The Symbolism of Freemasonry [MOVED FROM UNORTHODOX THEOLOGY]

[Albion]

Actually, shriners are like liberals... it IS a religion to them,
it IS their theology, and it IS what they worship.

Nope. It is none of those. The Shrine is a fraternity, a charitable organization, and a civic organization. Other than for the Masonic exclusion of atheists, it requires no religious doctrines of its members, has no theology, and conducts no worship services. Thanks for asking.

 

[Gospel Guy]

I see nothing in it that qualifies it as a religion.

That's what they say about liberals too... but they worship liberalism none the less.


The upper echelon of the masons are followers of the occult... which is public knowledge from former masonic cult members, some of whom have written books on the subject which you can search for if you are remotely interested in learning more... I hear they are always accepting new members

 

[Jipsah]

What is this statement based on?

Militant ignorance.

The Shrine is most certainly not religious. It is primarily a social and charitable club which requires you to be a Mason to join. I see nothing in it that qualifies it as a religion.

He doesn't know anything at all about the Shrine, but that doesn't stop him "knowing" that it's an evil pagan religious group, yessirree bob!

 

[Jipsah]

That's what they say about liberals too... but they worship liberalism none the less.

"Liberals" meaning anyone who doesn't follow your fairly neanderthal worldview.

The upper echelon of the masons are followers of the occult

I'll bet that's in the Bible, isn't it? If not, I'm sure you can find it there anyway.

... which is public knowledge from former masonic cult members, some of whom have written books on the subject which you can search for if you are remotely interested in learning more.

And while he's at it, he can learn about the Secret Satanical Cabal that rules the world, the Reptilian Aliens who rule the world, Chem Trails, Weather Control by HF Irradiation of the Ionosphere, Demons Operating Flying Saucers, ELF Mind Control, and any number of enlightening and entertaining revelations that are Public Knowledge, at least to the Publicly Delusional.

.. I hear they are always accepting new members

Maybe you could sign up and give us the *real* inside dope on what happens in there. Or you could just make it up, which is far easier, and is the usual technique of those who come up with "exposes" of Freemasonry.

 

[Albion]

That's what they say about liberals too... but they worship liberalism none the less.

But you aren't referring to actual worship. You're using the word in a journalistic sense to mean "devoted to" or something like that. You could also say that the Red Cross worships disaster relief or Conservatives worship personal freedom, etc.

The upper echelon of the masons are followers of the occult... which is public knowledge from former masonic cult members, some of whom have written books on the subject which you can search for if you are remotely interested in learning more

When a person says he has no evidence but that I can find some if I look, I know that he doesn't know himself.

I could, however, introduce you to the fellow who posted, on another forum, that the CIA runs the world and tells every national leader what to do, Obama included. No, he offered no evidence that that is true, either, but he's convinced because he read it somewhere.

 

[Gospel Guy]

When a person says he has no evidence but that I can find some if I look, I know that he doesn't know himself.

Go look on Amazon... there are numerous books published by former members who made it to the top, and/or worked with top leaders of this organization and devotion to satan is required according to these guys.

But, I understand... in a court of law we put people in prison based on credible witness testimony but you'd never believe anything bad about an organization you are obviously beholden to.

There will be a day when we find out that satan is THE conspiracy generator in this world seeking to kill, steal, and destroy just like Jesus Christ described him.

 

[Simpleman25]

Go look on Amazon... there are numerous books published by former members who made it to the top, and/or worked with top leaders of this organization and devotion to satan is required according to these guys.

But, I understand... in a court of law we put people in prison based on credible witness testimony but you'd never believe anything bad about an organization you are obviously beholden to.

There will be a day when we find out that satan is THE conspiracy generator in this world seeking to kill, steal, and destroy just like Jesus Christ described him.

Do yourself a favor and do some research on these former masons. They are only in it to make a buck.

They are so far removed from honesty its a shame they make money from it. Every former mason that has written a book has been proven to be more than dishonest. Their only aim was to make money.

 

[circuitrider]

Go look on Amazon... there are numerous books published by former members who made it to the top, and/or worked with top leaders of this organization and devotion to satan is required according to these guys.

