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When God defines HIS commandments, it doesn't change later in Scripture because they belong to Him. Its God's Testimony, man is not greater than God. God does not need our help in defining or re-defining what He said plainly is His.What commandments, statutes, and laws?
God said everything was created in our world a long time ago Gen 2:1-3, so not sure what you're referring to.
Since God didn't reveal this, I would be less worried about what God is doing right now, because we are not God, and more concerned what God asks of us. That's me though.Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
Do you think He is still resting on the 'seventh day' ?
Since God didn't reveal this, I would be less worried about what God is doing right now, because we are not God, and more concerned what God asks of us. That's me though.
It doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest, it says His rest. His rest is free of sin and rebellion so one would Also be ceasing from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 or in other words those who have entered His rest would be keeping the 4th commandment. Why God spoke of the seventh day in this way Heb 4:4 Exo20:8-11Well - He does invite sharing with Him in His Sabbath Rest. This would seem to indicate He is still resting.
It doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest, it says His rest.
Yes, the Sabbath rest remains for the people of God, the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56 why this verse literally translates into keeping the Sabbath that remains for God's people it doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest. There are two different rests in this entire passage not one. Verse 10 clearly shows these two rests those who has entered His rest has himself ALSO, which means they are doing something in ADDITION and it tells us those who have entered ALSO rest from his works as God did from His, on the seventh day Heb4:4Hebrews 4:8-10
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
Jesus died on Friday, His blood ratified His covenant. It Is Finished, nothing can be added to His covenant without Him sacrificing Himself all over again, but His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10 The faithful disciples of Christ who followed Him everywhere, still kept the Sabbath after His death according to the commandment. They were the first people to see Jesus after His rose from the dead, He never told them they no longer needed to keep the Sabbath. He already indicated His people would be keeping the Sabbath long after His death and at His second coming Mat24:20 and forever Isaiah66:23. Not keeping God’s 4th commandment is a man-made idea, not coming from God. Something He did warn us about through Dan7:;25Luke 23:56 was before the resurrection and the birth of the Body of Christ.
Of course they followed the Old Covenant at this time - it was all they knew.
it doesn't say we enter His Sabbath rest.
Still doesn’t say we enter His Sabbath rest, it says clearly there remains, not changed a Sabbath rest for God’s people, and the Greek word in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath, what God called His people to do Exo20:8-11 Heb4:4. The other rests in this passage that we enter through faith is not the Sabbath and look up every Greek word to see for yourself, it has nothing to do with the Sabbath. One would have to be familiar with the OT to understand this passage as it’s what it references at least three different times. Since it’s mainly what it’s mainly quoting OT. God has always had more than one rest from the beginning and I can show that to you from the book of Exodus. This passage is not saying one rest deletes the other, they work only in tandem.Really...
Let the reader decide...
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The Believer’s Rest
4 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith. 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“As I swore in My anger,
They certainly shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.
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Sorry but the clear reading of the text must trump any human theology.
Double Blessings and have a great day.
If you are looking for the popular vote, you will have it.What do others think ?
Him saying they were innocent is commenting on the act, that they were not guilty of the accusation of the Pharisees because its not a sin to eat on the Sabbath, never was. No need to draw our own conclusions Jesus made is quite clear. Why we are told Pro3:5-6
Sabbath being too high of a standard to keep into these verses so therefore we do not have to keep, is a bad idea. The Sabbath can be kept, just like the other 9 if we love Jesus and cooperate with the Spirit. John14:15-18 The Sabbath wasn't mentioned in these verses, money was and Jesus said even rich people can be saved because....you missed the solution in the next verse and it wasn't Jesus lowering His standard or changing one of His commandment's
Mat 19: 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Money is not the issue, its the love of money that is, when we place it above God.
This personal philosophies card is unsubstantiated and is being used as an ad hominem attack. I've walked you through how it's biblical rooted. Reducing it to personal philosophy without breaking that down is a failure to reply on a critical level and has more harm on your position. Sure don't accept it, but that doesn't give you the right to say I just made it up or am not committed to biblically grounded doctrine. I take scripture very seriously, comments like this reduce it to things I've made up and it is hurtful. Please be more mindful that you're speaking with other believers who love God as much as you do even if we don't understand scripture the same way.Like I said previously I am not big on personal philosophies, I think if we stick with the Bible and what God said and Jesus did as our example and not deviate from that as we are told Isa8:20 we will be just fine.
Take care
If you are looking for the popular vote, you will have it.
If looking for God’s Truth Psa119:151, you might need to keep digging and prayerfully study more and realize that it doesn’t say we do not need to keep the 4th commandment anywhere in this passage, it was written decades after the Cross, Jesus would have to die all over again to make a change to His covenant. He already promised He would not alter His words Psa89:34 Mat5:18 God tells us what we need to know from His own mouth, but the same warning in Hebrews 4, still continues on. Heb 4:6-7 Heb3:7-13 Psa95:7-13 Heb4:11
Guess all gets sorted out soon enough.
Yes, Mathew 24 is the only place these predictions are in chronological order. Dan/Rev etc are formatted in repeat and enlarge.
As it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.Yes and will continue on...
Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
I can't imagine what it will be like to worship before Christ on the Sabbath. He tells us people will still do things during the week Isa 65:21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
And rest, which many fail to do.The Sabbath continues for worship but now instead of in spirit, everyone will come before Him.
When you look at every OT reference it speaks of in Hebrews 4 at least 4 times, 4 different passages and read every Greek word, than compare it to what God said out of His mouth, which for me, is what we go by the Master over the servant, one could not come to the conclusion most do who just surface read this passage. It’s not an easy passage to understand because it has so many OT references in a short amount of verses, that sadly many never go to these reference and just apply it to what they want not what it is actually referring to and means. The Bible defines itself, so we do not have to lean on our own understanding. Theres always been more than one rest in Scripture even in the OT, it doesn’t mean it starts deleting God’s commandments, especially ones written by God Himself that He promised He would not alter. It’s God’s Testimony Exo31:18, what the whole bible is about. John5:39 so no Scripture can speak against His Testimony Isa8:20 and it doesn’t if read in context. His word is settled in Heaven Psa119:89 where His Testimony is Rev15:5 Rev 11:19The minority are not always right...
No it is what is written. 3 questions were asked in verse 3, when shall these things be in regard to the destruction of the Temple. When shall be the sign of Jesus' coming and when shall be the end of the world. What follows is an answer to all three. The audience is any and all throughout the ages until He comes in His glory. How do we know?
Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.
How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said. And they are in the Greek also. So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels he expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath.
Matt 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
You are stuck in English grammar. Everything reads continuous because it is based on the original writings.The original writing did not contain chapter numbers or even verse numbers. It was written as a scroll. Chapter numbers and verse numbers were added later. lets look at the verses.
It reads the same in the Greek. You might not want to go down this road my friend. The Greek is what led me to share this.
And yet, your Greek did not prompt you to address my post. Every one has an interlinear these days.
You might want to look at it then.
The case was made in the post above that said, "it reads the same in the Greek".So make your case.
My bad, I was tired yesterday, God does reveal what He is doing right now...Since God didn't reveal this, I would be less worried about what God is doing right now, because we are not God, and more concerned what God asks of us. That's me though.
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