the coming Christ. Now that Christ has come, we no longer need the shadow.

Scripture please.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God. Not a prophesy of the coming of Christ.

Because they were Jews.

God made and rested on the Sabbath before there were any Jews.

I think you're misunderstanding my point. There's nothing wrong with worshipping on Saturday. Or on Sunday. Or even on Tuesday afternoons.

If we're going to go by your logic, are churches who have Wednesday night services (there are still a few left) wrong?.

No, not at all.

I know, for me, when I'm not able to attend Sunday am services because of a race or a tournament, I attend services on Wednesday or Friday night. I don't see one practical or moral difference.

You are missing my point. I never hinted you couldn't worship on any day of the week. I just said that the Sabbath was the day that we should treat as we treat Sunday. The Sabbath should be the day we rest and worship God togather. I never said going to church or worshiping on any other day was bad or wrong.

I challenge you to show me one instance where Jesus (or Paul) instruct the NT church to worship on Saturday. You can't because the Sabbath is no longer a day of the week, but Christ, Himself.

I corinthians 7:19
19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

There is one for you. Where does he say, "Except for the Sabbath"?

Yes, you are right and 2,000 years of Christian orthodoxy is wrong.



I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It's a non-essential that Christians of good conscience have the liberty to disagree over. It is what Paul called "a disputable matter".

I don't think you serve yourself, your argument and certainly not the cause of Christ very well when you go about defending your position in such an arrogant manner.

I don't serve the cause of Christ well because I disagree with you using scripture from the bible? hmmmm.

Why the name calling? How can I be "arrogant" when I said, "I could be wrong... One day we'll all know." That doesn't sound very arrogant to me; unless your definition of arrogance is anyone who disagrees with you.

Give me scripture. Saying things like, "The Sabbath was meant to be a shadow of the coming Christ." That confuses me. How is this statement biblical? Please explain.

 

[12volt_man]

Then explain how you do this. I really want to learn. Show me.

What?

What? Why are you so upset? Why are you accusing me of judging you?

I'm not upset. I just think it's very arrogant of you to assume that those of us who accept 2,000 years of orthodox Christian teaching do so because we have "closed and biased" hearts just because we disagree with you.

I just wanted you to look at the scriptures concerning the Sabbath without any preconceived notions.

So then, what preconcieved notions do I have?

Yet the Sabbath was mentioned more than the other nine commandments.

But in what context? In what context in the New Testament is the Sabbath taught as a day that we must observe?

Scripture please.

Col 2:16-17

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.

But if it is a commandment of God, then why isn't it found anywhere in the NT? Why is it that, in Christ, we are not under the law, but you believe we're still bound to this one particular law?

Not a prophesy of the coming of Christ.

Actually, I didn't say it was a prophecy of the coming of Christ. Please don't put words in my mouth.

God made and rested on the Sabbath before there were any Jews.

But you asked specifically about Jesus and His followers.

No, not at all.

But if Saturday is the Sabbath, in your view, and you claim that Christ and His followers worshipped on the Sabbath, then shouldn't we follow their example?

You are missing my point. I never hinted you couldn't worship on any day of the week. I just said that the Sabbath was the day that we should treat as we treat Sunday. The Sabbath should be the day we rest and worship God togather. I never said going to church or worshiping on any other day was bad or wrong.

So then, we should worship on Saturday because it's the Sabbath and God commands us to worship on the Sabbath, but it's not bad if we don't?

I think you're a little confused.

Is Saturday the Sabbath or not? Are we to worship on the Sabbath or not?

I corinthians 7:19
19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

There is one for you. Where does he say, "Except for the Sabbath"?

Actually, the context of this passage has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath. It is about resolving conflicts between husbands and wives of differing traditions.

If you really want to pursue this passage, notice that the verse says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing"

This is referring to not judging a husband because he is not under the law.

