The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

[yeshuasavedme]

The geocentric model, however, did not begin with the Bible. It began with the Pagan Greek philosopher Claudius Ptolemy.

When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes....
The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up.
Don't you even read history?

 

[Keachian]

When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes....
The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up.
Don't you even read history?

History here being defined as whatever Yeshuasavedme thinks is correct at the time.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You have your timeline very skewed,
Israel was in slavery for about 290 years by my reckoning there is little evidence of there being so short a time between Joseph's Death and the Call of Moses.

From the promise given to Abraham in Genesis 15 to the law was 430 years.
Isaac was born to Abraham age 100, Jacob born to Isaac age 60.
Jacob entered Egypt age 127
the promise was 220 years before Jacob entered Egypt.


Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Moses was the son of Jochebed, daughter of Levi born to Levi "at the gates of Egypt".

Jochebed was the 70th soul counted as entering Egypt, but not numbered at the going in because she was in her mother's womb, as the history of the Jews so states.

What's Bothering Rashi? Parshat Bamidbar: Counted From Birth
RASHI
From one month of age and above - RASHI: When he leaves the category of a "stillborn" he is counted, to be called "guardian of the sacred watch." Rav Yehuda the son of Shalom said: This tribe (Levi) is regularly counted from the womb, as it is said (Numbers 26:59) ["And the name of Amram's wife was Yocheved the daughter of Levi] whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt." While entering the portals of Egypt she bore her (Yocheved) and she is counted among the 70 souls [who came down to Egypt] for, when one counts their total, one finds only 69, and she completed the total.

So Jochebed, daughter of Levi, born at the gates of Egypt, bore Moses who at age 82 led the children of Israel out of desolated Egypt.

Joseph ruled Egypt for 80 years, and under Joseph, Egypt rose to her glory and conquered her enemies. Jseph was 39 when Israel entered Egypt, and until after he died at age 110, Israel had the best of everything Egypt had to offer, and prospered and they blessed Egypt, aiding her in her wars with her enemies.



Jochebed was 128 when she bore Moses. Jochebed married her father's grandson, and her brother's son: Moses then, was counted Levi's generation, making four generations back to Isaac.

In the fourth generation Abraham's seed came to posses the promised land, and they were pilgrims in the earth until they entered the promised land, as promised, in the fourth generation.
Israel was in Egypt 210 years.
They were not slaves until after Joseph died, and that did not happen immediately, but by the time Miriam, named "bitter people" was born, their lives were made bitter by those who fared Israel's might, and tricked them into slavery, bit by bit...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

History here being defined as whatever Yeshuasavedme thinks is correct at the time.

You best read Josephus, for starters, on that, and read the history of the Greeks, for enders.

 

[Keachian]

From the promise given to Abraham in Genesis 15 to the law was 430 years.
Isaac was born to Abraham age 100, Jacob born to Isaac age 60.
Jacob entered Egypt age 127
the promise was 220 years before Jacob entered Egypt.


Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Moses was the son of Jochebed, daughter of Levi born to Levi "at the gates of Egypt".

Jochebed was the 70th soul counted as entering Egypt, but not numbered at the going in because she was in her mother's womb, as the history of the Jews so states.
So Jochebed, daughter of Levi, born at the gates of Egypt, bore Moses who at age 82 led the children of Israel out of desolated Egypt.

Joseph ruled Egypt for 80 years, and under Joseph, Egypt rose to her glory and conquered her enemies. Jseph was 39 when Israel entered Egypt, and until after he died at age 110, Israel had the best of everything Egypt had to offer, and prospered and they blessed Egypt, aiding her in her wars with her enemies.



Jochebed was 128 when she bore Moses. Jochebed married her father's grandson, and her brother's son: Moses then, was counted Levi's generation, making four generations back to Isaac.

In the fourth generation Abraham's seed came to posses the promised land, and they were pilgrims in the earth until they entered the promised land, as promised, in the fourth generation.
Israel was in Egypt 210 years.
They were not slaves until after Joseph died, and that did not happen immediately, but by the time Miriam, named "bitter people" was born, their lives were made bitter by those who fared Israel's might, and tricked them into slavery, bit by bit...

