The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[SabbathBlessings]

Again, you are mistaking me for someone who claims we should observe Sunday instead of Saturday and you would be mistaken. I don't hold one day over any day. That's not what entering Christ's rest is about.

That's not what Christ rest is about, I guess that why you didn't provide Scripture.

In Christ rest there is no disobedience to Him or His commandment, just peace and righteousness Isa 48:18 Sin is the transgression of God's Laws 1John3:4 James2:11 so breaking them including the 4th commandment is sin. God never plucked out this commandment, man has but He did warned it would happen Dan7:25

Those before us didn't enter into Christ rest due to disobedience.

Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

What they broke during the trial of the wilderness David was referring to and why they did not enter for for breaking God's laws and Sabbath -keeping was specifically singled out.

What Hebrews is quoting is David

Heb4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

And what they disobeyed in their trial of the wilderness, the exact warning this passage is telling us, which I do not beleive is going to yield a different result. Heb4:11

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Many Israelites never entered their rest during the trial of the wilderness because of Sabbath keeping and breaking God's commandment.

Why if we go back to the story of Joshua which this passage is referring to, before they entered their rest (promised land) The Ten Commandments was repeated 40 years later telling them to diligently keep and teach their children to keep before entering (just as we are to Rev22:14-15)

People act like the rest Christ gives started 30+ years after the Cross in Hebrews, but Christ rest started from the foundation of the earth, in His rest no one is sinning, that is unrest and shows a harden heart and being in rebellion to God. Heb3:7-19 and of course it would include the 4th commandment, because God placed that commandment along with the other 9 commandments in the same unit, all Ten unedited, written by the Holy Spirit, sits under His mercy seat Exo25:21 in heaven Ex031:18 Rev 15:5 Rev11:18-19 where justice and mercy will come together soon. I personally would not want to take away something He covers Exo20:6 Pro28:13, but we have free will

Man's word.

This is very much in the word of God.

God doesn't define what the beast mark is, the beast which is a kingdom or government agency does, its their mark, not God's. God told us this beast would change God's times and laws and they did and claim they did so without Biblical authority, but based on their own power over God's. God's mark or seal is found in the Sabbath commandment Exo20:11. The end is about worship. When do people worship on- Saturday or Sunday. One is a commandment of God, the other a tradition of man. Jesus said false worship is laying aside the commandment's of God for the commandments of man Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14. We see this clearly in Rev 14:11-12 which the last part is the antidote for v11 and of course it is God's version of His commandments, not mans.

Sadly many people of many denominations are going to fall for the show that Satan and his will put on. That's what apostasy is. Someone who has defected from the truth. It has nothing to do with Sat or Sun. It has to do with believing they are the real thing when they are actually worshipping the fake.

All God's commandments are Truth Psa119:151 including the 4th commandments just as God said it was and yes apostasy is turning from God's Truth, which is God's standards, instead of following what's popular with man.

I don't think so. You are the one that seems to believe someone can't go to church on Sunday to worship. We can worship any day of the week.

Do you believe it's a sin to go to church and worship on Sunday? And if so, where is that stated in the bible?

You are putting words in my mouth. The Sabbath is more than just going to church. Its not wrong to worship God on any day or go to church on any day. It becomes wrong when we are doing something in lieu of obeying one of God's commandments, or exalting a day God made for works and labors Exo 20:9 over the only day God sanctified for holy use and commanded us to keep the Sabbath day holy Exo20:8-11 as it is the Holy Day of the Lord thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13

Its not me saying this, God did, He does not change. There's a lot of thus saith the Lords sadly one would have to ignore to come to the conclusions we can disobey this commandment just as those did before us and expect a different result. Its the battle over worship and whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 so our actions will determine the path we end up on. If we hear God's voice or listen to another voice.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [g]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them

 

[Carl Emerson]

Regardless what man has done to the calendar, it never changed the weekly cycle.

During Roman times there was an 8 day week.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

During Roman times there was an 8 day week.

Doesn't change that Sunday is the first day and the Sabbath is and will always be on the seventh day.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Doesn't change that Sunday is the first day and the Sabbath is and will always be on the seventh day.

And it would fall on a different calendar day each week.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And it would fall on a different calendar day each week.

Doesn't change God's weekly cycle from creation Gen2:1-3. Again why almost every ancient language Saturday means Sabbath. The Jews have been around since very early on, everyone who wants to keep the Sabbath can, its just a matter of how many arguments can one try to come up with so we don't have to. God knows our hearts and thoughts. If one wants to obey Him, you find ways

 

[Carl Emerson]

Doesn't change God's weekly cycle from creation Gen2:1-3. Again why almost every ancient language Saturday means Sabbath. The Jews have been around since very early on, everyone who wants to keep the Sabbath can, its just a matter of how many arguments can one try to come up with so we don't have to. God knows our hearts and thoughts. If one wants to obey Him, you find ways

Yes... He knows the days but we cant guarantee that previous cultures have kept tally of them.
There were long periods of time that no nations considered the Sabbath.

But Hey... it doesn't matter because observing Sabbath as a one in seven is all that is needed for those led to do so.

Paul warned us against arguing over days.

 

[JulieB67]

, or exalting a day

That's the difference, I exalt Christ every day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes... He knows the days but we cant guarantee that previous cultures have kept tally of them.
There were long periods of time that no nations considered the Sabbath.

I disagree. There has always been a remnant who has kept God's commandments, as stated if one wishes to obey, they will find a way. The Sabbath never went anywhere regardless what man tried to do to the calendar.

https://manna.amazingfacts.org/amazingfacts/website/sabbathtruth/documents/chart-of-the-week.pdf

Its funny that no one ever argues over which day of the week is the first day. People seem to know what that is.

