Drawn up analogies and illustrations do not necessarily mean that he did not believe in a literal eventual restoration of Israel. In spite all this, he believed that Israel had been chosen of God to be His representative nation which is why he may not have committed himself to replacement theology unlike many others in hi sday. In putting the two citations together, worst case scenario would be that he was not consistent in his eschatology or his views regarding Israel.
What Larkin describes in theory, Wikipedia declares as fact. They are not consistent with one another in that regards and the description of Ribera's Eschatology does not entirely reflect that of most Dispensationalists today, nor did it necessarily reflect that of the second century church fathers.
A mystery?If both are wrong, what is the truth?
A mystery?
i.e. unknown , hidden, not revealed.
What Larkin describes in theory, Wikipedia declares as fact. They are not consistent with one another in that regards and the description of Ribera's Eschatology does not entirely reflect that of most Dispensationalists today, nor did it necessarily reflect that of the second century church fathers.
Paul isn't charging the Gentiles with blasphemy........pre 70AD
Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring 24 'For the name of the God is being blasphemed in the Nations because of ye,
[Psalm 74:10]
James didn't blame the Gentiles for Jesus' murder.....pre 70AD
James 5:6 Ye condemn, ye Murder<5407> the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.
And received their due recompense in 70Ad.......
Revelation 9:21 And not they repent/reform out of their murders<5408>, nor out from their sorceries,...........
That is just plain wrong and deceitful!..........It is referring to Jesus the Christ!I do not know what version of scripture you are quoting this passage from, but in the Geneva and King James, the righteous is presented in a more generalized context rather than just one person, plus the verses preceding the cited passage make clear that the charges of wickedness stated by James were not against the Jewish people as a whole but against those of the upper classes who were corrupt, dishonest, and even condemned and killed the innocent.
Nothing to do with the Jews, but events yet to come that did not happen in 70 A.D.
If Augustine believed in a national restoration of Israel, what Scriptural adjectives would he use to describe it?
If both are wrong, what is the truth?
That is just plain wrong and deceitful..........
I notice a lot of Futurists and Dispensationalist lean toward those archaic versions.
I believe mis-translations could be the main cause of the rifts between Preterists/Amills and Futurists/Dispensationaltists
The expression "may be said" can mean either fact or theory.
Larkin considered the historical evidence to be fact, as he did not present any counter evidence.
Same with Wikipedia.
Larkin considered the possibility that the basis for Modern Dispensationalism did not originate with Ribera
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Paul isn't charging the Gentiles with blasphemy........pre 70AD
Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring 24 'For the name of the God is being blasphemed in the Nations because of ye,
[Psalm 74:10]
James didn't blame the Gentiles for Jesus' murder.....pre 70AD
James 5:6 Ye condemn, ye Murder<5407> the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.
And received their due recompense in 70Ad.......
Revelation 9:21 And not they repent/reform out of their murders<5408>, nor out from their sorceries,...........
Contenders Edge said: ↑
I do not know what version of scripture you are quoting this passage from, but in the Geneva and King James, the righteous is presented in a more generalized context rather than just one person, plus the verses preceding the cited passage make clear that the charges of wickedness stated by James were not against the Jewish people as a whole but against those of the upper classes who were corrupt, dishonest, and even condemned and killed the innocent.
Nothing to do with the Jews, but events yet to come that did not happen in 70 A.D.
That is just plain wrong and deceitful!..........It is referring to Jesus the Christ!
That particular word you pointed out, G1342, is in the Masculine Singular, and a few versions actually render it "righteous man" [tho the word "man" is not in the text, but rather implied because of the gender] including the popular NASB
New American Standard Bible
You have condemned and put to death the righteous man; he does not resist you.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
You have condemned--you have murdered--the righteous man; he does not resist you.
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YLT)
Mat 10:41 - he who is receiving a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive a prophet's reward, and he who is receiving a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, shall receive a righteous man's reward,
Mar 6:20 - for Herod was fearing John, knowing him a man righteous and holy, and was keeping watch over him, and having heard him, was doing many things, and hearing him gladly.