Gen 46:3-4 to the giving of the Law 430 years

 

[godenver1]

just heard last week that astronomers discovered that the farthest known galaxy in the universe is reflecting light from a galaxy beyond it.

You're welcome.

Wow. Do you have a link at all? Very interesting.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by sculleywr

The geocentric model, however, did not begin with the Bible. It began with the Pagan Greek philosopher Claudius Ptolemy.
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When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes....
The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up.
Don't you even read history?

Originally Posted by progmonk

History here being defined as whatever Yeshuasavedme thinks is correct at the time.
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quote yeshuasavedme You best read Josephus, for starters, on that, and read the history of the Greeks, for enders.

Josephus, Against Appion online: the Greeks were nothing when Solomon reigned in magnificent glory from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean...


The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, War of the Jews, Flavius Josephus Against Apion

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Gen 46:3-4 to the giving of the Law 430 years

Paul, a scholar in possession of the writings, said exactly what Torah says when one adds up the ages: "from the promise to the law was 430 years".

Israel was not enslaved in Egypt until after Joseph died, and the total time Israel was in Egypt was 210 years, making the promise 220 years before they entered.

The promise is in Genesis 15, after Abraham chased and took back from Amraphael/Nimrod and the 3 kings with him all that they had looted.
Isaac born to Abraham age 100, 13 + years after the promise.

Jacob born to Isaac age 60
Jacob entered Egypt age 127
220 years to the entry into Egypt from the promise.

Jochebed born at the gates of Egypt [ when Jacob was 127]
Moses born to Jochebed age 128
Moses leads Israel out age 82
=Israel in Egypt 210 years.

From the promise to the law was 430 years.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Moses was the son of Jochebed, daughter of Levi born to Levi "at the gates of Egypt".

Jochebed was the 70th soul counted as entering Egypt, but not numbered at the going in because she was in her mother's womb, as the history of the Jews so states.

What's Bothering Rashi? Parshat Bamidbar: Counted From Birth
RASHI
From one month of age and above - RASHI: When he leaves the category of a "stillborn" he is counted, to be called "guardian of the sacred watch." Rav Yehuda the son of Shalom said: This tribe (Levi) is regularly counted from the womb, as it is said (Numbers 26:59) ["And the name of Amram's wife was Yocheved the daughter of Levi] whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt." While entering the portals of Egypt she bore her (Yocheved) and she is counted among the 70 souls [who came down to Egypt] for, when one counts their total, one finds only 69, and she completed the total.
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Genesis 15: the promise:


15 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
7 And he said unto him, I am the Lord that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8 And he said, Lord God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

Unfortunately, Abraham went home and took Hagar to wife at Sarah's suggestion, to get seed, and had Ishmael, and not quite 14 years later, the child of promise was born....
Ishmael was circumcised age 13. Isaac was conceived and born within the same year.


When God gave the promise in Genesis 15, Abraham had no seed -Ishmael was not born- and we know that Ishmael was 13 when Isaac was born, so the promise was at least 13 years before Isaac, in that Ishmael was not born, or thought to be conceived, if he even was, for Abraham had no seed in Genesis 15, when the promise was made, but Isaac was born 13 years later, and 220 years after the promise, Israel entered Egypt to remain there for 210 years, before the giving of the Law at Sinai.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Are you saying that the sun is a representation of Jesus Christ, the Son of God??--And Jesus then is the light bearer, not the actual light, that gives us the light of God??--I'm not sure I've got you right

You have it a bit skewed, but if you would just search the Scriptures, you would get it straight, if you have a heart to seek and learn what the Word teaches.
The sun is a parable of the body of Christ come in flesh, as the Glory of God and our "Light".
The moon is a parable of the believers, who have no light of their own but what they receive in measure from the "Sun" of righteousness, and the dark side is a parable of the unbelievers who are in darkness.

