The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[Hentenza]

The case was made in the post above that said, "it reads the same in the Greek".
It is your job to prove it doesn't. You yet to do that. You seem to think any answer is the correct one. The lack of depth and unwillingness to put the time in to actually address anything seems to be the norm here.
Sadly, in this case if you had put the time in to look you would have seen what was posted was true and you would have either liked the post or moved on silently in intellectual dishonesty holding onto the false interpretation that you started with.

Be that as it may, you asked so here is the an Interlinear. We went ahead and put a bold emphasis on the words to which you question in respect to whether they were in the Greek. Beside each word is it's translation, it being a Interlinear. If you like we can talk of the grammar and syntax. But it really isn't necessary.

One can clearly see the context is uninterrupted.
Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said as was already stated to you above. And yes they are in the Greek and are for the most part translated correctly in most of our English translations.

So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels Jesus expected His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath. Because no one to whom He was speaking to is alive today to be alive at the time of the tribulation that is not like any before. This tribulation has not happened yet. How do we know?

Because Jesus said Immediately after this tribulation that is shortened so the Elect are preserved, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (vs.29-31)

Matt 24:2 ὁ δὲ But Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Οὐ βλέπετε See Ye Not πάντα All ταῦτα These Things? ἀμὴν Verily λέγω I Say ὑμῖν To You, οὐ μὴ Not At All ἀφεθῇ Shall Be Left ὧδε Here λίθος Stone ἐπὶ Upon λίθον Stone ὃς οὐ μὴ Which καταλυθήσεται Shall Not Be Thrown Down.
Matt 24:3 Καθημένου δὲ And As Was Sitting αὐτοῦ He ἐπὶ Upon τοῦ The Ὄρους Mount τῶν Ἐλαιῶν Of Olives προσῆλθον Came To αὐτῷ Him οἱ The μαθηταὶ κατ' Disciples ἰδίαν Apart, λέγοντες Saying, Εἰπὲ Tell ἡμῖν Us, πότε When ταῦτα These Things ἔσται Shall Be? καὶ And τί What 'Is' τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τῆς σῆς Of Thy παρουσίας Coming καὶ And τῆς Of The συντελείας Completion τοῦ Of The αἰῶνος Age?
Matt 24:4 καὶ And ἀποκριθεὶς Answering ὁ Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Βλέπετε Take Heed, μή Lest τις Any One ὑμᾶς You πλανήσῃ· Mislead.
Matt 24:5 πολλοὶ γὰρ For Many ἐλεύσονται Will Come ἐπὶ In τῷ ὀνόματί μου My Name, λέγοντες, Saying, Ἐγώ I εἰμι Am ὁ The Χριστός, Christ; καὶ And πολλοὺς Many πλανήσουσιν They Will Mislead.