As has been said above, such books aren't about the truth they are about making money. They are like the National Enquirer making up stories to sell.

I'm a Christian, a Christian clergyman, and a Mason. I can tell you that there is nothing unChristian or Satanic going on in the lodge. I have a pocket full of dues cards for most of the well known and not so well known Masonic organizations in the US. What we do is teach moral values, mutual support, and charitable activity in our communities.

The problem is that people would rather read the juicy false stories than they would the boring truth that we are just men's fraternal order out doing good.

 

[Albion]

Go look on Amazon.

If you have a point you want to make, present the data or the article you have in mind. There are so many lies about Freemasonry floating around out there, that if we were to run down all of them on behalf of those people who haven't bothered to inform themselves, we'd be doing almost nothing but that!

 

[Albion]

And I'm willing to add that I have read a number of these books...and they are filled with errors. I am not referring to matters of opinion where there could be some gray areas, but matters of fact where there are no two ways about it. Some of this stuff, incidentally, was SOOooo far from accurate that it makes one wonder if it was simply made up out of thin air. What's more I am not referring to alleged mysterious doings at the "higher" level that the ordinary Mason would not (again, allegedly) know anything about, but things that any standard Mason would have plenty of experience with. Why, just recently on these forums a woman insisted that her husband had to pay $25,000 as an initiation fee. That's what he told her, anyway, and she's sticking to it. Common sense will tell anyone that this is not credible.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Is the capstone and all seeing eye a symbol used by the mason's and why?

 

[circuitrider]

Is the capstone and all seeing eye a symbol used by the mason's and why?

The capstone is used in the Chapter Degrees of the York Rite as a symbol and relates to its use in the building arts and architecture as many Masonic symbols do.

The all seeing eye is usually just a representation of deity.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Which deity would it represent?

 

[circuitrider]

Which deity would it represent?

God.

 

[americanvet]

” To you, Sovereign Instructors of Grade 33, we tell you: you have to repeat to the brothers of inferior grades that we worship only one God to whom we pray without superstition. It is we, initiated in the Supreme Grade, that are to keep the real Masonic religion preserving pure the Lucifer doctrine. ” – Albert Pike

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[americanvet]

Here is the thing about books and websites. You name the topic and I can find both that support and vilify the groups/topic. You can also find frauds in most things as well. Here is a list of fake Masonic groups: Fake masonry.

Here is a list of people who have published books with known lies:
Anti-Masonic Examples: Jack Harris
Anti-Masonic Examples: Bill Schnoebelen - he was a vampire at one point but was cured.
Anti-Masonic Examples: Jim Shaw
Anti Masonic Examples: Pat Robertson

 

[Drudgeon]

Is the capstone and all seeing eye a symbol used by the mason's and why?

The evidence strongly suggests that there is no connection between the Great Seal and Freemasonry.

A Masonic source: Eye in the Pyramid

From a neutral website: Is the Pyramid & Eye a Masonic Symbol on the Great Seal and Dollar Bill?

This is one of those myths that just feels right to people, and therefore persists - a textbook example of Truthiness.

 

[circuitrider]

The evidence strongly suggests that there is no connection between the Great Seal and Freemasonry.

Is that where his questions were going? A capstone doesn't have anything to do with the seal.

 

[Albion]

The evidence strongly suggests that there is no connection between the Great Seal and Freemasonry.

A Masonic source: Eye in the Pyramid

From a neutral website: Is the Pyramid & Eye a Masonic Symbol on the Great Seal and Dollar Bill?

This is one of those myths that just feels right to people, and therefore persists - a textbook example of Truthiness.

I think it owes in part to the Vice President of the United States suggesting that it be incorporated into the design of the dollar bill back in the 1940s...and he happened to be a Mason. The eye and the unfinished pyramid were both in use long before then, as has been noted here, and did not originate with Masonry.

 

[Drudgeon]

Is that where his questions were going? A capstone doesn't have anything to do with the seal.

While I haven't read any official government description of the Great Seal that uses the term "capstone" (I have not researched this thoroughly), a Google search of "great seal capstone" shows that many people are using that term when discussing the Seal.