But Hey... it doesn't matter because observing Sabbath as a one in seven is all that is needed for those led to do so.

Paul warned us against arguing over days.

If you think that is what Paul was talking about, debating if we should or should not obey one of God's commandments and His Testimony as if he was the master instead of the servant he claimed he was Titus 1:1 John 13:16. I know Paul is hard to understand so if that's what you think he is speaking of probably not a good idea to continue discussing and I will respect that. Jesus who is above man, said we should teach each other the commandments Mat5:19 so that's what I shall try to continue doing.

Be well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's the difference, I exalt Christ every day.

I beleive if we were to do this, we would be obeying His commandments. Luk6:46

This is what God said when we don't keep the Sabbath or distinguish between what is holy and unholy Eze22:26 Seems like we ought to live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth Mat4:4 and believe what He reveals about Himself. The God in the NT is the same God of the old testament. He said Himself He changes not. Considering the Sabbath is tied to Him as our Creator Exo20:11 our Sanctifier Eze20:12 the God we are told to worship Rev14:7 I believe keeping the 4th commandment the way God said is just as important to Him as keeping the first or the second or the third. They are all interconnected why breaking one we break them all James2:11

 

[Hentenza]

I disagree. There has always been a remnant who has kept God's commandments, as stated if one wishes to obey, they will find a way.

So find a verse before Moses that shows the keeping of the Sabbath. Remember that the Torah was not written until the 15th century BCE.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So find a verse before Moses that shows the keeping of the Sabbath. Remember that the Torah was not written until the 15th century BCE.

Gen26:5 Mar2:27 Gen1:26 Gen2:1-3

Its your burden to prove that God's commandments do not include the 4th or that it didn't start at Creation when God said it did Exo20:11 Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo20:8-11. I trust Him when He defines something, no reason not to believe Him.

 

[Hentenza]

Gen26:5 Mar2:27 Gen1:26 Gen2:1-3

Its your burden to prove that God's commandments do not include the 4th or that it didn't start at Creation when God said it did Exo20:11 Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo20:8-11. I trust Him when He defines something, no reason not to believe Him.

The burden is yours sister. You are the one claiming that it was practiced before Moses. So prove it.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Gen26:5 Mar2:27 Gen1:26 Gen2:1-3

Its your burden to prove that God's commandments do not include the 4th or that it didn't start at Creation when God said it did Exo20:11 Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo20:8-11. I trust Him when He defines something, no reason not to believe Him.

As a matter of interest - what day of creation do you think God is currently in ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As a matter of interest - what day of creation do you think God is currently in ?

God said everything was created in our world a long time ago Gen 2:1-3, so not sure what you're referring to.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The burden is yours sister. You are the one claiming that it was practiced before Moses. So prove it.

I did, you just choose not to beleive what God tells us are He commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo 20:6, that they somehow do not include one of them, the one He said Remember. That's not something I can help with. I can only go by what God said are His commandments and what they include and who kept them such as Abraham. When Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind, the Greek word He used and Adam in Hebrew, it would mean for ever single human being on the planet that wants to join themselves to God and serve Him Isa56:6 If you choose to beleive something else, that's has nothing to do with what God said. He is the one I place my faith in.

 

[Carl Emerson]

God said everything was created in our world a long time ago Gen 2:1-3, so not sure what you're referring to.

We read that six days He created and then what ?

Is He still creating or is He resting ?

Is He still Sabbath Resting or is He active agin in the eighth day - or something else ???

 

[Hentenza]

I did, you just choose not to beleive what God tells us are He commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo 20:6, that they somehow do not include one of them, the one He said Remember.

None of these verses show that people before Moses kept the sabbath. You did forget that all 3 verses that you posted was not given to Israel until the 15th century BCE.

That's not something I can help with. I can only go by what God said are His commandments and what they include and who kept them such as Abraham.

Abraham kept the commandment of circumcision. Nothing here about keeping the sabbath.

When Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind, the Greek word He used and Adam in Hebrew, it would mean for ever single human being on the planet that wants to join themselves to God and serve Him Isa56:6

“¶“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭56‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Isaiah 56:6 ¶“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds | New American Standard Bible - NASB

¶“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds

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The foreigners refers to the gentiles who converted to Judaism. Nothing here about a forever keeping of the sabbath.

If you choose to beleive something else, that's has nothing to do with what God said. He is the one I place my faith in.

I place my faith in God also but you cant force your interpretation on others. You still have to prove your interpretation that the sabbath was kept before Moses.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We read that six days He created and then what ?

Is He still creating or is He resting ?

Is He still Sabbath Resting or is He active agin in the eighth day - or something else ???

I just stick with the Scripture say and God will reveal the rest at His return. He gives us plenty to go on by what we do know, so no need to say because God is or God is not doing this means we do not have to obey Him. At least that's the way I look at it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Abraham kept the commandment of circumcision. Nothing here about keeping the sabbath.

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

I trust God when He defines what are His commandments, He means what He says Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6. This is not something I am comfortable arguing against because I think its important to let God be God and let Him define what is His and He does, plainly. We can either believe Him or not, its all about choices.

 

[Hentenza]

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

What commandments, statutes, and laws? Show where Abraham was given those and what they were?

I trust God when He defines what are His commandments, He means what he says. This is not something I am comfortable arguing against because I think its important for God to be God and let Him define what is His and He does, plainly. We can either believe him or not, its all about choices.

Again, all of us are Christians and believe in God so you have to prove your interpretation of scripture.