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Featured THE TRUE "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM" OF THE BIBLE

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Sep 25, 2019.

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  1. jgr

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    If Augustine believed in a national restoration of Israel, what Scriptural adjectives would he use to describe it?
     
  2. jgr

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    If both are wrong, what is the truth?
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

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    A mystery?

    i.e. unknown , hidden, not revealed.
     
  4. jgr

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    If any other dispensationalists agreed with Wikipedia, would you believe them?
     
  5. keras

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    Christians are not the "replacement of the Jews" as the chosen people. But the Bible says that Christians are added into God’s people, by reason of their faith.

    It was prophesied: Genesis 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
    Jesus came and they rejected Him:
    • Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    Apostles later confirmed:
    • Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
    • Acts 15:14-17, Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, says the Lord, who doeth all these things. KJV
    It was prophesied long ago in Amos 9:11-12 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, says the LORD that doeth this.

    Most fail to realize that it was prophesied that those "outside the camp" would become worthy to seek the Lord. Even Jesus touched on this in His parable regarding the wedding feast in Matthew 22:1-14…... For many are called, but few are chosen.

    Many Jews claim Jesus never spoke of the Jews as deserving of replacement. When this parable is shared they mock it. But, the parable of the vineyard clearly says the Jews KNEW He was talking about them. It says this in Luke 20:9-19….. What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
    • Romans 9:30-31 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
    In other words, shall we now have a problem that the unchosen Gentiles that became chosen and the chosen Israelites chose to become unchosen by blatant apostasy?
    • Romans 11:1-2 I say then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. KJV
    Paul makes a good point here. So many people say replacement theology is a lie. But as Paul makes clear in this passage, he never left his Jewish roots. The only difference between him and the lost Jews is that he chose to believe Jesus. So in actuality, God never replaced them, they left Him all on their own and now every Christian has been grafted into the ‘olive tree’ of the righteous Israel of God.
     
  6. jgr

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    The expression "may be said" can mean either fact or theory.

    Larkin considered the historical evidence to be fact, as he did not present any counter evidence.

    Same with Wikipedia.
     
  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    That is just plain wrong and deceitful!..........It is referring to Jesus the Christ!

    I notice a lot of Futurists and Dispensationalist lean toward those archaic versions you mention.

    I believe mis-translations could be the main cause of the rifts between Preterists/Amills and Futurists/Dispensationaltists

    When someone puts up a verse, especially a "controversial" one, I generally go to the Greek Texts and/or an interlinear, along with checking different versions to see how they compare to the Greek......

    That particular word you pointed out, G1342, is in the Masculine Singular, and a few versions actually render it "righteous man" [tho the word "man" is not in the text, but rather implied because of the gender] including the popular NASB

    New American Standard Bible
    You have condemned and put to death the righteous man; he does not resist you.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible

    You have condemned--you have murdered--the righteous man; he does not resist you.
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    Now let's look at where that particular form of the Greek word is used elsewhere.

    Jam 5:6 κατεδικάσατε1, ἐφονεύσατε2 τὸν δίκαιον. οὐκ ἀντιτάσσεται3 ὑμῖν.
    1. καταδικάζω, verb, condemn (5-0)
    2. φονεύω, verb, kill, do murder, slay (12-0)
    3. ἀντιτάσσω, verb, resist, oppose ones self (5-0)
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    Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

    G1342 (YLT)
    δίκαιον — 18x G1342 δίκαιος
    T-R

    Occurrences: 8 times in 8 verses
    Speech: Adjective
    Parsing: Accusative Masculine Singular
    δίκαιον

    YLT)
    Mat 10:41 - he who is receiving a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive a prophet's reward, and he who is receiving a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, shall receive a righteous man's reward,

    Mar 6:20 - for Herod was fearing John, knowing him a man righteous and holy, and was keeping watch over him, and having heard him, was doing many things, and hearing him gladly.