The Word of God has a lot to say about the second man creation human being body of flesh prepared in the womb of the virgin that Christ is come incarnate in, which He donned/put on like one dons a garment, so as to be our Kinsman/Redeemer [Isaiah 59], and which body of New Man creation and the Firstborn Son of God flesh is the Foundation Stone for the second temple made to bear the glory of the Unseen Father of Glory.

You also might like to study the Scriptures on just what the Sun is, for the Word declares that the created temple of God set in the created heavens is the sun, itself -and yes, it types the body Christ is come in flesh in, and yes," He sits in His temple in heaven which is the circle of the earth and looks down upon the inhabitants of the earth, who are "like grasshoppers in His sight"


The sun itself is a shadow of the body made for/prepared on the fourth millennial day for Christ to come incarnate in.
He is the Light and the Glory of the unseen Father.

He is the Sun of Righteousness.
sun of righteousness

Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Isaiah 60: Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
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. 19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Exo 12:40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

As the Word says: they did not dwell in Egypt for 430 years, however, as they spring from Abraham's loins, they were sojourning -pilgrims and strangers- while yet in Abraham, from the time of the promise; for they did not inherit the land until the prophesied time.
As Paul, who read Torah said: "from the promise to the Law was 430 years"

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If I shot a gun at you, would believing prevent the bullet in the chamberfrom hitting you?

We looked at the sun. It's huge! Here is what it looks like through a telescope:

Actually, you do not see "the sun", and man has no idea what size the "Core/body" of it is, they cannot measure it.
You can see activities of the electric sun, but you have no idea the size of it's actual body.

And as to the sun: God set His created temple in it, as He says in His word. It is made of tessellated/cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire/angels/forces -I have a thread about that:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7259341-6/

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The earth stands still and is hollow.
I heard two women say that was the most Biblical literal interpretation.

The belly of the earth is Sheol, and it is "hollows", for holding the fallen chained angels and the souls of the unrepentant; and before the resurrection, for holding the souls of the righteous, who ascended with Christ and are now in Paradise above, where all justified redeemed souls go to when they depart the flesh, to await their resurrection bodies.

The word "Sheol/Hell" is from the root etymons for "hollow".
Sheol also enlarges herself to make room for more souls fed to her by the Satan named Death/Abaddon.

Isa 5:14 Therefore Sheol/hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.


The belly of the earth is a very real hollow, with separate chambers for those held there.

Interesting that the tsunami that killed at least a quarter million souls a few years ago was caused by that great earthquake that raised the ocean floor in the Indian ocean a great bit -I think a mile, but would have to research. That is a good bit of enlarging, indeed! of earth's "hollows"

 

[SG9]

Hi sister,

I myself am sensitive to this particular thought of this parallel and what Christ is represented by so I'd like to comment in particular to the underlined in the quote.

First-off, if Christ be symbolized by the Sun then, He cannot be the Light Bearer, alone, and without the Glory of the Father that gives the Sun (in metaphor) His Illumination, and that's confusing the Light bulb and the Electricity that makes it glow in Glory, and in the darkness; their cannot be any Illumination of Glory if a false glory or a broken light bulb already exists. The light bearer is the light bulb, while the Father be the Electricity that is Spirit in this model, so then yes, Jesus is the Light bearer as the Light bulb of the world because the bulb is the flesh, and the Glory be the Spirit.

The Two Witnesses are as two Light bulbs that were removed from the socket and crushed in the streets, and under the heels of pagans who made merry and sent gifts, one unto another, and this is speaking of both literal gifts and gifts of a false spirit that is manifested in flesh as the false prophet which is a spirit that takes up after the works of the papacy.

Jesus was in flesh, and He came to our level of hell on earth to Bear His Light unto the world. He is also Lord of the Sabbath, and as the Single Eye that illuminates through the entire branches of the Vine in the same fashion as man's fiber optic cable. Man copies YHWH's creations in bizarre parallel's as man's 'works' are manifested on the earth where he stores up his treasures in darkness.

Science can help us to understand the same spiritual physics and anatomy of the Divine plan, and man invented the light bulb when YHWH turned out the Light. Christ ascended into the heaven for a time and while He is away, we are as children in bed, and tucked in nicely with the light turned out.