You still haven't demonstrated that honoring a day as the Sabbath is a command of God to the Christian.

I don't serve the cause of Christ well because I disagree with you using scripture from the bible? hmmmm.

Actually, if you'll go back and read my post, you'll notice that I said that the arrogant and prideful way you go about presenting your argument doesn't serve the cause of Christ well, not the fact that I have used scripture.

Again, I haven't put words into your mouth. Please show me the same courtesy.

Why the name calling?

When did I call names?

How can I be "arrogant" when I said, "I could be wrong... One day we'll all know."

Actually, that's not what I was referring to and you know it.

I was referring to your insinuation that those of us who disagree with you, do so because we have "closed and biased hearts". Is it really that difficult for you to believe that those of us who side with 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy may do so because we have examined the scriptures and thought these things out for ourselves?

Give me scripture. Saying things like, "The Sabbath was meant to be a shadow of the coming Christ." That confuses me. How is this statement biblical?

The fact that it is found in the Bible makes it, by definition, "Biblical."

As I've pointed out, this is found in Col 2:16-17.

 

[Patiently waiting]

I'm not upset. I just think it's very arrogant of you to assume that those of us who accept 2,000 years of orthodox Christian teaching do so because we have "closed and biased" hearts just because we disagree with you.



So then, what preconcieved notions do I have?

The preconcieved notion that you can't possibly be incorrect because of the 2,000 year comment you made just now.

But in what context? In what context in the New Testament is the Sabbath taught as a day that we must observe?

I guess because as, I've pointed out, Jesus and his followers kept the Sabbath even after he died on the cross.

Col 2:16-17

16"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."

We've already agreed that the old covenant laws were nailed to the cross. Here he says "A Sabbath" not the Sabbath. You are aware that there were other Sabbath days that were not on Saturday in the old covenant. In the verses prior to these he was talking about how the old covenant laws were nailed to the cross. These verses simply show examples of what was nailed to the cross.

But if it is a commandment of God, then why isn't it found anywhere in the NT? Why is it that, in Christ, we are not under the law, but you believe we're still bound to this one particular law?

Sabbath keeping is found through out the gospels. I don't believe we have to follow the old covenant law. You don't believe you should follow the 10 commandments? Oh wait, thats right, you don't.

But if Saturday is the Sabbath, in your view, and you claim that Christ and His followers worshipped on the Sabbath, then shouldn't we follow their example?

Yes. That's my point.

So then, we should worship on Saturday because it's the Sabbath and God commands us to worship on the Sabbath, but it's not bad if we don't?

I think you're a little confused.

Is Saturday the Sabbath or not? Are we to worship on the Sabbath or not?

Nope, not confused. If you would read the post again, you'd see that I think we should make the day we worship and gather togather Saturday, instead of Sunday. But it's alright to worship everyday of the week. Just that we should be sure and worship and rest on Saturday.

Actually, the context of this passage has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath. It is about resolving conflicts between husbands and wives of differing traditions.

If you really want to pursue this passage, notice that the verse says "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing"

This is referring to not judging a husband because he is not under the law.

You still haven't demonstrated that honoring a day as the Sabbath is a command of God to the Christian.

That is your opinion.

When did I call names?

"Arrogant and Prideful"

I was referring to your insinuation that those of us who disagree with you, do so because we have "closed and biased hearts". Is it really that difficult for you to believe that those of us who side with 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy may do so because we have examined the scriptures and thought these things out for ourselves?

I don't know, have you? Have you read your bible and come up with your own conclusions? Or have you listened to your pastor and said, "Well he says it so it must be true."

The fact that it is found in the Bible makes it, by definition, "Biblical."

As I've pointed out, this is found in Col 2:16-17.

As I pointed out above, you've taken those verses out of context. "A Sabbath" vs. "The Sabbath". He is obviously talking about old covenant Sabbath days.

 

[12volt_man]

The preconcieved notion that you can't possibly be incorrect because of the 2,000 year comment you made just now.

