The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

[Elder 111]

1. Sin is the transgression of the law John 3:4. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23. That all includes all that ever lived and will ever live. It therefore means that the law must always be there to convict of sin, to point out sin, for except the law said thou should not covet how would I have known? Romans 7:7
2. What shall we be judge by except the law? If it is abolished there is no standard for judgment! There can be no Judgment! James 1:25 and 2:12
3. What did Jesus die for except for sinners who broke the law? If the law could have been abolished by God there would have been no need for Jesus to die. Remove the law and there would be no transgression, no sin. Jesus died so why remove the law? Jesus knowing what would come to pass stated before that not one dot of an “I” or the crossing of a “t” would pass from the law Matt. 5:17-18. Do you believe Jesus?
4. If the law was abolish by the disciples, why was the last of them John, still keeping the Sabbath?

 

[Frogster]

1. Sin is the transgression of the law John 3:4. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23. That all includes all that ever lived and will ever live. It therefore means that the law must always be there to convict of sin, to point out sin, for except the law said thou should not covet how would I have known? Romans 7:7
2. What shall we be judge by except the law? If it is abolished there is no standard for judgment! There can be no Judgment! James 1:25 and 2:12
3. What did Jesus die for except for sinners who broke the law? If the law could have been abolished by God there would have been no need for Jesus to die. Remove the law and there would be no transgression, no sin. Jesus died so why remove the law? Jesus knowing what would come to pass stated before that not one dot of an “I” or the crossing of a “t” would pass from the law Matt. 5:17-18. Do you believe Jesus?
4. If the law was abolish by the disciples, why was the last of them John, still keeping the Sabbath?

Did you ever notice the placement of Rom 3:31?

It came after 3 chapters od describing the unsaved.

So yes,the law will always stand as a disciplinarian,to lead to Christ.But then we are not under law(rom6:14),nor a pedagogue (gal 3:25).

As far as your rom 7 quote.It proves the point,morality can't come by the law.For the Christian,morality comes from the Spirit,not the law which is the power of sin.(1 cor 15:56).

Thank you.

 

[tulipbee]

The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

If one human being can keep all of the commandments other than Jesus, it would probably fall.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Oh Boy! Another thread on the Sabbath !

 

[Jpark]

Never mind.

 

[Tangible]

Oh Boy! Another thread on the Sabbath !

Yippeee!

This still exists: http://www.christianforums.com/t7444270/

 

[JamesAH]

Oh Boy! Another thread on the Sabbath !

Yep we don't have enough of those don't we

 

[Elder 111]

Oh Boy! Another thread on the Sabbath !

The Sabbath is the Ten commandments?

 

[Elder 111]

Did you ever notice the placement of Rom 3:31?

It came after 3 chapters od describing the unsaved.

So yes,the law will always stand as a disciplinarian,to lead to Christ.But then we are not under law(rom6:14),nor a pedagogue (gal 3:25).

As far as your rom 7 quote.It proves the point,morality can't come by the law.For the Christian,morality comes from the Spirit,not the law which is the power of sin.(1 cor 15:56).

Thank you.

The christian is not saved by keeping the law but the christian must keep the law. The law highlights our need of salvation through Christ and we demontrate our love to Christ by keeping the law. John 14:15

 

[wayseer]

The Sabbath is the Ten commandments?

Which set of 'ten commandments' did you have in mind? And, if you count, you might find more than 10 commandments. But that's OK - God, apparently, cannot count either!

 

[Elder 111]

Which set of 'ten commandments' did you have in mind? And, if you count, you might find more than 10 commandments. But that's OK - God, apparently, cannot count either!

You have restricted the Ten Commandments to the Sabbath. Why?

 

[Emmy]

Dear Elder 111. Yes, the 10 Commandments, God`s Law will stand for ever. When Jesus came he gave us 2 Commandments, they contain all what God gave us in His 10 Commandments. 1) Love God with all our hearts, all our souls, and all our minds. God is our Creator and Heavenly Father, God made us in His image, God is LOVE. 2) Love our neighbour, all others, friend or foe, love them as we love ourselves. We are the only ones on this Earth who can think and reason things out, we know the difference between ( selfless) loving and not loving, and since God made us in His image, we are made to use this trait. Jesus told us in Matthew, chapter 22, verses 37 - 40 on these 2 Commandments: ( love God and love all others) on these 2 Commandments hang all the law and all the the prophets. Therefore Love is the Greatest, and will last forever. St. Paul tells us in 1) Corinthians, chapter 13, verses 4 - 8 what love is and God wants from us. To be loving and forgiving, to be kind and considerate, to be long suffering, Not to be envious or seek our own will, etc. God`s Law stands forever, and also gives rewards for Good, and consequences for Not Good, I say this humbly with love, Elder. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[wayseer]

You have restricted the Ten Commandments to the Sabbath. Why?

