The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[yeshuasavedme]

Those who pride themselves in knowledge of “science so called”, cannot explain by any means what is, why is, and Who done it because there is no way to reconcile any theories of the creation to the “Science” of the Word “from the beginning” with any of the ever changing theories of those who consider themselves enlightened, who think to discount the Word from the beginning because they make an excuse that man was just not enlightened as they are in so called modern times, so the Creator just couldn’t ‘splain it to them as it really is", till men came to be “enlightened”.

In Genesis 1, the creation account as written by God, which Moses was privy to by the histories that came down from the fathers in written records which Moses used, leaves no room for “theories” that deny the entire supernatural creation by our Supernatural YHVH in 3 Persons (the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit), and the upholding of it, and the holding all things together of it by God the Word.

As to speed of light theories, they all begin with the denial of where light came from in the beginning of creation, which is “out there” now, but was not anywhere “out there” until God the Creator stretched out the heavens (which in Hebrew is “sha mayim” and means “two waters”) between the divided in two primal waters of the globe of His creation.
He stretched out the heavens on day 2 of creation week in three distinct layers/stories. Half the primal waters of creation are above them, as the Word states.
He also did not make the sun until day 4, nor the moon, and the stars.
So in the Bible stars are called angels, with personalities, and the Creator has named every one of them, and not one of them has ever, ever, failed says the Word.

 

[Hmm]

Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said it.

Whatever you say.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Whatever you say.

Paul said it. Read it.

 

[Hmm]

Paul said it. Read it.

I can't read.

 

[Jipsah]

Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, was taken on a tour of the entire heavens and shown the exact orbits of the sun, moon, and stars/constellations. He wrote their paths all down, as the angel showed him, and he gave the books to Methuselah, his son, to leave for his descendants.

But unfortunately all the stuff he was allegedly shon by the "holy angel" was observably, laughably, untrue.

And, FYI: the word of God states that the Creator has "set His temple in the sun".

And my dog Rosie likes to sit in the sun.

 

[Jipsah]

I can't read.

Dang

 

[Jipsah]

Those who pride themselves in knowledge of “science so called”, cannot explain by any means what is, why is, and Who done it

"What is" is what science is about. "Why is" is only scientifically significant as it relates to "what is". "Who done it" doesn't enter into the discussion at all, that's in the realm of religion or philosophy.

because there is no way to reconcile any theories of the creation to the “Science” of the Word “from the beginning” with any of the ever changing theories of those who consider themselves enlightened, who think to discount the Word from the beginning because they make an excuse that man was just not enlightened as they are in so called modern times, so the Creator just couldn’t ‘splain it to them as it really is", till men came to be “enlightened”.

Balderdash. "From the beginning" isn't relevant to how things behave right here and now. If you believe they behaved differently "in the beginning", demonstrate it. If not, then what are you babbling about?

In Genesis 1, the creation account as written by God, which Moses was privy to by the histories that came down from the fathers in written records which Moses used, leaves no room for “theories” that deny the entire supernatural creation by our Supernatural

Science doesn't deny supernatural creation, although many scientists may. Science cannot speak to the existence of anything outside nature, end of.

As to speed of light theories, they all begin with the denial of where light came from in the beginning of creation

Does where light came from have a measurable effect on what light is or how it behaves? If not, then science isn't interested.

which is “out there” now, but was not anywhere “out there” until God the Creator stretched out the heavens (which in Hebrew is “sha mayim” and means “two waters”) between the divided in two primal waters of the globe of His creation.

OK.

He stretched out the heavens on day 2 of creation week in three distinct layers/stories. Half the primal waters of creation are above them, as the Word states.

And how precisely does that bear on how fast light travels from point A to point B?

He also did not make the sun until day 4, nor the moon, and the stars.

Anmd that goes into the equation where?

So in the Bible stars are called angels, with personalities, and the Creator has named every one of them, and not one of them has ever, ever, failed says the Word.

Ships are all named as well and are all female. Science doesn't care.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

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Ships are all named as well and are all female. Science doesn't care.

Not relevant to scripture, which is true science.
And the named created stars answer to God. They battle evil in heaven and on earth, bring in the seasons on earth, and keep God’s true calendars ( at least 3 run in the heavens, simultaneously)
Even the lightnings answer to Him when He calls.
Job 38:4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
And verses:
34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?
35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you, ‘Here we are!’?

 

[prodromos]

Not relevant to scripture, which is true science

You were doing ok until you added the word "science"

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The Word of God declares that the earth is the center of the creation, and the heavens and earth are of a piece, and the heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 of creation week, between the divided in two waters of creation.
The early Church "Fathers" completely agree with the Word of God on the geocentric creation.