As President Reagan would say, "There you go again!" As you well know, I've never said that I "couldn't possibly be incorrect", only that I stand behind my interpretation because it lines up with orthodox Christian teaching.

I guess because as, I've pointed out, Jesus and his followers kept the Sabbath even after he died on the cross.

You're ignoring my question.

We've already agreed that the old covenant laws were nailed to the cross.

Then why do you insist on resurecting them?

Here he says "A Sabbath" not the Sabbath. You are aware that there were other Sabbath days that were not on Saturday in the old covenant.

Explain.

In the verses prior to these he was talking about how the old covenant laws were nailed to the cross. These verses simply show examples of what was nailed to the cross.

So then, the Sabbath was nailed to the cross.

My point, exactly.

Sabbath keeping is found through out the gospels.

Where? Why can't you give an example?

Again, please show where we are taught in the NT to keep the Sabbath.

I don't believe we have to follow the old covenant law. You don't believe you should follow the 10 commandments? Oh wait, thats right, you don't.

Actually, I do. But why let the truth get in the way of a good smear, right?

Yes. That's my point.

So, we should follow the Sabbath, then we don't have to follow the Sabbath, then we don't...don't...now we do again?

Please make up your mind.

Nope, not confused. If you would read the post again, you'd see that I think we should make the day we worship and gather togather Saturday, instead of Sunday. But it's alright to worship everyday of the week. Just that we should be sure and worship and rest on Saturday.

But why, when Paul says that we don't have to honor one day over another and not to let others judge us over what days we honor?

That is your opinion.

Yes, it is my opinion. Since it is an opinion borne out by study and agreed with by most Bible scholars, I stand by it.

Why don't you parse this passage for me to show me where I've gone wrong?

"Arrogant and Prideful"

Those aren't names, those are observations of your behavior.

I don't know, have you? Have you read your bible and come up with your own conclusions? Or have you listened to your pastor and said, "Well he says it so it must be true."

Actually, I studied the Bible for eighteen years and have been under several different pastors of varying beliefs.

If you've ever attended my church, then you also know that one of the chief sources of amusement of the men in our church are the debates (all good natured, of course) that the pastor and I get into.

I'm also one of the guys who instituted "Stump the Pastor", specifically to give the members the opportunity to disagree with him.

As I pointed out above, you've taken those verses out of context. "A Sabbath" vs. "The Sabbath". He is obviously talking about old covenant Sabbath days.

Actually, he's not. He specifically uses the word, "Sabbaton", which is defined as the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work.

 

[Patiently waiting]

You're ignoring my question.

What question am I ignoring?

Then why do you insist on resurecting them?

I'm not. The 10 commandments are still valid. The old covenant laws written on paper are no longer valid.

Where? Why can't you give an example?

Ok, here are a few.

Mark 1
21They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach.

Mark 2
27Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Mark 6
1Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. 2When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.

Luke 4
16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom.

Luke 4
31Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath began to teach the people.

Luke 23
56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

And

Acts 13
42As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath.

Acts 13
44On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.

Acts 17
2As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18
4Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

And there are more. What do you say about these verses? God made the Sabbath for us before there were any Jews.

Genesis 2
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

So don't say it's only for the Jews.

There are examples of Sabbath keeping throughout the old and new testament, even after Jesus' death it was kept. Why take two or three verses and try to remove a whole commandment?

Actually, I do. But why let the truth get in the way of a good smear, right?

So you do keep the fourth commandment? Then we agree?

So, we should follow the Sabbath, then we don't have to follow the Sabbath, then we don't...don't...now we do again?

Please make up your mind.

I've been consistant, you've just misunderstood me. For the last time, I think we should observe the sabbath, but it's ok to worship on other days; As long as you make sure to keep the Sabbath.

But why, when Paul says that we don't have to honor one day over another and not to let others judge us over what days we honor?