Matt 24:6 μελλήσετε δὲ But Ye Shall Be About ἀκούειν To Hear Of πολέμους Wars καὶ And ἀκοὰς Rumours πολέμων· Of Wars. ὁρᾶτε μὴ See, θροεῖσθε· Be Not Disturbed; δεῖ γὰρ For It Is Necessary All 'These' πάντα Things γενέσθαι To Take Place, ἀλλ' But οὔπω Not Yet ἐστὶν Is τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:7 ἐγερθήσεται γὰρ For Shall Rise Up ἔθνος Nation ἐπὶ Against ἔθνος Nation καὶ And βασιλεία Kingdom ἐπὶ Against βασιλείαν Kingdom; καὶ And ἔσονται There Shall Be λιμοὶ Famines καὶ And λοιμοί Pestilences καὶ And σεισμοὶ Earthquakes κατὰ In 'Different' τόπους· Places.
Matt 24:8 πάντα δὲ But All ταῦτα These 'Are' ἀρχὴ A Beginning ὠδίνων Of Throes.
Matt 24:9 τότε Then παραδώσουσιν Will They Deliver Up ὑμᾶς You εἰς To θλῖψιν Tribulation, καὶ And ἀποκτενοῦσιν Will Kill ὑμᾶς You; καὶ And ἔσεσθε Ye Will Be μισούμενοι Hated ὑπὸ By πάντων All τῶν The ἐθνῶν Nations διὰ On Account Of τὸ ὄνομά μου My Name.
Matt 24:10 καὶ And τότε Then σκανδαλισθήσονται Will Be Offended πολλοὶ Many, καὶ And ἀλλήλους One Another παραδώσουσιν They Will Deliver Up καὶ And μισήσουσιν Will Hate ἀλλήλους· One Another;
Matt 24:11 καὶ And πολλοὶ Many ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets ἐγερθήσονται Will Arise, καὶ And πλανήσουσιν Will Mislead πολλούς· Many;
Matt 24:12 καὶ And διὰ Because τὸ πληθυνθῆναι Shall Have Been Multiplied τὴν ἀνομίαν Lawlessness, ψυγήσεται Will Grow Cold ἡ The ἀγάπη Love τῶν Of The πολλῶν Many;
Matt 24:13 ὁ δὲ But He Who ὑπομείνας Endures εἰς To 'The' τέλος End οὗτος He σωθήσεται Shall Be Saved.
Matt 24:14 καὶ And κηρυχθήσεται There Shall Be Proclaimed τοῦτο These τὸ εὐαγγέλιον Glad Tidings τῆς Of The βασιλείας Kingdom ἐν In ὅλῃ All τῇ The οἰκουμένῃ Habitable Earth, εἰς For μαρτύριον A Testimony πᾶσιν To All τοῖς The ἔθνεσιν Nations; καὶ And τότε Then ἥξει Shall Come τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:15 Ὅταν When οὖν Therefore ἴδητε Ye Shall See τὸ The βδέλυγμα Abomination τῆς ἐρημώσεως Of Desolation, τὸ Which ῥηθὲν Was Spoken Of διὰ By Δανιὴλ Daniel τοῦ The προφήτου Prophet, ἑστὸς Standing ἐν In 'The' τόπῳ Place ἁγίῳ Holy ὁ he Who ἀναγινώσκων Reads νοείτω Let Him Understand,
Matt 24:16 τότε Then οἱ Those ἐν In τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ Judea φευγέτωσαν Let Them Flee ἐπί To τὰ The ὄρη Mountains;
Matt 24:17 ὁ He ἐπὶ On τοῦ The δώματος μὴ Housetop καταβαινέτω Let Him Not Come Down ἆραι To Take τι Anything ἐκ Out Of τῆς οἰκίας αὐτοῦ His
House;
Matt 24:18 καὶ And ὁ He ἐν In τῷ The ἀγρῷ μὴ Field ἐπιστρεψάτω Let Him Not Return ὀπίσω Back ἆραι To Take τὰ ἱμάτια Garments αὐτοῦ His.
Matt 24:19 οὐαὶ δὲ But Woe ταῖς ἐν To Those That γαστρὶ ἐχούσαις Are With Child καὶ And ταῖς To Those That θηλαζούσαις Give Suck ἐν In ἐκείναις Those ταῖς ἡμέραις Days.
Matt 24:20 προσεύχεσθε δὲ And (But) Pray ἵνα μὴ That γένηται May Not Be ἡ φυγὴ ὑμῶν Your Flight χειμῶνος In Winter, μηδὲ Nor ἐν On σαββάτῳ Sabbath :
Matt 24:21 ἔσται γὰρ For There Shall Be τότε Then θλῖψις Tribulation μεγάλη Great οἵα Such As οὐ Not γέγονεν Has Been ἀπ' From 'The' ἀρχῆς Beginning κόσμου Of 'The' World ἕως Until τοῦ νῦν Now, οὐδ No, οὐ μὴ Nor Ever γένηται Shall Be;