    Act 3:14 - and ye the Holy and Righteous One did deny, and desired a man -- a murderer -- to be granted to you,

    Act 22:14 - and he said, The God of our fathers did choose thee beforehand to know His will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear a voice out of his mouth,

    Rom 3:26 - for the shewing forth of His righteousness in the present time, for His being righteous, and declaring him righteous who is of the faith of Jesus.

    Tit 1:8 - but a lover of strangers, a lover of good men, sober-minded, righteous, kind, self-controlled,

    Jas 5:6 - ye did condemn -- ye did murder the righteous one, he doth not resist you.

    1Jo 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, that ye may not sin: and if any one may sin, an advocate we have with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one,
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    James 5:6 You have condemned and murdered the righteous, who did not resist you.

    New International Version
    You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

    New Living Translation
    You have condemned and killed innocent people, who do not resist you.

    English Standard Version
    You have condemned and murdered the righteous person. He does not resist you.

    Berean Study Bible
    You have condemned and murdered the righteous, who did not resist you.

    Berean Literal Bible
    You have condemned and have put to death the righteous; he does not resist you.

    New American Standard Bible
    You have condemned and put to death the righteous man; he does not resist you.

    New King James Version
    You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

    King James Bible
    Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

    Christian Standard Bible
    You have condemned, you have murdered the righteous, who does not resist you.

    Contemporary English Version
    You have condemned and murdered innocent people, who couldn't even fight back.

    Good News Translation
    You have condemned and murdered innocent people, and they do not resist you.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    You have condemned--you have murdered--the righteous man; he does not resist you.

    International Standard Version
    You have condemned and murdered the one who is righteous, even though he did not rebel against you.

    NET Bible
    You have condemned and murdered the righteous person, although he does not resist you.

    New Heart English Bible
    You have condemned, you have murdered the righteous one. He does not resist you.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    You have condemned and murdered The Righteous One and he has not opposed you.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    You have condemned and murdered people who have God's approval, even though they didn't resist you.

    New American Standard 1977
    You have condemned and put to death the righteous man; he does not resist you.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    Ye have condemned and murdered the just, and he does not resist you.

    King James 2000 Bible
    You have condemned and killed the just; and he does not resist you

    American King James Version
    You have condemned and killed the just; and he does not resist you.

    American Standard Version
    Ye have condemned, ye have killed the righteous one ; he doth not resist you.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    You have condemned and put to death the Just One, and he resisted you not.

    Darby Bible Translation
    ye have condemned, ye have killed the just; he does not resist you.

    English Revised Version
    Ye have condemned, ye have killed the righteous one; he doth not resist you.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

    Weymouth New Testament
    You have condemned--you have murdered-- the righteous man: he offers no resistance.

    World English Bible
    You have condemned, you have murdered the righteous one. He doesn't resist you.

    Young's Literal Translation
    ye did condemn -- ye did murder the righteous one, he doth not resist you.
     
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  8. Contenders Edge

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    If adjectives are in reference to analogies and illustrations, Augustine did not always use such for all that he believed in; such were applied only to what he could use as analogies and illustrations and just because he did not he did not use the forthcoming restoration of Israel as an analogy or illustration does not mean that he did not believe in it.
     
  9. Contenders Edge

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    If both are wrong, then it would just mean that the basis for modern Dispensationalist theology did not originate with the Jesuit Priests. It goes back even further. The context of Larkin's remarks is presented in theory which suggests that Larkin considered the possibility that the basis for Modern Dispensationalism did not originate with Ribera and as mentioned before, if Ribera's eschatology was as Wikipedia described it, Dispensationalists would find themselves at odds with much of it.
     
  10. Contenders Edge

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    And those so-called archaic versions were not likely produced by futurist leaning translators but by Preterist minded translators, but in either case, a consultation of the Greek might reveal an understandable explanation as to why they translated that passage the way they did.
     