The Fathers on the Geocentric Cosmos
Scripture Catholic - GEOCENTRISM

Before there was a Church, Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote the book of cosmology revealing the paths of the sun, moon, and stars and how they bring in God's years from the beginning unto eternity in perfect justice, never changing and never deviating.

III. THE HOLY SPIRIT, INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE

109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.75

110 In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. "For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression."76

111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. "Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written."77

The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it.78

112 1. Be especially attentive "to the content and unity of the whole Scripture". Different as the books which compose it may be, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God's plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, open since his Passover.79
The phrase "heart of Christ" can refer to Sacred Scripture, which makes known his heart, closed before the Passion, as the Scripture was obscure. But the Scripture has been opened since the Passion; since those who from then on have understood it, consider and discern in what way the prophecies must be interpreted.80
113 2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church"81).

114 3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith.82 By "analogy of faith" we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.

The senses of Scripture

115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.

1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.84

2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".85

3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86

118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:

The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.87
119 "It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, towards a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgment. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God."88
But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.89
Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 1 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 3

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Job
26 Then Job replied:

2 “How you have helped the powerless!
How you have saved the arm that is feeble!
3 What advice you have offered to one without wisdom!
And what great insight you have displayed!
4 Who has helped you utter these words?
And whose spirit spoke from your mouth?

5 “The dead are in deep anguish,
those beneath the waters and all that live in them.
6 The realm of the dead is naked before God;
Destruction[a] lies uncovered.
7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space;
he suspends the earth over nothing.
8 He wraps up the waters in his clouds,
yet the clouds do not burst under their weight.
9 He covers the face of the full moon,
spreading his clouds over it.
10 He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters
for a boundary between light and darkness.
11 The pillars of the heavens quake,
aghast at his rebuke.
12 By his power he churned up the sea;
by his wisdom he cut Rahab to pieces.
13 By his breath the skies became fair;
his hand pierced the gliding serpent.
14 And these are but the outer fringe of his works;
how faint the whisper we hear of him!
Who then can understand the thunder of his power?”

 

[Daniel Marsh]

New International Version
Psalm 93
1 The Lord reigns, he is robed in majesty;
the Lord is robed in majesty and armed with strength;
indeed, the world is established, firm and secure.
2 Your throne was established long ago;
you are from all eternity.

3 The seas have lifted up, Lord,
the seas have lifted up their voice;
the seas have lifted up their pounding waves.
4 Mightier than the thunder of the great waters,
mightier than the breakers of the sea—
the Lord on high is mighty.

5 Your statutes, Lord, stand firm;
holiness adorns your house
for endless days.

figurative language

 

[Daniel Marsh]

‘The Principle’: Geocentrism is What Real Biblical Literalism Looks Like
This is an important question because the answer helps to shape our belief system and worldview, both of which have eternal consequences. The short answer to this question is “no.” Nowhere in the Bible are we told that the earth is at the center of the universe. For many centuries, however, people believed that Claudius Ptolemaeus (or Ptolemy) and others were correct when they advocated an earth-centered universe. It’s natural to trust “the experts,” such as Ptolemy; plus, the general human tendency is to view things primarily in relation to ourselves and our experiences. From our vantage point, the sun does seem to revolve around the earth.

Supporters of Ptolemy’s geocentric theory sometimes cited Scripture to prove their point, quoting passages such as Genesis 1:14–18, Psalm 104:5, Job 26:7, and Isaiah 40:22. Yet none of these passages state that God designed the universe with Earth at its center. The only way to find biblical “proof” for the geocentric theory was to conduct unwarranted extrapolations of the biblical descriptions. But we can understand why Copernicus and, later, Galileo, who posited the sun-centered (heliocentric) theory, caused such a controversy in the church. Many thought that heliocentricism contradicted the biblical teaching of geocentrism, even though God’s Word doesn’t say that the earth is at the center of anything. Sadly, as time went on and people came to understand that the earth does in fact revolve around the sun, many simply lost faith in God’s Word, because they had falsely been taught geocentrism as if it were biblical fact.

