The time of Jesus' coming?

[woobadooba]

I wanted to post this in other forums, but because of their view on the nature of the state of the dead, they wouldn't understand it...

But there's something that I find to be very interesting in the book of Daniel, among other things of course.

In Daniel 12:12-13 it says, "Blessed is the one who waits for, and reaches 1,335 days. But as for you [Daniel], go on your way to the end; you will rest, then rise to your destiny at the end of the days." (HCSB)

Now, let's look at the keywords here in light of the second coming:

"Blessed is the one who waits..." This could be speaking of those who remain watchful for the coming of our Lord. Matt. 24:42, 44

"and reaches..." This could be speaking of those who "endure to the end". Rev. 14:12; Matt. 24:13

"you will rest" could be referring to the idea that Daniel will not live to see what precedes the second coming of Christ, but will rest in the grave until He returns. "rest" according to this context, could also refer to the term "asleep" as it appears in other places in the Bible as that state which refers to one who is actually dead. Lk. 8:52; Jn. 11:11; Acts 13:36; 1Cor. 11:30; 15:51; 1Thess 4:13,15 (NASB)

"rise to your destiny" and "end of the days" could be referring to the resurrection that is to take place at the second coming of Christ wherein the dead in Christ will rise to their destiny--eternal life. 1Thess. 4:16-17;

So it appears that we really have an incredible prophecy here! If we can come to understand when the 1,335 days are supposed to end, we could discover the year of Jesus' coming. Note: not the day or the hour, but the 'year'. That is, if the 1335 days is referring to this.

Interesting...

Any thoughts?

 

[Sunrunner]

Very interesting.. I'll look into this!

By the way, a quick search on bibleexplained.com brought up this.. it appears that the 1335 days are a part of the 2300 days.. the year 1843 to be exact, when everyone was extremely happy because they thought that Jesus was coming again in a year.. it's something to consider, but I'll certainly being looking into this verse still.

Blessed The word also means "happy." We see the same end-time blessing for those who die during the time of the three angels re1413.
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Waiteth and cometh They would be living at the end of this period. Notice, at the beginning of the next verse, how Daniel is addressed. His desire to understand would be theirs. They would actually receive the understanding v8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times][1335] days We have just mentioned the 1290 days. Those who wait and come to the 1335 days may be seen in contrast with those who arrive only at the end of the 1290. By a natural reading of the text, we see the same beginning point for the two periods. 1335 is 45 more than 1290. Adding 45 to 1798 brings us to 1843. This was the happy time before the disappointment in 1844. See the notes for v12.[/FONT]

 

[woobadooba]

But then we run into an exegetical problem...

For the text says: go on your way to the end; you will rest, then rise to your destiny at the end of the days." (HCSB)

According to the context it appears that the end of the days is referring to the end of the 1,335 days.

Did Daniel already rise to his destiny?

What about 1Thess. 4:16-17?

Would it be wrong to add the 1290 days to the 1335 days to get 2625, and then subtract 2300 from that to get 325, and then add 325 to 1844 to get the year 2169?

It's just a thought...

 

[Sunrunner]

"Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." Daniel 12:12-13.

It would appear that the end of the 1335 days and the end of the days mentioned in verse 13 aren't referring to the same thing. So the people who live at the end of the 1335 are blessed, but Daniel will rest until the End of Time and that is when he will have his reward.

But who knows, it may be referring to the end of the 1335 days.

It would be amazing if we had a prophecy to depict the year of Christ's Second Coming, but unfortunately I'm not seeing the evidence for it here.

We need some translation experts to figure out what "end of the days" verse 13 is referring to..

NOTE: While looking at a few different translations for this verse, I noticed a disturbing difference in some of the Bibles regarding the reference to the State of the Dead.

"But as for you, go your way to the end: then you will enter into rest" NASB

"And thou, go unto the end, then thou dost rest" Young's Literal Translation

Compared to the King James Version...

"But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of days."

The other versions make it appear as if the rest isn't death itself.

 

[woobadooba]

After searching, I have seen the "rise to your destiny" interpreted and translated as the fact that what Daniel wrote was used to help God's people during the end of that period.