Maybe you're misinterpreting it. It looks like according to scripture, Paul even kept it.

Those aren't names, those are observations of your behavior.

Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

 

[12volt_man]

What question am I ignoring?

Where in the NT is it taught that we are to keep the Sabbath and in what context is this taught?

I'm not. The 10 commandments are still valid. The old covenant laws written on paper are no longer valid.

You do. You say that the Old Covenant has been nailed to the cross, but then you insist that we are bound to observe a day of the week as the Sabbath, rather than Christ, who is now our Sabbath under the New Covenant.

Ok, here are a few.

Mark 1
21They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach.

Mark 6
1Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. 2When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.

Luke 4
16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom.

Luke 4
31Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath began to teach the people.

Luke 23
56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

And

Acts 13
42As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath.

Acts 13
44On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.

Acts 17
2As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18
4Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

OK. Now that you've established that Jews observe the Sabbath, a fact that I wan't aware was in dispute, please show where Christians under the New Covenant are commanded to keep the Old Covenant Sabbath.

And there are more. What do you say about these verses? God made the Sabbath for us before there were any Jews.

Yes, He made the Sabbath to be a shadow of the coming Christ but you ignore the fact that Christ has come and is now our Sabbath.

So don't say it's only for the Jews.

Why not? The Bible tells us that Christians aren't bound by the law. The only people I see being taught to observe the OT Sabbath are Jews.

Mark 2
27Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

You really need to read these things before you post them. Not only does this verse not teach that we are to observe the OT Sabbath, it's a perfect example (in fact, I even quoted it earlier) of the fact that Christ has come and we are no longer bound to the shadow of the Sabbath, but we find our rest in Christ.

There are examples of Sabbath keeping throughout the old and new testament, even after Jesus' death it was kept.

I know this may be a bit of a shock to you but Jews observe the Sabbath. This doesn't mean that we are commanded to observe the OT Sabbath anymore than we are commanded to offer up burnt offerings.

So you do keep the fourth commandment?

I do not observe a day as the Sabbath. Christ is our Sabbath.

I've been consistant, you've just misunderstood me. For the last time, I think we should observe the sabbath, but it's ok to worship on other days; As long as you make sure to keep the Sabbath.

So then, you believe that the Bible teaches that we are to observe the OT Sabbath, but if you don't, that's OK, too?

Are there any other teachings of scripture that you believe we can ignore?

Maybe you're misinterpreting it.

Again, nearly every Bible scholar alive and 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy are wrong, but you're right?

It looks like according to scripture, Paul even kept it.

He probably did.

Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

No, they're two different things.

 

[Patiently waiting]

12volt_man,

I choose to observe the only day our Lord told us to "remember" despite you telling me to forget it. I knew you would pull the "Jew card" eventually.

Despite our differences on the Sabbath, I do respect you as a fellow christian and I do agree with you on most issues. Maybe one day we can discuss who was right in a much much better place.

God bless.

 

[12volt_man]

12volt_man,

I choose to observe the only day our Lord told us to "remember" despite you telling me to forget it.

And I choose to observe Christ, who is now our Sabbath.

I knew you would pull the "Jew card" eventually.

Excuse me?

Despite our differences on the Sabbath, I do respect you as a fellow christian and I do agree with you on most issues.

So, let me get this straight: three or four times in this thread, you've attributed statements to me that I never said, nor believe, for the express purpose of misrepresenting my position to others reading this thread and now you insinuate that I'm a racist?

You have a pretty twisted idea of "respect".

 

[Patiently waiting]

Excuse me?"

I didn't mean you are a racist.

Must you misinterpret everything you read???



Geeez!!!

