The Sun Revolves Around The Earth: Scripture Cannot Lie

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
Plewase keep the flat earth accusation out of this in relation to this thread's statement that the Scriptures do not lie. The Scriptures state the earth is a globe, for the Hebrew word תבֵל /tebel means "globe"

1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
Hebrew תבֵל /tebel means "globe" -from the B-L etymons which denote swelling, and from those etymons we get words like "belly, ball, bulb, bell, balloon", and so on and so forth.
Only ignorance of the Word itself would cause a person to state that the world is flat, and only willful ignorance of the Word itself causes a person to deny the Truth of Scripture that states the heavens circle the earth and that the sun rises and sets around the globe following its own peculiar path in the circle/heavens of the earth...

As to the corners of earth: you need to go to the Hebrew to discover the truth of it and stop interpreting based on translators mis-understandings:
The word is not
מַקְצֻעָה mĕquts`ah -corner posts:
but כָּנָף kanaph wings

So you have the four borders of the earth, which relates to the four winds: North, South, East, and West. They have points of origin from which points they go over all the earth....
Enoch flatly states that the winds are the pillars of the earth and the heavens, and those are powers/forces having specific points of rest, from which they disperse.

The KJV translates Strongs H3671 in the following manner: wing (74x), skirt (14x), borders (2x), corners (2x), ends (2x), feathered (2x), sort (2x), winged (2x), misc (8x).

I'm sorry, but disconnecting flat earth insanity from Geo-centric insanity is, well, useless. Both are willfully ignorant of things we can literally look at.

Your video man has no grasp on science or mathematics. I listened. I teach the sciences to people as an assistant to our biology department in a Christian university. He makes up crap to support an ill-conceived and vastly disproven theory. You know how tiny we are? Our entire galaxy, which looks like this:

(Our sun is the little dot "Our Solar System" is pointing at)

That ginormous collection of MILLIONS of stars is only a speck in the center of the next picture:

That is only a map of what we can SEE! That doesn't include all the things we can't see.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 21, 2014

sculleywr said:
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We have been in space. We have seen the earth from the moon. We have done the math and got our men back based on a mobile earth.

The earth simply is not massive enough to keep the sun in orbit, much less 9 planets and the rest of the galaxy, including stars that are bigger than our entire solar system

You err:
NASA programs our space ships using the geocentric earth co-ordinates.
Stars are not so large as you are led to believe, and they are also angels/powers/forces, created by God to bring in the seasons and to store up His hailstones for war, and to bring the rains -and floods, in their seasons.

Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.

Judges 5:
18 Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.
19 The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.
20They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.
21 The river of Kishon swept them away, that ancient river, the river Kishon. O my soul, thou hast trodden down strength.

In the Word: the sun is not a star, but is a Menorah/candlelabra in which God has set His created temple, which is built of pillars of fire and "tesssalated crystals" [cut diamonds]; and planets are wandering stars with no light in them.
Earth does not wander and is not a star.

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
You err:
NASA programs our space ships using the geocentric earth co-ordinates.

You may not be a liar, but that is a lie. If they did, they would not work. Why do we know this? They TRIED. Within three days of ignoring General and Special Relativity, the GPS satellites thought that people in Florida were standing in the middle of Tokyo.

Stars are not so large as you are led to believe, and they are also angels/powers/forces, created by God to bring in the seasons and to store up His hailstones for war, and to bring the rains -and floods, in their seasons.

Have you ever seen a star? The Sun is a star. It's only a medium size star.

For your viewing pleasure, a song about the sun, telling exactly what it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JdWlSF195Y

Keachian · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
Do you hate the bible?
I never seen anyone calling themselves a Christian mock the bible so much.

Mocking the silliness of certain threads of literalism is not mocking the Bible. There are two doctrines that literalism to the point of Geo-centrism and militant creationism deny outright;
The condescension of God to us in revelation
The perspicuity of Scripture

These two are linked, the denial of God condescending to our understanding attacks the clarity of Scripture. While God could have brought us to a scientific knowledge of his creation before he revealed himself to us he didn't because his emphasis is not so much on us knowing his creation but knowing him.