The Light turns-on when He is Glorified here on earth as He will bear the Light once again in Glorified Flesh as it is the only way to be that fiber optic branch so to graft us into the Vine. It's quite the same in comparison.

Thanks (this post has been edited to add more details)

Are you saying that the sun is a representation of Jesus Christ, the Son of God??--And Jesus then is the light bearer, not the actual light, that gives us the light of God??--I'm not sure I've got you right--if that is true, then Jesus Christ, the Son of Almighty God is not the center of our galaxy--our solar system, we--represented by the earth- are the center. And that is according to Enoch, who got it from God. Did I get that right??

So are you then saying that Jesus/God (the sun) revolves around us (the earth) which is not as we've been led to believe which is-- We (the earth) who revolve around God (the sun)??

I just sort of prefer to have my world and my life revolve around God, the Father and Jeus Christ, His Son. It is His light that draws us to Him and saves us. I can't see us drawing ourselves to Him so He can save us. He is knocking on our door--we are not knocking on His.
Do you accept the rest of the bible as scripture, or just the book of Enoch?

 

[SG9]

The belly of the earth is Sheol, and it is "hollows", for holding the fallen chained angels and the souls of the unrepentant; and before the resurrection, for holding the souls of the righteous, who ascended with Christ and are now in Paradise above, where all justified redeemed souls go to when they depart the flesh, to await their resurrection bodies.

The word "Sheol/Hell" is from the root etymons for "hollow".
Sheol also enlarges herself to make room for more souls fed to her by the Satan named Death/Abaddon.

Isa 5:14 Therefore Sheol/hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.


The belly of the earth is a very real hollow, with separate chambers for those held there.

Interesting that the tsunami that killed at least a quarter million souls a few years ago was caused by that great earthquake that raised the ocean floor in the Indian ocean a great bit -I think a mile, but would have to research. That is a good bit of enlarging, indeed! of earth's "hollows"

Concerning this pit or Sheol in question: the problem with all of this is that the world is self-exalted and envisions itself to be one step higher than we really are; it's a simple matter of rightly dividing the three heavens, and using the parallel model of the human head we can then see how this works. The line is above our head, and on top in this model; we are in the earth as the image depicts by prophecy. We are standing on spiritual high-heeled shoes, and the top of our heads are above the clouds, and specifically the ground as we are dead and in the grave-Hades/Sheol.

We then take-on the parallel image of a monster in which the Frankenstein is mocking in man's fantasies. The monster has a flat top head, and THICK soled (soul'd) shoes to illustrate this spiritual phenomenon; the difference of the missing portion on top, and the increase in height at the feet is shifting the entire body up and out of the grave just enough for us to have the tops of our mind's exhumed while the rest of it remain in the tomb or womb as in parallel to partial-birth abortions. It's a spiritual abortion. He really has no brain of his own, it flew off into the heavens so then man must look backwards and down and upside down to see the truth and yet all that he sees is convincing enough that all is well in the spirit world by his flipped judgment of the natural world.

The scriptures give specific clues as how the Heavens are settled in their places when Yeshua returns to reign on earth in Flesh, which is the New Jerusalem, BTW, He comes with ALL of the angels in Heaven, and they are with Him to minister to Him, His every need, and every request of the Holy Spirit in Him, and He comes to prepare the Bride, literally by both the natural teachings which create a new Spirit by the Holy Spirit spoken from Him, and the mouths of babes who learn, also unto others. As I said before, all of this hashing of the prophecies is as mutilating the body of Christ while we await His return but He can't while He and the Father lay dead in the streets as the heels of the serpent's offspring crush Their Heads, instead.

Christ comes to crush the head of the serpent, and that is the bottom line; the head is trodden down to it's proper level, just under the line, and that line is above our head or otherwise, if we continue to stand on high-heeled shoes the top (Upper room) First-Heaven flies off like a Saucer, and man's mind creates a world of fantasy, and fiction, which is manifested in an illusion of his reality. Man creates what is in his heart, which is fruit, and he himself, and other's eat of it, and they become deceived by their own works.