  11. Contenders Edge

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    Even if there was no counter evidence present, the evidence he did have may have been in and of itself not provided an entirely satisfactory conclusion and still left some questions unanswered which is why the context of Larkin's remarks in tying the basis for Modern Dispensationalism to Ribera is presented as a stated theory rather than an indisputable fact.
     
  12. jgr

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    He stated "in its present form", referenced only Ribera, and expounded only upon Ribera.

    He mentioned no one else.
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

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    Well, let's just take a look at what was said to them:


    Matthew 3:7 Yet seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism, he said to them,
    Brood of vipers! Who intimates to ye to be fleeing from the being about<3195> wrath?

    Luke 3:7 Then he said to the throngs going out to be baptized by him,
    Brood of vipers! Who intimates to ye to be fleeing from the being about wrath?

    Matthew 12:34Brood of vipers! How ye are being able good to be speaking being wicked? For out of the super abundance of the heart the mouth is speaking.

    Any idea why Jesus used this particular word "gehenna"? Do you think they knew what Jesus meant?

    Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

    Matthew 23:33Serpents! brood of vipers!
    ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna<1067>?!


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    Luke 23:30
    "Then they shall be saying to the mountains<3735> 'be falling upon us!' and to the hills 'cover us!'". [Hosea 10:8][Matthew 24:15]

    Revelation 6:
    16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” [Hosea 10:8 Luke 23:30]

    Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest/anapausin <372> day and night [Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]
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    I would recommend to converted Jews that they read this Covenantle parable in Luke 16 in relation to the Covenantle book of Revelation

    Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

    Luke 16:24
    And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me
    that I am being anguished in this Flame."
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    Reve 18:16 "woe! woe! THE GREAT CITY arrayed with PURPLE AND FINE LINEN / JERUSALEM 70AD?

    Luke 16:19 A certain Man/Judah/High Priest was rich and clothed in purple and fine linen making-merry down to a-day, shiningly<2988> [Matt 22:11/Revelation 18:7]

    2 verses in Revelation

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19
    King Ahab and Queen Jezebel

    Revelation 2:20
    But I am having against thou much.
    That thou suffer the Woman/Wife of thee, Jezebel, the One saying herself a prophetess to be
    and She is teaching and deceiving My bond-slaves to prostitute and to be eating idol-sacrifices.

    Revelation 18:
    7 ‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much, be giving to Her torment and sorrow. That in Her heart She is saying: 'I am sitting a Queen, and a Widow not I am being, and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'
    12 Cargo of gold and silver, and precious stone and pearl and fine linen and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyne wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood and brass and iron and marble
    16 and saying, Woe! woe! the great City, that was having been arrayed with fine linen and purple, and scarlet, and have been gilded in gold and precious stone and pearls,
    That to one hour was desolated<2049> the so much riches.
     
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  14. Contenders Edge

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    Ribera may have been a plausible possibility, and perhaps more plausible than other sources from Larkin's perspective, but not necessarily a sure thing.
     
  15. LittleLambofJesus

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    Now with the internet, one can look up vast online resources for both Hebrew and Greek studies.

    That aside, here are some more verses transalated pretty much word for word from the Greek concerning the 70Ad parousia shown in Revelation:

    You can compare these to the KJV and Geneva Bible you and BABerean2 use.

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

    Matthew 24:3
    Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us! when shall these be being? and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-consummation<4930> of the Age?

    Luke 21:31 Kingdom of God comes

    Luke 21:31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these-things becoming ye are knowing that nigh<1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

    Romans 13:
    11 And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused, for now nearer<1452> of us the Salvation than when we believed.
    12 The Night progresses, the yet Day is nigh<1448>.
    We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

    James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia<3952> of the Lord has-neared<1448>

    1 Peter 4:7 "THE END OF ALL THINGS IS NIGH AT HAND"

    1 Peter 4:7 Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
    be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,
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    Matthew 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation, the being declared thru Daniel the Prophet having-stood in a place, holy (the one-reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be minding/understanding<3539>" [Mark 13:14 Revelation 1:3]

    Revelation 1:1
    An-unveiling of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him, which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
    Revelation 1:3
    Revelation 1:3 Happy/blessed the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written
    That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

    Revelation 22:6
    And said to me: "These the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servants of Him which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
    Revelation 22:10
    And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
    That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>
     
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  16. jgr

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    It was the surest thing to Larkin.