Also, could you explain where you got that equation?

Well, if it's meant to be interpreted in that way, then yes, the book of Daniel would rise to its destiny in informing God's people about the significance of the time frame to which the prophecy referred. I could see how this would make sense.

The problem that I have with it however, is that the language seems to indicate that Daniel's rise to his destiny could also be referring to the second coming of Christ wherein Daniel will rise to his destiny and thus receive eternal life.

As to where I got the equation from, it just came to my mind in that way, and seemed to make sense. But then again, it may not make any sense at all, because it could very well be wrong.

I really don't know at this point. But I do intend to look into it more deeply...

 

[woobadooba]

It would appear that the end of the 1335 days and the end of the days mentioned in verse 13 aren't referring to the same thing. So the people who live at the end of the 1335 are blessed, but Daniel will rest until the End of Time and that is when he will have his reward.

I thought about this one too; and it does make sense.

The problem is that everything seems to make sense!

Anyway, it's still an interesting subject...

 

[Sunrunner]

The problem is that everything seems to make sense!

Indeed! Your original thought makes sense if the end of the days in verse 13 is referring to the 1335.

I wonder how we could find out..

Also, this is actually a good defense of the Adventist movement in Prophecy, if the view I proposed is correct. If these people were blessed, then surely God was with them, right?

 

[woobadooba]

Also, this is actually a good defense of the Adventist movement in Prophecy, if the view I proposed is correct. If these people were blessed, then surely God was with them, right?

This would make sense.

Blessed because they didn't give up when things didn't turn out right, but eventually came to understand the meaning of the prophecy perhaps.

 

[Sunrunner]

This would make sense.

Blessed because they didn't give up when things didn't turn out right, but eventually came to understand the meaning of the prophecy perhaps.

Right.

That makes sense, after looking into it, I'm pretty sure that is it.

It's still nice that we could discuss it, and I did learn some new things while looking around.

I must admit, my hopes were running high with the brief thought that we could find out the year Jesus would return.

 

[woobadooba]

Right.

That makes sense, after looking into it, I'm pretty sure that is it.

It's still nice that we could discuss it, and I did learn some new things while looking around.

I must admit, my hopes were running high with the brief thought that we could find out the year Jesus would return.

Well, I'm still not going to rule out the possibility. Like I said, I need to look into this more deeply.

I suppose the response from the Greek Scholar on what Peter meant in 1Pt. 4:17 will play a major role in all of this...

 

[Sunrunner]

Well, I can't wait to hear the fruits of your study in the future, and especially the results of this 1 Peter 4:17 issue.

 

[woobadooba]

Well, I can't wait to hear the fruits of your study in the future, and especially the results of this 1 Peter 4:17 issue.

Well, the funny thing is that if it is referring to the second coming, I'm not going to find out until the second coming

But the ideas that you have presented do seem to carry a lot of weight. So it very well may not be referring to the second coming at all, but something that has already passed.

Tall73 is pretty good with history. Maybe he could enlighten us on this one.

 

[tall73]

I will look at it ,but I am not in a thinking mood tonight. So it might be a bit.

But I will say that I am very skeptical about anything even remotely trying to predict the second coming. Seems we have had enough of that before, and I don't think it is possible.

Apart from that I will try to look at the historical part as objectively as I can. I am just being honest about my bias from the outset.

 

[woobadooba]

But I will say that I am very skeptical about anything even remotely trying to predict the second coming. Seems we have had enough of that before, and I don't think it is possible.

I hear what you're saying. However, I'm just curious as to why you would believe that it isn't possible.

 

[djconklin]

KJV Daniel
Daniel 12:12-13 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

The 1335 days ended in 1844.

"at the end of the days." = the closing period of this world's history (SDABC 4:881)

 

[woobadooba]

KJV Daniel
Daniel 12:12-13 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

The 1335 days ended in 1844.

"at the end of the days." = the closing period of this world's history (SDABC 4:881)

OK, now how do you go about proving that they ended in 1844?

Also, how do you go about proving that "of the days" isn't referring to the end of the 1335 days?