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The Thread to discuss Near Death Experiences

progressivegal

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So as not to derail the other thread, here we go.
I'm personally just starting to become interested in learning about NDE's.
My husband recently read "Embraced by the Light" and has told me a little bit about it. I definitely intend to read it myself now that he's finished, I've done a small amount of research online, and I'm intreged (
In Betty Eadie's experience, but more so just interested in NDE's in general). I probably have very little to add to the conversation at this point, so I'm mostly just interested in what others who are interested in this (especially Multi-Elis) have learned and have to say about it.
 

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I don't believe in them.
Adammi, for the sake of conversation, it would be great if you could elaborate. Do you believe that the people who say they have had NDE's are lying about them (for whatever reason), or that perhaps there's a more scientific explanation for whatever they might have seen/experienced, or perhaps that one persons experience is just that, their experience, and it doesn't speak for what every person will experience upon dying?(I personally believe the latter I think.)
 
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Well, I started reading about NDEs with the book: life after death: the evidence by Ian Wilson. He tries to find stories where there is some evidence: like when the person having the experience knows something that he/she wouldn't have any other way of knowing. Like a person has an OBE in the hospital, the nurse removes his false teeth and puts it in a drawer. Later when the person gets out of the coma, everybody is looking for the false teeth, but the patient who had the OBE knows, he saw where the nurse put it.
Since then, I have read a lot on the internet. Those who have a "heavenly" experience all say the same basic thing, even though the details are sometimes very different. Sometimes these differing details reflect cultural influences.
What many NDEs say has highly influenced my thinking, especially in regards to universalism. This is probably because of the emotional way these testimonies engage my mind. It's thanks to the NDEs that I became a heretic, (paradoxically) a philosophical agnostic, and at the same time, helped me see what was really important....
My bottom line is that one should take the NDE's message seriously but all the rest with a big grain of salt.
 
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Anyone read "Eternal Life?" by Hans Kung? He has a great section in it on NDE... basically, NDEs are triggered by a part of our brain which is triggered near death to prepare our brain for its own death. When death doesn't happen, the brain remembers this experience. The details of the experience are based on what one's brain already believed it would experience at death...

Thus, NDEs are very true on the experiential level (ie, people basically DO experience what they claim to experience) however, it can be explained by the mechanics of the brain and do not necessarily imply a spiritual experience (unless you want to be cool and claim that experiences of the brain are spiritual intrinsically speaking).
 
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Adammi

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(unless you want to be cool and claim that experiences of the brain are spiritual intrinsically speaking)
 
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I think that NDE's are real on some level higher than the brain, though I'm sure the brain is engaged in the experience to some extent. However, I also believe that the meanings of these experiences are intensely personal and can vary widely from person to person. I don't think there's much that one can learn from studying the NDE's of others, though it may well provide some emotional comfort and encouragement if one is in need of those.
 
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The most credible source for information about NDEs is the website of the International Association for Near-Death Studies at iands.org. In particular, you might want to check under the Research tab for published papers outlining new findings from the most current research, particularly the two written by Dr. Peter Fenwick and Dr. Pim Van Lommel.

During the past 30 years, NDEs have been the focus of many scientific studies at universities and medical centers throughout the U.S. and around the world. Many medical professionals who have seriously studied the research – and it is extensive – no longer dismiss this phenomenon as hallucinations, intense dreams, or caused by physiological or pharmacological factors. The best analysis of the many physiological theories that attempt to explain NDEs -- as Hans Kung, who was referred to above, and others have tried to do -- is on a DVD that has a presentation by Dr. Bruce Greyson (from the University of Virginia Medical School) titled “T3-Explanatory Models of NDEs.” It can be obtained from the website above by clicking on the Conference tab and going to the 2006 conference that was held at the University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas.

There now have been many thousands of documented cases of near-death experiences: deeply mystical, often ineffable experiences – the very essence of the religious experience. These accounts have a consistent internal structure and, cross-culturally, they reflect universal elements. That is, although no two experiences are identical, they all share at least some common elements. Just a few examples are that many experiencers have out-of body experiences (viewing their surroundings from above or outside their bodies while they are clinically dead or unconscious), meeting and communicating with mystical beings or deceased relatives, having a life review in the presence of "spiritual guides," etc.

Experiencers cut across all religious traditions including Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. Almost all report that their lives are dramatically changed after their experience, including often becoming more spiritual (almost always transforming atheists and frequently enhancing the spiritual perspectives of formerly religious people), trying to be more loving and caring, and often changing their work lives to the caring or teaching professions.

I am a member of the above association because I am interested in the topic. They keep you up-to-date with the latest NDE research along with e-mails of experiencer accounts every month.
Allen
 
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Sorry for not elaborating. I believe that there are scientific mental explanations for NDE. I also think that someone may see a light or something and embellish upon that.
Yes, that's possible. But do you think a supernatural explanation might also be possible?
 
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Thanks much for the info!
 
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I was pronounced dead many years ago after being run over. No experience. Nothing. Just like blacking out. Came too and couldn't breathe for a minute or two. (that was terrifying.)

That doesn't mean I disbelieve NDEs though. Just my experience. Others may have different experiences.
 
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