origen pointed this out to me one time. that job did sin against God in his mind. but now I have a feeling that this is teaching something that I did not know before. it appears that job charged God with wrong in his mind ( I mean that his soul had a wrong perception about who God was and that was considered a sin). this is amazing. I have been talking about that God is good only.
Job 1:22 (ESV)
(1:22) In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.
Job 2:10 (ESV)
(2:10) But he said to her, You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this Job did not sin with his lips.
i don't know anything for sure because I am not wise enough and I don't understand what woman means like maybe some of you do. Job says "Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?
it looks like this was jobs sin to me. I don't know if he said anything to this woman with his tongue and i don't think he did but i don't know how to prove it for certain so it is just a theory. it looks like he accused God of giving people evil. my theory is that God does not directly give evil to men but job seems to be thinking that God does give bad gifts to men. I believe that the scriptures say that God gives only good things but sometimes mankind turns His gifts into evil. and I think that is why we can not accuse God of making us into a bad pot because He was only trying to make us good and not evil but we became evil of our own free will. I believe the word says that God does not give evil to people.
this is based on "only God is good" and "God is Love" and that the spiritual meaning is harder to understand that how the literal looks. so i want to try to learn more about this and see if it is correct. if you would learn about free will and how God says He sometimes hardens peoples hearts then you will have a firmer grasp about what I mean that God does not give evil to people.
please someone explain to me more what the spiritual meaning of woman is.
The woman Job spoke to was his wife.(Job 2:9, 10, though there is a spiritual "woman" as at Isaiah 54 and 60, Revelation 12) Earlier, after having been unknowingly attacked by Satan, causing both the loss of his sons and daughters and his livestock, Job was feeling such the depth of loss, especially his children, that he ripped his sleeveless coat apart and cut the hair off his head and falling to the earth, saying: "Naked I came out of my mothers belly, and naked shall I return there. Jehovah himself has given, and Jehovah himself has taken away. Let the name of Jehovah continue to be blessed."(Job 1:21,
New World Translation)
Satan wanted Job to curse Jehovah God, with him blasphemously telling God: "Have not you yourself put up a hedge about him and about his house and about everything that he has all around? The work of his hands you have blessed, and his livestock itself has spread abroad in the earth. But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch everything he has [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.(Job 1:10, 11)
However, though losing most everything, including his children, "Job did not sin or ascribe anything improper to God."(Job 1:22) Satan now sought to exert ever greater pressure on Job to curse God, to relinquish his integrity. An issue has now arose
again, that of
sovereignty, whether Job will cede to Satan and his rulership or maintain his integrity to Jehovah God.
This issue, of God's right to establish moral boundaries for his creation, was challenged by Satan in the Garden of Eden some 2, 500 years earlier.(Gen 3:4, 5) At that time, Eve took the bait and literally the fruit from the "tree of knowledge of good and bad", that neither Adam nor Eve were permitted to even touch.(Gen 3:1-3, 6)
To exert greater pressure on Job to break his integrity, Satan now went before Jehovah God, with God asking Satan: "Just where do you come from?. Satan responds: "From roving about in the earth and from walking about in it. Jehovah is well aware that Satan has his eye upon Job again, for Job had not failed in his loyalty to God despite all his loses of both family and livestock.
Hence Jehovah now says: "Have you set your heart upon my servant Job, that there is no one like him in the earth, a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad? Even yet he is
holding fast his integrity, although you incite me against him to swallow him up without cause."(Job 2:1-3)
Satan now brings the issue to a head, extending to
everyone on the face of the earth, telling Jehovah: "Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that
a man (not just Job) has he will give in behalf of his soul. For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.(Job 2:4, 5)
Now the issue of
universal sovereignty has now been placed upon
all mankind by Satan, as to whether anyone will establish and maintain his integrity to God or give it up "in behalf of his soul" or life. Jesus said: "If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and continually follow me.
For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it."(Matt 16:24, 25)
It is evident that the spirit son who became Satan knew Jehovah as a God of moral standards, not as a capricious, erratic person. Had he known Jehovah as a God given to uncontrolled, violent outbursts, he could only have expected immediate, on-the-spot extermination for the course he took.
The issue Satan raised in Eden, therefore, was not simply a test of Jehovahs mightiness or power to destroy. Rather, it was a
moral issue: that of Gods moral right to exercise universal sovereignty and require implicit obedience and devotion of all of his creatures in all places. Satans approach to Eve reveals this. (Gen 3:1-6)
Likewise, the book of Job relates how Jehovah God brings out into the open before all his assembled angelic sons the extent of the position taken by his Adversary. Satan made the claim that the loyalty of Job (and, by implication, of any of Gods intelligent creatures) toward Jehovah was not wholehearted, not based on true devotion and genuine love.(Job 1:6-22; 2:1-8)
Thus, the question of integrity on the part of Gods intelligent creatures was a secondary, or subsidiary, issue arising out of the primary issue of Gods right to universal sovereignty. These questions would require time in order for the veracity or falsity of the charges to be demonstrated, for the heart attitude of Gods creatures to be proved, and thus for the issue to be settled beyond any doubt. (Compare Job 23:10; 31:5, 6; Ec 8:11-13; Heb 5:7-9)
Jehovah thus did not immediately execute the rebellious human pair nor the spirit son who raised the issue, and so the two foretold seeds,
representing opposite sides of the issue, would come into existence.(Gen 3:15)
That this issue still remained alive when Jesus Christ was on earth is seen from his confrontation with Satan in the wilderness after Jesus 40-day fast. The serpentlike tactics employed by Jehovahs Adversary in his temptation efforts toward Gods Son followed the pattern seen in Eden some 4,000 years earlier, and Satans offer of rulership over earthly kingdoms made clear that the issue of universal sovereignty had
not changed. (Matt 4:1-10)
The book of Revelation reveals the continuance of the issue down until the time when Jehovah God declares the case closed (compare Ps 74:10, 22, 23) and executes righteous judgment upon all opposers, by his righteous Kingdom rule bringing complete vindication and sanctification to his holy name.(Re 11:17, 18; 12:17; 14:6, 7)