Matt 24:22 καὶ And εἰ μὴ Unless ἐκολοβώθησαν Had Been Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days, οὐκ ἂν Not ἐσώθη There Would Have Been Saved πᾶσα Any σάρξ· Flesh, διὰ δὲ But On Account Of τοὺς The ἐκλεκτοὺς Elect κολοβωθήσονται Shall Be Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days.
Matt 24:23 τότε Then ἐάν If τις Anyone ὑμῖν To You εἴπῃ Say, Ἰδού, Behold, ὧδε Here 'Is' ὁ The Χριστός, Christ, ἤ, Or Ὧδε, μὴ Here, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:24 ἐγερθήσονται There Will Arise γὰρ For ψευδόχριστοι False Christs καὶ And ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets, καὶ And δώσουσιν Will Give σημεῖα Signs μεγάλα Great καὶ And τέρατα Wonders, ὥστε So As πλανῆσαι, To Mislead, εἰ If δυνατόν, Possible, καὶ Even τοὺς The ἐκλεκτούς· Elect.
Matt 24:25 ἰδού, Lo, προείρηκα I Have Foretold 'It' ὑμῖν To You.
Matt 24:26 ἐὰν If οὖν Therefore εἴπωσιν They Say ὑμῖν To You, Ἰδού, Behold, ἐν In τῇ The ἐρήμῳ Wilderness ἐστίν, μὴ He Is, ἐξέλθητε· Go Not Forth : Ἰδού, Behold, 'He Is' ἐν In τοῖς The ταμείοις μὴ Chambers, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:27 ὥσπερ γὰρ For As ἡ The ἀστραπὴ Lightning ἐξέρχεται Comes Forth ἀπὸ From 'The' ἀνατολῶν East καὶ And φαίνεται Appears ἕως As Far As 'The' δυσμῶν West, οὕτως So ἔσται Shall Be καὶ Also ἡ The παρουσία Coming τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου· Of Man.
Matt 24:28 ὅπου γὰρ ἐὰν For Wherever ᾖ May Be τὸ The πτῶμα Carcase, ἐκεῖ There συναχθήσονται Will Be Gathered Together οἱ The ἀετοί Eagles.
Matt 24:29 Εὐθέως Immediately δὲ But μετὰ After τὴν The θλῖψιν Tribulation τῶν ἡμερῶν ἐκείνων Of Those Days ὁ The ἥλιος Sun σκοτισθήσεται Shall Be Darkened, καὶ And ἡ The σελήνη Moon οὐ δώσει Shall Not Give τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς Her Light, καὶ And οἱ The ἀστέρες Stars πεσοῦνται Shall Fall ἀπὸ From τοῦ The οὐρανοῦ Heaven, καὶ And αἱ The δυνάμεις Powers τῶν Of The οὐρανῶν Heavens σαλευθήσονται Shall Be Shaken.
Matt 24:30 καὶ And τότε Then φανήσεται Shall Appear τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man ἐν In τῷ The οὐρανῷ Heaven; καὶ And τότε Then κόψονται Shall Wail πᾶσαι All αἱ The φυλαὶ Tribes τῆς Of The γῆς Land, καὶ And ὄψονται They Shall See τὸν The υἱὸν Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man, ἐρχόμενον Coming ἐπὶ On τῶν The νεφελῶν Clouds τοῦ οὐρανοῦ Of Heaven μετὰ With δυνάμεως Power καὶ And δόξης Glory πολλῆς· Great.
Matt 24:31 καὶ And ἀποστελεῖ He Shall Send τοὺς ἀγγέλους Angels αὐτοῦ His μετὰ With σάλπιγγος Of A Trumpet φωνῆς Sound μεγάλης Great, καὶ And ἐπισυνάξουσιν They Shall Gather Together τοὺς ἐκλεκτοὺς αὐτοῦ His Elect ἐκ From τῶν The τεσσάρων Four ἀνέμων Winds, ἀπ' From 'The' ἄκρων Extremities οὐρανῶν Of 'The' Heavens ἕως To 'The' ἄκρων Extremities αὐτῶν Of Them.