JacobLaw · Apr 21, 2014

The foolishness of science falsely called mocks the bible and truth dragging its shame around until it faces the judgments for rejecting the words of God.
The unbelief that the heliocentric deception has created can only be done by the prince of the power of the air the god of this world.

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
The foolishness of science falsely called mocks the bible and truth dragging its shame around until it faces the judgments for rejecting the words of God.
The unbelief that the heliocentric deception has created can only be done by the prince of the power of the air the god of this world.

If it is true, go into orbit using the geo-centric coordinates that Yeshuasavedme says that NASA uses. Let me know what the weather is like on the random asteroid you finally park on because you missed the earth's schedules flight plan.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 21, 2014

sculleywr said:
IYou know how tiny we are? Our entire galaxy, which looks like this:
...
That is only a map of what we can SEE! That doesn't include all the things we can't see.

You slander me by accusing me of being a flat earther, which I have shown twice , now, that the Word of God teaches the world is a globe...please do not lie about what the Word of God says or about what I say..even remove your offensive slander, please, and try to actually discuss, instead of slandering me or my beliefs and falsely accusing me and your slander of the geocentic teaching of Sungenis is equally offensive. your are very much in error about anything being debunked that the Word of God states flat out as truth.

the entire heavens of this present creation were even not there on day 1, adn were not stretched out from this earth's globe of waters until day 2 of creation week.
The heavens are the stretched out "issue" from this earth's beginning creation, as Scripture does state....

I am sorry you teach in a Christian university and do not even have a grasp on the truth of the Word of God from the beginning.

Next: you have never, ever seen the things mapped on your charts, they are representative images and not true pictures, and if you were outside the atmosphere, you could not see one of those stars nor the sun, without special filters, for they are not visible to the naked eye outside the atmosphere....
And to end: spiral galaxies can be created/scaled
in a vacuum in a laboratory.
When God said "Let there be light, and there was light", the electromagnetic forces of the creation were brought into being.
On day 2, God stretched out the firmament/heavens/sha-mayim between the divided in two waters/mayim of this globe's creation, stretching them out between the divided in two waters of creation.

Electric Galaxies | holoscience.com | The Electric UniverseThe Electric Galaxy

The scandalous truth is that there is a model of spiral galaxy formation that has long been demonstrated by laboratory experiment and particle in cell (PIC) simulations on a supercomputer. But instead of using stars, gas and dust as the particles, subject to Newtons laws, the particles are charged and respond to the laws of electromagnetism. This seems like an obvious approach when we know that more than 99.9 percent of the visible universe is in the form of plasma. Plasma is a gas influenced by the presence of charged atoms and electrons. Plasma responds to electromagnetic forces that exceed the strength of gravity to the extent that gravity can usually be safely ignored. This simple fact alone suggests why gravitational models of galaxies must fail.
The plasma universe may be eternal and infinite, directly contradicting the Big bang model. In this picture, swirling streams of electrons and ions form filaments that span vast regions of space. Where pairs of these filaments interact the particles gain energy and at narrow pinch regions produce the entire range of galaxy types as well as the full spectrum of cosmic electromagnetic radiation. Thus galaxies must lie along filaments, as they are observed to do on a large scale. The bulk of the filaments are optically invisible from a distance, much like the related Birkeland currents that reach from the Sun and cause auroras on Earth. Credit: A. Peratt, Plasma Cosmology, 1992.

The simplest geometry for galaxy formation is two adjacent Birkeland currents of width 35 kiloparsecs separated by 80 kiloparsecs. The interaction region, and hence the thickness of a galaxy is 10 kpc. By scaling the current flows in astronomical objects by size, it is determined that the average flow in a galactic Birkeland current is approximately 1019 amperes; the Alfvén galactic current. The synchrotron radiated power is of the order of 1037 watts, that is, the power recorded from double radio galaxies.
These images from a supercomputer simulation trace the development of spiral structure in two interacting plasma blobs over a span of nearly 1 billion years. At the start of the interaction at upper left the filaments are 260,000 light-years apart; all 10 panels are reproduced at the same scale. Simulations such as this can reproduce the full range of observed spiral galaxy types using electromagnetic processes rather than gravitational ones. Credit: A. Peratt, Plasma Cosmology, 1992.