    So sure that he mentioned no alternative.
     
  17. LittleLambofJesus

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    Interesting article I just found.........

    Supersessionism Hard and Soft | David Novak

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    Supersessionism describes the theological conviction that the Christian Church has superseded the Jewish people, assuming their role as God’s covenanted people, Israel. At first glance, supersessionism seems to be a core Christian belief, making any fruitful dialogue between Jews and Christians impossible since it seems to entail the Christian replacement of the Jewish people as God’s covenant partner.
    But on closer examination, there are two kinds of supersessionism: one “hard,” and the other “soft.” The former does indeed prevent dialogue. The latter, however, does not.

    Hard or maximal supersessionism asserts that God has elected Christians to displace the Jews in the covenant between God and His people. Christianity is taken to be Judaism’s necessarily total successor or “fulfillment.” For hard supersessionists, the only option for Jews is conversion to Christianity. This means an abandonment of Judaism. Hard supersessionism of this sort kills Jewish-Christian dialogue before it even starts. Jews faithful to the Jewish tradition cannot accept this categorical dismissal of Judaism’s theological validity.

    Christian proponents of hard supersession regard the recent, more positive Jewish-Christian relationship as regrettable. For example, some traditionalist Catholics would like to downplay and even set aside the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, especially Nostra Aetate, which affirms that God’s covenant with the Jewish people has not been superseded but is forever valid. The full theological implication of this bold new teaching still needs to be worked out by Catholic theologians, but, at the very least, it rules out hard supersessionism.

    Hard supersessionism is not an exclusively Christian problem. Many Jews also reject the theological validity of the new Jewish-Christian relationship. Their hard supersessionism is the inverse of the Christian version. This Jewish position holds not that Christianity has superseded Judaism; instead, it is Judaism that has superseded Christianity. But how could that be? Didn’t Judaism come before Christianity?

    Jewish hard supersessionists answer by pointing to a theological sequence rather than a temporal one. They identify Christianity with the pagan or idolatrous practices that Judaism overcame. At the Passover seder, when Jews celebrate our call to covenantal status, we assert, “Our ancestors were originally idolaters, Terah the father of Abraham, etc.” In other words, for Jewish hard supersessionists, Christianity is not progressive in relation to its Jewish origin. Instead, Christianity regresses to the pagan or idolatrous past that Judaism has superseded. One of the great debates among medieval Jewish theologians was whether Christianity is a true monotheism (albeit one inferior to Judaism), or whether Christianity is the old Gentile idolatry revived. Jewish hard supersessionists opt for the latter view, often deeming Christian doctrines such as the doctrine of the Trinity to be polytheistic. It follows, therefore, that Jews who hold this hard supersessionism are often vociferous opponents of contemporary Jewish-Christian dialogue. (In his rejection of Jewish-Christian dialogue, Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik was, in some regards, this kind of hard supersessionist.) As the French say, les extrêmes se touchent.

    Whereas Christian hard supersessionists cannot deny that Christianity has Jewish roots, Jewish hard supersessionists can assert that Judaism has no connection to Christianity whatsoever. Christians cannot deny their origin in Judaism however much they might claim to have superseded Judaism. By contrast, Jews can ignore Christianity, treating it as a regrettable and theologically regressive offshoot of Judaism. Proof of this is how little Christianity was taken into consideration by Jews living under Islam in earlier centuries.

    to be continued......................
     