lol Posting the verses in Greek, which anyone can do, does not in any way change what I wrote, and you ignored, in my post 502. What are your credentials as a Greek scholar?

Go reply to my post 502.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Why then would Jesus tell men to live by Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, if it no longer "matters to Him" if we believe Him?

Because first off there are eons of Words proceeding from the Mouth of God not recorded in Scripture.

If this ceased the universe would disappear in a moment.

While Scripture is our necessary reference it is not exhaustive.

Living by every Word that proceeds from Him is a daily dynamic experience as we commune with His indwelling presence.

He has the Authority to replace one Covenant with another, and He did.

The declarations associated with the New, are better because they are personalised and reveal what He intends in the moment.

Man made the Sabbath into something God never intended.

 

[Studyman]

Because first off there are eons of Words proceeding from the Mouth of God not recorded in Scripture.

If this ceased the universe would disappear in a moment.

While Scripture is our necessary reference it is not exhaustive.

And yet, Jesus quoted His Father's Teaching showing you exactly what WORDS HE was referring to.

Duet. 8: 1 All the commandments "which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do", that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.

2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, "whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no".

3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

So it's absurd to believe and promote to others that Jesus said to "Live By" the Words proceeding from the mouth of God that we have never heard.

And yet, that is what you are teaching.

Living by every Word that proceeds from Him is a daily dynamic experience as we commune with His indwelling presence.

So then in your religion, God gives every man different commandments to live by?

Can you provide some Biblical Support for this seductive philosophy?

He has the Authority to replace one Covenant with another, and He did.

And HE defined His Own New Covenant in His Holy Scriptures that Paul said was trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

And there is nothing in HIS Promise of a New Covenant that prophesied the End of God's Judgment concerning what is Holy, Just and Good.

Can you show me where such a prophesy is written in the Holy Scriptures?

The declarations associated with the New, are better because they are personalised and reveal what He intends in the moment.

Again, this is a seductive philosophy, that every man "Who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, can go about establishing their own righteousness, and commandments and judgments, and then justify them by claiming to do so "In Christ's Name". But Jesus already addressed this in Matthew 7:22,23.

Shouldn't a man let God define His Own New Covenant?

Man made the Sabbath into something God never intended.

Yes, man made God's Holy Sabbath, opening day of deer season, a time to make more money, a day of partying and serving ones self.

I completely agree with you on this statement.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Man made the Sabbath into something God never intended.

Yes, man took the only day in the Bible that God sanctified Gen2:3 Exo20:11 and God said in His own words, is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord, the day to honor Me Isa58:13 and commanded to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, work 6 days so one can keep the seventh day Sabbath holy. Exo20:8-11 This is God’s spoken and written Testimony Exo31:18

This is what man did to God’s Sabbath, they flipped it and took something God made holy and turned into a common day, and turned something God made as a common day, for works and labors Exo20:9 and turned into a holy day.

God speaks of what this does in His own words


Eze 22:26 Her priests have [g]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them

 

[Hentenza]

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [g]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them

Who is God talking about in this verse? Whose priests is He directing His wrath to?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Who is God talking about in this verse? Whose priests is He directing His wrath to?

Don't deceive yourself for a second that priest can't profane Him, but others can. If you want to test this theory be my guest.

 

[Hentenza]

Don't deceive yourself for a second that priest can't profane Him, but others can. If you want to test this theory be my guest.

No answer? You are applying a verse to everyone when the verse has a specific subset of people that God is angry at. This is problematic at best.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No answer? You are applying a verse to everyone when the verse has a specific subset of people that God is angry at. This is problematic at best.

Its profaning God according to God. He is not a respecter of persons. Why He said those who lay aside the commandments of God in lieu of man-made commandments one worships Him in vain and both the teacher and follower of this teaching, leads one to a ditch Mat15:3-14. He said similar to this about our teachings here as well Mat5:19

According to God He compares breaking the Sabbath to idol worship. Why all the commandments are interconnected breaking one we break them all James2:11

Eze 22:15 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land I had given them—a land flowing with milk and honey, the most beautiful of all lands— 16 because they rejected my laws and did not follow my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths. For their hearts were devoted to their idols.

The reason why those who became before us didn't enter their rest, and what we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:6 Heb4:11

I'm not the one you need to convince, its not my commandments, their God’, they are under His mercy seat, its His Testimony.