And so that there can be no objection, the computer simulations have been backed up by experiments in the highest energy density laboratory electrical dischargesthe Z-pinch machine. The experiments verify each stage in development of the PIC simulations. This important work demonstrates that the beautiful spiral structure of galaxies is a natural form of plasma instability in a universe energized by electrical power.

To be clear: I use the proof of the electric universe from sites that do the science, which correlates with Genesis, but their opinions on the age of the universe are not Biblical, nor do they try to be biblical in any form or fashion...I do not even know if any of them claim to be Christians.

JacobLaw · Apr 21, 2014

progmonk said:
Mocking the silliness of certain threads of literalism is not mocking the Bible. There are two doctrines that literalism to the point of Geo-centrism and militant creationism deny outright;
The condescension of God to us in revelation
The perspicuity of Scripture

These two are linked, the denial of God condescending to our understanding attacks the clarity of Scripture. While God could have brought us to a scientific knowledge of his creation before he revealed himself to us he didn't because his emphasis is not so much on us knowing his creation but knowing him.

However many Christians faith find the substance and evidence base on the clear undisputable geocentric position, it is axiomatic and not arguable regardless of condescending understanding some may want to portray it as.
Therefore we are force to ignore the ignorance some willingly choose.

Keachian · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
However many Christians faith find the substance and evidence base on the clear undisputable geocentric position, it is axiomatic and not arguable regardless of condescending understanding some may want to portray it as.
Therefore we are force to ignore the ignorance some willingly choose.

Faith is a gift from God not a self-delusion.

JacobLaw · Apr 21, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
You slander me by accusing me of being a flat earther, which I have shown twice , now, that the Word of God teaches the world is a globe...please do not lie about what the Word of God says or about what I say..even remove your offensive slander, please, and try to actually discuss, instead of slandering me or my beliefs and falsely accusing me and your slander of the geocentic teaching of Sungenis is equally offensive. your are very much in error about anything being debunked that the Word of God states flat out as truth.

the entire heavens of this present creation were even not there on day 1, adn were not stretched out from this earth's globe of waters until day 2 of creation week.
The heavens are the stretched out "issue" from this earth's beginning creation, as Scripture does state....

I am sorry you teach in a Christian university and do not even have a grasp on the truth of the Word of God from the beginning.

Next: you have never, ever seen the things mapped on your charts, they are representative images and not true pictures, and if you were outside the atmosphere, you could not see one of those stars nor the sun, without special filters, for they are not visible to the naked eye outside the atmosphere....
And to end: spiral galaxies can be created in a vacuum in a laboratory.
When God said "Let there be light, and there was light", the electromagnetic forces of the creation were brought into being.
On day 2, God stretched out the firmament/heavens/sha-mayim between the divided in two waters/mayim of this globe's creation, stretching them out between the divided in two waters of creation.

It seems to be his modus operandi, never underestimate the ability of someone to justify anything.

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

yeshuasavedme said:
You slander me by accusing me of being a flat earther, which I have shown twice , now, that the Word of God teaches the world is a globe...please do not lie about what the Word of God says or about what I say..even remove your offensive slander, please, and try to actually discuss, instead of slandering me or my beliefs and falsely accusing me and your slander of the geocentic teaching of Sungenis is equally offensive. your are very much in error about anything being debunked that the Word of God states flat out as truth.

the entire heavens of this present creation were even not there on day 1, adn were not stretched out from this earth's globe of waters until day 2 of creation week.
The heavens are the stretched out "issue" from this earth's beginning creation, as Scripture does state....

I am sorry you teach in a Christian university and do not even have a grasp on the truth of the Word of God from the beginning.

Next: you have never, ever seen the things mapped on your charts, they are representative images and not true pictures, and if you were outside the atmosphere, you could not see one of those stars nor the sun, without special filters, for they are not visible to the naked eye outside the atmosphere....
And to end: spiral galaxies can be created in a vacuum in a laboratory.
When God said "Let there be light, and there was light", the electromagnetic forces of the creation were brought into being.
On day 2, God stretched out the firmament/heavens/sha-mayim between the divided in two waters/mayim of this globe's creation, stretching them out between the divided in two waters of creation.

Actually I have We have these things called telescopes. They let us look at them. The bigger the scope, the farther you can see.

Also, spiral galaxies cannot be created in a laboratory. I LIVE in laboratories.