All of this hashing is rejecting Christ's return as you literalize the spiritual things and spiritualize the literal things, such as confusing the Light with the Light Bulb. This is as confusing the Son with the Father, and in parallel to Enoch's prophecy, the Sun and the Moon are switching places in various steps and events as he describes many things in metaphor, and these all relate to the same: the man and woman, Father and Son, Father with Mother, Earth with Man, then Cross is inverted! This is what Christ will correct as all of these turn about to their proper relative, and then their 'eye' shall see Him as their fiber optic branch is unblocked and the Light Shines through to the End of the branch.

Christ promises them who believe on Him that they will receive a new Mind and Spirit like His, and they shall be washed in His Blood and have Pure Minds so that they appear Beautiful and Worthy for the Wedding that is to occur after this gets settled so I suggest to get on the Band Wagon or be left in the dust. The serpent will be eating the dust that remains once he is transformed from the roaring lion (counterfeiting the Lion of the Tribe of Judah) and into that level where he is as a serpent on his belly, and he will devour even those left behind in the dust as they become the dust by death.

I love you dearly and say this for your edification and glory. Thanks

Edit: The confusion in our height causes our body to raise up, while exhuming the top portion of our mind which is the First heaven and spiritual Upper room where the Father should be on His Throne. God is the ten commandment law and we may see this illustrated in the effect of raising one step above our level. I compare to the Ten commandments in Order as follows:

This is the proper order, and represents our height relative to the line/ground-plane just above our head in the image,
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1 Represents Father-first love
2 Represents Son-second love
3 Represents fruit of first two laws of love=Holy Spirit (these first three are the three heavens in parallel to our head in three levels.
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

Then, when we cheat in our height we stand on our toes exposing our heads to enemy fire, and the tops are blown off, so to speak, and the whole body/church/individual moves upward, which causes the top "1" to fall off and to the bottom where it is added the the 10 toes, and ten commandments in parallel's. This tipping on toes causes the "2" to take the throne and kick the "1" under the Throne. The Ten commandments are an image of the Throne in numerical order as I illustrate, and all commandments rotate in order upwards like a chain and the links/laws being moved on the Cross.

This is also illustrating to me that the Father is cast down from His throne, and He ends up on the ground with the 10 toes Gentile nation, while also taking on the image of John His beloved who remained at the foot of the Cross. This bumps off John from his true known identity while the power of the Father, and His authority is also cast down with Him and dispensationed among the three woman and John who are there at the same level; the Father is also replaced by a woman who becomes a surrogate mother to the Son. History and Prophecy repeats, again.

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2 Represents Christ, second love & commandment
3 Holy Spirit is now spiritualized in mind rather than understanding tongues and it's nature in man
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11 The addition of the "1" makes THICK soled shoes & heaviness in Yoke/Spirit, a limp in stride-bad leg.

The body now stands on 11 commandment theology while still appearing the same amount by count in measure by man's equations, and measures, and judgments of the natural things. This is why the sole's of the Frankenstein monster's shoes are thick and his head is flat on top. It forms another image of God that is reformed and counterfeit. It's the same as an inverted Cross, or turned backward, or fallen, or collapsed as each function of the Cross illustrates certain events in history and the nature of man, and all that we want to know.

 

[sculleywr]

When the Torah was written, the Greeks were nothing, and when Solomon's kingdom was in its glory, the Greeks were just a lowly group of shepherd tribes.... The Torah was written long before the Greeks rose up. Don't you even read history?

And a reading of the tanakh shows a heliocentric understanding of the Torah in the Jews.

Besides, even HAD they been geocentric, it is foolish for those of us who have SEEN the heliocentrism of the solar system to reject it

 

[sculleywr]

Actually, you do not see "the sun", and man has no idea what size the "Core/body" of it is, they cannot measure it. You can see activities of the electric sun, but you have no idea the size of it's actual body. And as to the sun: God set His created temple in it, as He says in His word. It is made of tessellated/cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire/angels/forces -I have a thread about that: http://www.christianforums.com/t7259341-6/

Funny. I looked at it through those special lenses. Been there done that. Yep, that's the sun, as I can tell through first hand eyewitness

Don't tell me what I have and haven't seen. I know what I've seen

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes, thank you, I do think that the "sojourning" is from when they come down to Israel out of Canaan (Gen 47) till when they left in Exodus (12:33ff) and so the time of enslavement would be smaller than in Ex 12:40

Right, as the enslavement didnt occur until after the death of Joseph--and they had been very busy "multiplying!"---But--do you mean when they came down to Egypt?--You wrote Israel.