 

[Hentenza]

Its profaning God according to God. He is not a respecter of persons. Why He said those who lay aside the commandments of God in lieu of man-made commandments one worships Him in vain and both the teacher and follower of this teaching, leads one to a ditch Mat15:3-14. He said similar to this about our teachings here as well Mat5:19

According to God He compares breaking the Sabbath to idol worship. Why all the commandments are interconnected breaking one we break them all James2:11

No wonder. You equal all that go to church on Sunday instead of saturdays as idol worshipers. That is just sad. I don’t think God is going to care that I rest on Sunday rather than Saturday. Your theology makes absolutely no sense and it is absolutely not biblical. A person is saved by the grace of God through faith not by if they worship on Saturday. That is absolute nonsense.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No wonder. You equal all that go to church on Sunday instead of saturdays as idol worshipers. That is just sad. I don’t think God is going to care that I rest on Sunday rather than Saturday. Your theology makes absolutely no sense and it is absolutely not biblical. A person is saved by the grace of God through faith not by if they worship on Saturday. That is absolute nonsense.

God cared about a tree in Eden. It’s just a tree, right? Or was it a test that changed everything.

I think one is missing the point behind it. It’s not just about Saturday or Sunday, it’s the power behind it and whose voice are we listening to. God commanded one thing, was very specific another power changed it not based on God’s Authroity, He warned us this would happen Dan7:25 and we see a clear history of it, most people followed this power (even without realizing it as it happened so long ago) instead of being faithful to what God said. It’s really a test of our loyalty, because we are told whoever we obey is who we serve (or worship) Rom6:16 And God’s remnant people keep God’s commandments Rev12:17

I am a firm believer God really means what He says. If God commanded us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to argue with our Maker. He was very specific about His Sabbath and what it means to Him. God stated plainly in His commandments written by the finger of God which is the Holy Spirit of Truth. He never said we can substitute what we don’t agree with for our own man-made ideas. He condemned this teaching Mar7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 I find the Sabbath to be the blessing and delight just as He promised Isa8:13-14 Isa56:2. I believe we are to change our lives around His word, not try to bend the Bible to fit our life. In the end it will be up to God. I think He made His case clearly, but I know you don’t agree, so I guess it will get sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well.

 

[Hentenza]

God cared about a tree in Eden. It’s just a tree, right? Or was it a test that changed everything.

irrelevant.

I think one is missing the point behind it. It’s not just about Saturday or Sunday, it’s the power behind it and whose voice are we listening to. God commanded one thing, was very specific another power changed it not based on God’s Authroity, He warned us this would happen Dan7:25 and we see a clear history of it, most people followed this power (even without realizing it as it happened so long ago) instead of being faithful to what God said. It’s really a test of our loyalty, because we are told whoever we obey is who we serve (or worship) Rom6:16 And God’s remnant people keep God’s commandments Rev12:17

“And he will speak against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭25‬-‭26‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Daniel 7:26 But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.

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Did you forget about verse 26? Are you again interpreting this verse to refer to all when it applies to only a subset of people? Not only that but I’d resolved in the next verse?


“So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bib

So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

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Which commandments? This verse refers to Jesus so the commandments are His not the 10 commandments.

I am a firm believer God really means what He says. If God commanded us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to argue with our Maker. He was very specific about His Sabbath and what it means to Him. God stated plainly in His commandments written by the finger of God which is the Holy Spirit of Truth. He never said we can substitute what we don’t agree with for our own man-made ideas. He condemned this teaching Mar7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 I find the Sabbath to be the blessing and delight just as He promised Isa8:13-14 Isa56:2. I believe we are to change our lives around His word, not try to bend the Bible to fit our life. In the end it will be up to God. I think He made His case clearly, but I know you don’t agree, so I guess it will get sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well.

But you are missing the fact that He gave us a new covenant and a new covenant has different terms than the old covenant.

“‘And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.””
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Mark 7:7-13 ‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at s | New American Standard Bible - NASB

‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at s

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Do you not see your error in quoting these verses? This is a condemnation of the law because no one can keep the law perfectly.