Scripture, not science, is the ultimate test of all truth. How ironic that science has never disproved one word of the Bible, yet many people cite “science” as their reason to walk away from God. The ever-changing theories of science come and go. Ptolemy was a fallible human, as are we all. The Word of God, however, is infallible, and it endures forever (Matthew 5:18). Any time there is a seemingly irreconcilable difference between the Bible and science, the Bible is where we need to place our faith. Given time, science usually catches up with the truth.
Does the Bible teach geocentrism? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Daniel Marsh]

"Second, they were influenced by the faulty translation of the raqia’ in the available Greek and Latin translations. Third, their geocentrism was Ptolemaic Geocentrism, while modern geocentrists actually hold the Tychonian (or Tychonic) hybrid geo-heliocentrist view (see below). Since no Church Father held this modern view, how can one quote them in support?"
Refuting absolute geocentrism - creation.com

No, the Bible does NOT Teach Geocentricity | Steve Schramm
Geocentrism and the Pitfalls of Over-literal Interpretation

 

[Jonaitis]

The Word of God declares that the earth is the center of the creation, and the heavens and earth are of a piece, and the heavens were stretched out from the earth on day 2 of creation week, between the divided in two waters of creation.
The early Church "Fathers" completely agree with the Word of God on the geocentric creation.

The Fathers on the Geocentric Cosmos
Scripture Catholic - GEOCENTRISM

Before there was a Church, Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote the book of cosmology revealing the paths of the sun, moon, and stars and how they bring in God's years from the beginning unto eternity in perfect justice, never changing and never deviating.

I'm sorry to inform you, but when the Scriptures presents a geocentric cosmology, you must remember that it originates from a phenomenological point of view, that is, through the eyes of an observer. Augustine taught that Genesis 1 was metaphorical, and had Christological allusions.

 

[The Liturgist]

Yet none of these passages state that God designed the universe with Earth at its center.

That being said, we actually can scientifically assert that the Earth is, from our perspective, the center of the Universe, provided we attach a caveat that everywhere else is, from its perspective, the center of the Universe, because of the Big Bang. The Universe, to be more precise, actually lacks a center, so every planet and star and galaxy and black hole that God allows to exist started out as one infinitely small singularity of spacetime, and then God said “Let there be light”, and the the Universe burst into life, expanding in space and time, with matter and then stars forming and reforming through supernovae, eventually producing enough heavy elements so that the Earth could support life created in the Image of God.

 

[Leaviathan]

The earth does not spin, revolve, rotate or tilt, but is fixed in its ordained place in the center of the heavens which were outstretched from it, on day 2 of creation week, between the divided in two waters of creation.

Yes it does, go up in one of Elon Musk's space ships and you'll see that it does. When life is discovered on other planets how are some of you going to explain that?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yes it does, go up in one of Elon Musk's space ships and you'll see that it does. When life is discovered on other planets how are some of you going to explain that?

The Scripture does not lie. From the beginning, "God's Word is true".
Everything that is in the heavens was not there until after God made this globe. He stretched out the heavens between the cut in two waters on day 2 of creation week.
Everything that exists in the stretched out heavens of at least 3 stories/layers is younger than the globe of primal waters, and everything that exists was finished by day 6 of creation week.
Are there living beings in the heavens? Yes. All kinds of angelic beings, a host of evil angels called Satans, with one chief: God's created temple ( set in the sun), mountains, chariots of fire, horses of fire, angels of fire, and Mount Eden, in the third story of the stretched out heavens, on the east of which is God's Paradise/ Garden.
The above is all in Scripture.

 

[Leaviathan]

The Scripture does not lie. From the beginning, "God's Word is true".
Everything that is in the heavens was not there until after God made this globe. He stretched out the heavens between the cut in two waters on day 2 of creation week.
Everything that exists in the stretched out heavens of at least 3 stories/layers is younger than the globe of primal waters, and everything that exists was finished by day 6 of creation week.
Are there living beings in the heavens? Yes. All kinds of angelic beings, a host of evil angels called Satans, with one chief: Gods created temple ( set in the sun), mountains, chariots of fire, horses of fire, angels of fire, and Mount Eden, in the third story of the stretched out heavens, on the east of which is God's Paradise/ Garden.
The above is all in Scripture.

The Earth is 4.6 billion years old, not 6,000. Ever hear of carbon dating? Human skulls have been found that are 233,000 years old. Like many Christians, I follow God and Science. It makes perfect sense.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm sorry to inform you, but when the Scriptures presents a geocentric cosmology, you must remember that it originates from a phenomenological point of view, that is, through the eyes of an observer. Augustine taught that Genesis 1 was metaphorical, and had Christological allusions.

Augustine had no authority to change the simple truth of the Word.
There was no stretched out heavens until day 2 of creation week (which word in Hebrew/ "Sha Mayim" means "two waters".
The globe of primal waters was created suspended/ hung in the firmament (of His powers), which were stretched out from the globe in stories/layers.
Above the heavens, the 1/2 of the created primal waters still circle the globe as the heavens do.