Huh? I don't follow. I said nothing about the Sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

Huh? I don't follow. I said nothing about the Sabbath.

Sorry that was bbbbbbb.

There is only one ten commandments. Those written by God Himself.

 

[bugkiller]

The christian is not saved by keeping the law but the christian must keep the law. The law highlights our need of salvation through Christ and we demontrate our love to Christ by keeping the law. John 14:15

If you keep the law (Ten commandments) because you love God or to prove (demonstrate) you love God and I don't keep them (the sabbath) it must mean that I hate God. This is the anti-thesis of your statement. It is common for the next statement to be something on the order of you're not a christian. After all don't I love God? It then becomes a requirement and not optional. Obligation (requirement) is not love.

You need to read the next page where it says: John 15:10 (King James Version) If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.

Explain how My commandments and My Father's commandments are the same. The sentence structure will not allow them to be the same. If they are the same we have another problem, a doctrinal problem with the Trinity.

We know that Jesus kept the commandments (Jesus was and is sinless) and John 15:10 says Jesus kept His Father's commandments. It seems to me that the ten commandments are not the commandments issued by Jesus. So what are the commandments of Jesus? I need you to quote them, please.

I would like to address your thread title a little more. What do you mean by The Ten Commandments stands forever? We have a new chadash pronounced khaw-dawsh (Jer 31:31-33) covenant. Its mirror quote in Hebrews 8:8-13 says kainos covenant. Both mean new as in not previously. Verse 32 backs up this meaning of new with not according to. Not according to what? ...the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.

Jesus testifies that the new covenant is in existence in Mat 26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament (or covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Should you have a problem identifying the covenant talked about in Jeremiah please read Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

If we are obligated to the ten commandments, why does Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost (Spirit) tell us to throw out the law in Gal 4:30. Why does he also call the law a dead husband Rom 7:3, 4?

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

The christian is not saved by keeping the law but the christian must keep the law. The law highlights our need of salvation through Christ and we demontrate our love to Christ by keeping the law. John 14:15

Seems like the Spirit stands forever,that is permanent.The law was until..(gal 3.19.the Spirit came.

look at what was carved in stone (the 10)..look at what is perm. (the Spirit).

7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

 

[bugkiller]

1. Sin is the transgression of the law John 3:4. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God Romans 3:23. That all includes all that ever lived and will ever live. It therefore means that the law must always be there to convict of sin, to point out sin, for except the law said thou should not covet how would I have known? Romans 7:7

You have a selceted definition of sin. Sin was before the law Gal 3:19: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. This verse also states that the law had an expiration date till the seed should come.

2. What shall we be judge by except the law? If it is abolished there is no standard for judgment! There can be no Judgment! James 1:25 and 2:12

I think you are trying to establish the grace pusher is anomos. Not so. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. And Gal 5:16 -21. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

3. What did Jesus die for except for sinners who broke the law? If the law could have been abolished by God there would have been no need for Jesus to die. Remove the law and there would be no transgression, no sin.

This is the new covenant Jer 31:34. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jesus died so why remove the law? Jesus knowing what would come to pass stated before that not one dot of an “I” or the crossing of a “t” would pass from the law Matt. 5:17-18. Do you believe Jesus?

I certainly do! Luke 24:44. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Here Jesus explains exactly what all things where that must be fulfilled. And those things were limited to those things concerning me.

4. If the law was abolish by the disciples, why was the last of them John, still keeping the Sabbath?

You must be referring to Rev 1:10. Why would John suddenly switch from the word sabbaton which he used everywhere else to the word kuriakos (kuraike)? It makes no sense. Some say he was trying to slide something by the government which banished him to Patmos. Surely the government was not that ignorant. They would easily recognize the rest of the material was not in their favor. Paul uses the same term to address the Lord's supper in I Cor 11. Surely you would not interpret it to mean a feast to the emperor. The term kuraike was in common use long before Revelation was written. It was a common understanding among the Christians that it meant our day called Sunday even without the word hemera. Note Rev 1:10 says on the Lord's day. It does not say day of the Lord which has an entirely different meaning. If you have an explaination why he did not use the word sabbaton, I am interested.


bugkiller

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Nevertheless I like the 10 Commandments.

 

[bugkiller]

Nevertheless I like the 10 Commandments.

I do also.

bugkiller

 

[bbbbbbb]

You have restricted the Ten Commandments to the Sabbath. Why?

Actually, I have not. I intended to imply that, like so many other similar threads about the Ten Commandments the focus was headed toward the usual tirades about the fourth commandment.

By the way, did you allow your automobile license bureau to photograph you for a drivers' license?