“And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you, by saying: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. ‘And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand! It is not what enters the mouth that defiles the person, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles the person.” Then the disciples came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15‬:‭3‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 15:3-14 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL O | New American Standard Bible - N

And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL O

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This is exactly why Jesus was crucified and nailed the law to the cross. No one can keep the law perfectly. Only Jesus was able yo keep the law perfectly so He fulfilled it. No one else could.

You are welcomed to keep the sabbath. You will not get any judgement from me but you have to stop accusing those that do not believe as you of living in sin and being idolaters. You have no right to judge others. That is God’s purview not yours.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

irrelevant.

“And he will speak against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time. But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭25‬-‭26‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Daniel 7:26 But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

But the court will convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.

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Did you forget about verse 26? Are you again interpreting this verse to refer to all when it applies to only a subset of people? Not only that but I’d resolved in the next verse?


“So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bib

So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

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Which commandments? This verse refers to Jesus so the commandments are His not the 10 commandments.



But you are missing the fact that He gave us a new covenant and a new covenant has different terms than the old covenant.

“‘And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭7‬-‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Mark 7:7-13 ‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at s | New American Standard Bible - NASB

‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You are experts at s

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Do you not see your error in quoting these verses? This is a condemnation of the law because no one can keep the law perfectly.

“And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you, by saying: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. ‘And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand! It is not what enters the mouth that defiles the person, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles the person.” Then the disciples came and *said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15‬:‭3‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 15:3-14 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL O | New American Standard Bible - N

And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL O

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This is exactly why Jesus was crucified and nailed the law to the cross. No one can keep the law perfectly. Only Jesus was able yo keep the law perfectly so He fulfilled it. No one else could.

You are welcomed to keep the sabbath. You will not get any judgement from me but you have to stop accusing those that do not believe as you of living in sin and being idolaters. You have no right to judge others. That is God’s purview not yours.

Not according to God, He says He has a people who overcomes and keep His commandments

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


Sadly, the core of this teaching that we can’t keep God’s commandments is that the devil has more power to keep one in sin, than God does to keep us from sin, if we are connected to Him. It’s saying the devil is more powerful than God. It’s not what I believe.

Regard Dan7:25 which is prophetic no I didn’t forget the next verse, it doesn't change the meaning on the verse I quoted. There is a beast power who thought to change God’s times and laws. The only law that is both a time (every seventh day Exo20:10) and law (4th commandment) is the Sabbath commandment and clear history of it being changed not by God.

So temporary while on earth, this power changes God’s times and laws, the Sabbath, the power who did so, that most the whole world has followed or wondered after (thinking like) instead of being faithful to God, but God has a remnant people who obey and are faithful to Him Rev 17:12

God will take His dominion back

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Why the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity in the New Heaven and New earth thus saith the Lord Isaiah 66:22-23 because this is God’s will and has been since Crelation Exo20:11

If we dislike the. Sabbath so much right now, God is a God of love and would never force something against ones will. It’s why His judgement is one of love, because not everyone will be happy in heaven where there is no more sin - sadly people like their sins more than their love for Jesus John3:19-21 and thats what it comes down it. A heart issue. We need to turn from sin now and forsake our sins Pro28:13 and worship the God of Creation Re14:7 Exo20:11 the only God that has the power to sanctify a day Exo20:11 and who can sanctify us Eze20:12 both connected to God’s Sabbath, the Holy Day of the Lord Isa58:13 Mark2:28

I’m not going to continue debating this anymore with you, there’s a time to move on, I do not think either of us is going to change our positions. God will sort everything out in His own time.

 

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Not according to God, He says He has a people who overcomes and keep His commandments

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I just addressed this verse. Whose commandments?

Sadly, the core of this teaching that we can’t keep God’s commandments is that the devil has more power to keep one in sin, than God does to keep us from sin, if we are connected to Him. It’s saying the devil is more powerful than God. It’s not what I believe.