Here is an explanation of electromagnetism:
Electrostatic Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMnsZuEE_m8
Magnetic Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy6kba3A8vY

SG9 · Apr 21, 2014

Another thought based on one of my earlier posts about the Incredible Shrinking Man idea with actually a shrinking mind as in the shrunken head myths. The idea of the universe expanding could then prove possibly either or both of two things, one is that if the theory of relativity is true then, perhaps the universe is not expanding? I.e., is the perception of jumping up to touch the ceiling as another poster suggested, which makes sense, I have no argument.

The second is that if this is true then, I would expect a reversal when the New Jerusalem comes down upon the world. IMHO, I say this because of the image of the inverted Cross that I see in the prophecies when they describe a falling in metaphor. YSM mentioned electromagnetic forces and other things and I can see the parallel's such as the Polarity of the Mind, which is spirit. All of the seasons must be metaphors for possibly the thoughts of the upright mind that is guided by the Holy Spirit. It's complex and does have relevant truths but are symbolic to the actual mind of man, and this is the Image of the Father that He first Created in Genesis ch 1, and it are that which He first Created will be restored in the believing race of humans once he appears. The rest of all concerns will then be addressed in a new mind and the human race will change their lifestyle, for sure. All violations in earth and on earth and to the earth will seize when the Cross is risen again, and Upright in the mind of mankind.

We humans are the problem and are the one's responsible for our actions, and will need to dump what we are doing or else die in our sins, I suppose.

All of this should be modeled in the human head to see the Spiritual interpretations. The Cross is an interpreter of all things, it represents Christ and the whole Law.

So, this said, perhaps the "Incredible Shrinking Man" story is a mock of this reality, and the universe is not expanding but rather we are spiritually shrinking in intelligence, and knowledge of God? Thanks

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
It seems to be his modus operandi, never underestimate the ability of someone to justify anything.

Like your ability to justify a willful ignorance of what people say to hammer the same unproven point through as if you're ever going to prove your point without evidence.

JacobLaw · Apr 21, 2014

progmonk said:
Faith is a gift from God not a self-delusion.

Faith is the simple substance and evidence that comes from hearing the word of God, to ignore the Holy Ghost is a peril that has consequence that will be unbearable.
The only self delusion is to deny the clear substance that is evident confirmation by the overwhelming hope we have in trusting the word of God over science falsely called.

JacobLaw · Apr 21, 2014

sculleywr said:
Like your ability to justify a willful ignorance of what people say to hammer the same unproven point through as if you're ever going to prove your point without evidence.

Pretty profound from someone that mocks and denies the axiomatic geocentric position of the bible.

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
Faith is the simple substance and evidence that comes from hearing the word of God, to ignore the Holy Ghost is a peril that has consequence that will be unbearable.
The only self delusion is to deny the clear substance that is evident confirmation by the overwhelming hope we have in trusting the word of God over science falsely called.

If I shot a gun at you, would believing prevent the bullet in the chamberfrom hitting you?

We looked at the sun. It's huge! Here is what it looks like through a telescope:

Keachian · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
Faith is the simple substance and evidence that comes from hearing the word of God, to ignore the Holy Ghost is a peril that has consequence that will be unbearable.
The only self delusion is to deny the clear substance that is evident confirmation by the overwhelming hope we have in trusting the word of God over science falsely called.

What is the object of faith?

sculleywr · Apr 21, 2014

JacobLaw said:
Pretty profound from someone that mocks and denies the axiomatic geocentric position of the bible.

Truth is truth. The earth revolves on its axis, because that is what spheres do. It is smaller than the sun, and thus goes around it.

It APPEARS to be this, and that is how people talked, but what it APPEARS to be and what it IS are two different things.

The amount of people who should believe the earth is geocentric after seeing the earth MOVING THROUGH SPACE: 0

Jipsah · Apr 21, 2014

Messy said:
The earth stands still and is hollow.

It's a Dyson Sphere! Oh, no!

But wait, even a Dyson Sphere is heliocentric. Never mind...

Jipsah · Apr 21, 2014

Shocker said:
I always did wonder if everything we are told about space is even true.. Sounding more and more like its not..

Face it Shocky - Everything You Know Is Wrong!

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