 

[kissybug27]

To the two guys fighting above me I ask...........Do you really think God wants you fighting over Him.......No He doesn't. This is a subject that has been argued for years and years and years and has never been proven on either side. The fact is is that when two people read the bible they may get completely different meanings from it. Doesn't mean one is wrong and one is right but means that maybe God tells each person different things throughout the bible. And I'm sure that there are bible verses that neither of you have found on the subject yet. I don't know what the answer is maybe someday God will enlighten me on the subject but until then I will serve God everyday and will continue to go to church when the church I go to has service. I have told you this in a post a few pages ago but I will say it again. What is important to our salvation is our relationship with Christ. That is what is important to God. Our relationship with Christ shows our loyalty and love for Him. I honestly don't think God cares about a day of the week but cares about the fact that we come to worship Him. That is what is important.

In this day and time with everything that is going on in our world why is it that the family of Christ is constantly at war with itself. How can we expect God to hear our prayers amoung all the bickering we do with in the family. I say stop fighting and agree to disagree. Come together in prayer and work on your relationship with Christ.

P.S. For the people that believe that Saturday is the true sabbath you need to do some research on how much our calendar has changed over the last two thousand years. With all the days they have added and taken away and the hours they have added and taken away how do we know exactly what day is the true sabbath. If they added and removed days but still kept the sabbath on saturday well then they have negated the true sabbath ..............its like saying night beings 3 hours before the sun goes down. In my head that makes since I don't if you will get it but I do.

 

[dlamberth]

To the two guys fighting above me I ask...........Do you really think God wants you fighting over Him.......No He doesn't. This is a subject that has been argued for years and years and years and has never been proven on either side. The fact is is that when two people read the bible they may get completely different meanings from it. Doesn't mean one is wrong and one is right but means that maybe God tells each person different things throughout the bible. And I'm sure that there are bible verses that neither of you have found on the subject yet. I don't know what the answer is maybe someday God will enlighten me on the subject but until then I will serve God everyday and will continue to go to church when the church I go to has service. I have told you this in a post a few pages ago but I will say it again. What is important to our salvation is our relationship with Christ. That is what is important to God. Our relationship with Christ shows our loyalty and love for Him. I honestly don't think God cares about a day of the week but cares about the fact that we come to worship Him. That is what is important.

In this day and time with everything that is going on in our world why is it that the family of Christ is constantly at war with itself. How can we expect God to hear our prayers amoung all the bickering we do with in the family. I say stop fighting and agree to disagree. Come together in prayer and work on your relationship with Christ.

P.S. For the people that believe that Saturday is the true sabbath you need to do some research on how much our calendar has changed over the last two thousand years. With all the days they have added and taken away and the hours they have added and taken away how do we know exactly what day is the true sabbath. If they added and removed days but still kept the sabbath on saturday well then they have negated the true sabbath ..............its like saying night beings 3 hours before the sun goes down. In my head that makes since I don't if you will get it but I do.

You Christians crack me up sometimes. Here a nice article is presented how the family of Christ is constantly at war with itself but that there should be unity in Christ instead of conflict........Than in the same breath, the post ends by feeding fuel to the fire that keeps the war going and conflict between Christians alive. Sheesh!!!

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[kissybug27]

You Christians crack me up sometimes. Here a nice article is presented how the family of Christ is constantly at war with itself but that there should be unity in Christ instead of conflict........Than in the same breath, the post ends by feeding fuel to the fire that keeps the war going and conflict between Christians alive. Sheesh!!!

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No I was just making the point that before you make an arguement you should research every corner of what you are arguing before you tell someone they are wrong. Im not saying either is wrong or right because I dont know.

 

[dlamberth]

No I was just making the point that before you make an arguement you should research every corner of what you are arguing before you tell someone they are wrong.

Which is exactly what fuels the argument because those on both sides of the issue feel that they have researched every corner.

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[kissybug27]

Well its evident that they havent otherwise they wouldnt be arguing cause they would eventually come to the same place. My main point is dont argue over God ......I really don't think He likes it very much.

 

[Bradford]

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[noco]

Thank you.

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