  18. Contenders Edge

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    But still left himself open to the possibility that the basis for modern Dispensationalism may have arisen elsewhere. If he didn't, he would have stated Ribera as a matter of fact instead of in theory, but that he mentioned him in theory suggests that it was not full proof. We may not know the faults in the "Ribera" theory---Larkin does not tell us---but when the context of a remark is presented in theory instead of fact, then it should be taken to mean that no matter the likelihood that it may qualify as a fact, there is still room for other possibilities to present themselves upon further research and discoveries.

    Ribera may be labeled a suspected source for modern Dispensationalism, but that does not mean he is the source of it. What would disqualify him as the originating source is that modern Dispensationalists would object to much of his eschatology, that is if the Wikipedia article has given a truthful and accurate description of it.
     
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    David Novak holds the J. Richard and Dorothy Shiff Chair of Jewish Studies at the University of Toronto.
    Continued..........

    Things are different today. Jews need to take Christianity into consideration. In the West, Jews and Christians have been interacting for two thousand years. For most of those centuries, the interaction has been largely negative; of late, though, it has become more positive. For the past fifty years or so, both Jews and Christians have had to confront a common enemy, militant secularism, whose anti-Christian stance involves a public rejection of the most Jewish aspect of Christianity. Today’s secularism is hostile to the moral commandments of the Torah, norms affirmed by both Christians and Jews. In a real sense, the militant secularist ideology claims to supersede both Judaism and Christianity, insisting it has the sole right to legislate public morality.

    Traditional Jews and Christians who affirm God’s moral law as authoritative are not thereby engaging in a kind of syncretism that denies the considerable theological differences between Judaism and Christianity. The fact that there is a Judeo-Christian morality does not mean there is a Judeo-Christian religion. But we are lumped together by the secularist who imagines that humanity has “progressed” beyond divine authority and biblical morality. We are united in rejecting this secular supersessionism.

    In any realistic dialogue, Jews cannot expect Christians to jettison supersessionism altogether. A complete denial of supersessionism leaves Christians unable to affirm Christianity as having brought something new and fuller to the ancient covenant between God and Israel. Without some kind of supersessionism, Christians have no cogent reason for not going back to their Jewish origins.
    Without some kind of supersessionism on our part, Jews like me would have no cogent reason for not going forward into what Christians regard as Judaism’s fulfillment.


    It is important to see that the supersessionism that remains necessary stands as an inner Christian and an inner Jewish matter. That is, Christians need to be able to answer to themselves why they ought to remain Christian and not become Jewish; and we Jews need from time to time to be able to explain to ourselves why we remain Jewish and do not become Christian. Since Jews and Christians live in such close proximity, answering these questions can be a practical and not just a theoretical imperative.

    This inner supersessionism seeks to answer the Christian’s question of why a Christian should not become Jewish and a Jew’s question about why a Jew should not become Christian. As such, it is quite different from hard supersessionism, which gives external answers to others, telling them what they should become, not explaining why they are what they are. Christian hard supersessionism tells Jews that they must become Christian in order to be in covenant with God, and Jewish hard supersessionism tells Christians that they must renounce Christianity to avoid being idolatrous pagans. Needless to say, this forecloses the possibility of true dialogue, for it presupposes that the other must renounce his deepest theological commitments at the outset.

    How, then, can Christians speak about fulfillment—as they must—and still remain in dialogue with Jews? This can be done through what might be called “soft” or minimal supersessionism. In this view, Christianity brings something new (a novum testamentum) to the covenant between God and Israel.
    That does not mean, though, that Christians must see Jews set aside or replaced, any more than new tenants who have built upon the first story of a house must displace the original tenants on the main floor, even if the original tenants do not want to move upstairs with them..............................

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    James chapter 5 does not tell us whether his charges are directed just to the religious establishment although the charges brought against the wealthy certainly apply to them.
    The charges brought against the people trusting in their wealth is contextually generalized.
     
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