Exo 1:8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.

Gen 47:4 They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine is sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.

Act 7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.

Act 7:17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,

I can find no verse where Paul says from the promise to the land was 430 years. Acts 7:6 says "they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years."


Which sounds like Paul is saying they were enslaved for 400 years.

And knowing, or not knowing the planetary alignment, nor exactly how long the Jews were enslaved, is in anyway a determining factor of who is saved and who isn't.

 

[mmksparbud]

All this talking about the Sun representing Jesus is giving me the uneasy feeling that when all those Pagans were worshiping the sun--they were right???!!!!

 

[Keachian]

Right, as the enslavement didnt occur until after the death of Joseph--and they had been very busy "multiplying!"---But--do you mean when they came down to Egypt?--You wrote Israel.

yep, my goof

I can find no verse where Paul says from the promise to the land was 430 years. Acts 7:6 says "they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years."


Which sounds like Paul is saying they were enslaved for 400 years.

And knowing, or not knowing the planetary alignment, nor exactly how long the Jews were enslaved, is in anyway a determining factor of who is saved and who isn't.

Gal 3:17 is the verse that YSM is referring to, my notes say that Paul is either using a Septuagint variant that adds "And in Canaan" to Ex 12:40 or that he's counting from 46:3-4 where God affirms the Covenant to Jacob before he goes down into Egypt, this second interpretation is somewhat more problematic with the Greek however Paul's emphasis on the oneness of the offspring to which the Promise is made could be used to further substantiate the idea that it's Gen 46:3-Ex 12:40 that comprise the 430 years in Paul's mind, also internal consistency of Scripture and the growth of the Israelites would be the last two points that need to come into our understasnding of what's going on here.

 

[sculleywr]

Actually, you do not see "the sun", and man has no idea what size the "Core/body" of it is, they cannot measure it.
You can see activities of the electric sun, but you have no idea the size of it's actual body.

And as to the sun: God set His created temple in it, as He says in His word. It is made of tessellated/cut crystal [diamonds] and pillars of fire/angels/forces -I have a thread about that:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7259341-6/

I don't care how many threads you have about a statement. False is false. I have looked at the sun through a UV-blocking lens on a telescope in an observatory that is literally down the street from where I live.

We know the size of it because we have launched satellites out into space, some at the sun itself.

We know more about the sun than we know about the things at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean!

Also, to your hollow earth theory:

Not possible. Hell does not need to be a physical place because the angels have no physical bodies of their own nature. When they interact with us humans, they do so in a way we understand, which is in physical bodies. However, the Scripture refers to them as "spirits". The most obvious of these is in the Psalms:
‘Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire.’

Angels are referred to as Dunamai Noeticos (bodiless powers) in the Church, because they have no physical being. Therefore, hell need not be a physical place.

Sheol, which is different from hell, is different as well. Sheol is the Hebrew term for the grave. This is the word translated as hades in the Greek. Modern Christians only understand the term hades in relation to the mythical story of the Greek god Hades, who takes the souls of the damned to his dwelling place. This has led to a confusion between hades and gehenna. Gehenna is hell, hades is not. Hades is just the grave. It is where all the dead went before Christ. Those who died in service to God awaited the time when Christ would conquer death, opening the gates of the grave and bringing all into Paradise with Him.

But since men have no physical bodies after death (those are only given at the Judgement), there need be no physical location for Sheol to exist in, nor is there a need for a physical location to paradise.

And really, boiling God down to being small enough to fit inside the sun? That sounds like Ancient Greek mythology to me. Is the sun pulled by a chariot across the sky, too?