Regard Dan7:25 which is prophetic no I didn’t forget the next verse, it doesn't change the meaning on the verse I quoted. There is a beast power who thought to change God’s times and laws. The only law that is both a time (every seventh day Exo20:10) and law (4th commandment) is the Sabbath commandment and clear history of it being changed not by God.

And yet God gave us a new covenant where Jesus is the Lord of Yhe sabbath and now we rest in Him not in a particular day.

So temporary while on earth, this power changes God’s times and laws, the Sabbath, that most the whole world has followed or wondered after (thinking like)

God will take His dominion back

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Why the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity in the New Heaven and New earth thus saith the Lord Isaiah 66:22-23

““For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the Lord, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭22‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Isaiah 66:22-23 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And | New American Standard Bible - N

“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And

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This merely means from week to week. This was a common phrase used by the Jews during biblical times.

4. = week(?): שֶׁבַע שַׁבָּתוֺת Leviticus 23:15 (H), seven sabbaths or weeks; שֶׁבַע שַׁבְּתתֹ (ה)שָּׁנִים Leviticus 25:8 (twice in verse); (H) seven sabbaths or weeks (of years), uncertain (see Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 18:12; Matthew 28:1, compare Jewish-Aramaic usage); possibly שַׁבָּת Isaiah 66:23 = week (Du).

 

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I just addressed this verse. Whose commandments?

And yet God gave us a new covenant where Jesus is the Lord of Yhe sabbath and now we rest in Him not in a particular day.

Not according to God those who have entered His rest ALSO keep the Sabbath, why the seventh day was spoken of in this way by God of the Universe Heb4:4,10 Exo20:8-11

““For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the Lord, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭22‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Isaiah 66:22-23 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And | New American Standard Bible - N

“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, Which I make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So will your descendants and your name endure. “And it shall be from new moon to new moon And

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This merely means from week to week. This was a common phrase used by the Jews during biblical times.

4. = week(?): שֶׁבַע שַׁבָּתוֺת Leviticus 23:15 (H), seven sabbaths or weeks; שֶׁבַע שַׁבְּתתֹ (ה)שָּׁנִים Leviticus 25:8 (twice in verse); (H) seven sabbaths or weeks (of years), uncertain (see Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 18:12; Matthew 28:1, compare Jewish-Aramaic usage); possibly שַׁבָּת Isaiah 66:23 = week (Du).

It’s from week to week on the Sabbath. You removed the Sabbath from this verse God didn’t. It says from one Sabbath to another all flesh (not just Jews) will come before the Lord, to worship. Isa66:23

The word used for Sabbath in this verse in the new heaven and new earth.
שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth'; intensive from H7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:—(+ every) sabbath.

It doesn’t say we are going to be before the Lord everyday in heaven, Scripture plainly tells us we will be building houses and tending to vineyards and doing things. It’s best to let Scripture define itself especially when it’s the Lord speaking. God does not change, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10 it is MY holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13- God does not say this about any other day period. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath- not Lord of the first day. The Sabbath day continues, the first day was and is just a man-made tradition that completes with the Testimony of God. Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Heb8:10 2Cor3:3

Anyway believe as you wish, it will work itself out soon enough.

 

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Not according to God Heb4:4,10 Exo20:8-11

We‘ve been through those verses before many times. Heb. 4, talks about Jesus rest and Ex. 20 audience was the Jews not the church.

It’s from week to week on the Sabbath. You removed the Sabbath from this verse God didn’t. It says from one Sabbath to another all flesh (not just Jews) will come before the Lord, to worship. We are not going to be before the Lord everyday in heaven, Scripture plainly tells us we will be building houses and tending to vineyards and doing things. It’s best to let Scripture define itself especially when it’s the Lord speaking.

I showed you the Hebrew and you still hold on to an unbiblical understanding which does not match the original language or the historical context.

 

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We‘ve been through those verses before many times. Heb. 4, talks about Jesus rest and Ex. 20 audience was the Jews not the church.

I showed you the Hebrew and you still hold on to an unbiblical understanding which does not match the original language or the historical context.

God will Judge these things, not us Ecc 12:13-14 James2:11-12 Rev11:18-19

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