Act 3:14 - and ye the Holy and Righteous One did deny, and desired a man -- a murderer -- to be granted to you,
Act 22:14 - and he said, The God of our fathers did choose thee beforehand to know His will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear a voice out of his mouth,
Rom 3:26 - for the shewing forth of His righteousness in the present time, for His being righteous, and declaring him righteous who is of the faith of Jesus.
Tit 1:8 - but a lover of strangers, a lover of good men, sober-minded, righteous, kind, self-controlled,
Jas 5:6 - ye did condemn -- ye did murder the righteous one, he doth not resist you.
1Jo 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, that ye may not sin: and if any one may sin, an advocate we have with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one,
Well, let's just take a look at what was said to them:Contenders Edge said: ↑
the charges of wickedness stated by James were not against the Jewish people as a whole but against those of the upper classes who were corrupt, dishonest, and even condemned and killed the innocent.
Nothing to do with the Jews, but events yet to come that did not happen in 70 A.
He stated "in its present form", referenced only Ribera, and expounded only upon Ribera.
He mentioned no one else.
Now with the internet, one can look up vast online resources for both Hebrew and Greek studies.And those so-called archaic versions were not likely produced by futurist leaning translators but by Preterist minded translators, but in either case, a consultation of the Greek might reveal an understandable explanation as to why they translated that passage the way they did.
Ribera may have been a plausible possibility, and perhaps more plausible than other sources from Larkin's perspective, but not necessarily a sure thing.
It was the surest thing to Larkin.
So sure that he mentioned no alternative.
Continued..........Interesting article I just found.........
Supersessionism Hard and Soft | David Novak
Well, let's just take a look at what was said to them:
Matthew 3:7 Yet seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism, he said to them,
“Brood of vipers! Who intimates to ye to be fleeing from the being about<3195> wrath?
Luke 3:7 Then he said to the throngs going out to be baptized by him,
“Brood of vipers! Who intimates to ye to be fleeing from the being about wrath?
Matthew 12:34 “Brood of vipers! How ye are being able good to be speaking being wicked? For out of the super abundance of the heart the mouth is speaking.
Any idea why Jesus used this particular word "gehenna"? Do you think they knew what Jesus meant?
Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread
Matthew 23:33 “Serpents! brood of vipers!
ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna<1067>?!
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Luke 23:30
"Then they shall be saying to the mountains<3735> 'be falling upon us!' and to the hills 'cover us!'". [Hosea 10:8][Matthew 24:15]
Revelation 6:
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” [Hosea 10:8 Luke 23:30]
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest/anapausin <372> day and night [Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]
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I would recommend to converted Jews that they read this Covenantle parable in Luke 16 in relation to the Covenantle book of Revelation
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Luke 16:24
And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
that I am being anguished in this Flame."
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Reve 18:16 "woe! woe! THE GREAT CITY arrayed with PURPLE AND FINE LINEN / JERUSALEM 70AD?
Luke 16:19 A certain Man/Judah/High Priest was rich and clothed in purple and fine linen making-merry down to a-day, shiningly<2988> [Matt 22:11/Revelation 18:7]
2 verses in Revelation
The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19
King Ahab and Queen Jezebel
Revelation 2:20
But I am having against thou much.
That thou suffer the Woman/Wife of thee, Jezebel, the One saying herself a prophetess to be
and She is teaching and deceiving My bond-slaves to prostitute and to be eating idol-sacrifices.
Revelation 18:
7 ‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much, be giving to Her torment and sorrow. That in Her heart She is saying: 'I am sitting a Queen, and a Widow not I am being, and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'
12 Cargo of gold and silver, and precious stone and pearl and fine linen and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyne wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood and brass and iron and marble
16 and saying, Woe! woe! the great City, that was having been arrayed with fine linen and purple, and scarlet, and have been gilded in gold and precious stone and pearls,
That to one hour was desolated<2049> the so much riches.
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