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Tomorrow night.Larry said:That's cool.
By the way, what is the window for this poll? What is the cut-off date?
hmmm...not if you don't listen to Secular music. Not if you're only here to criticize secular music.blackwasp said:Every CF member who posts on the Secular forum is entitled to his/her vote.
blackwasp said:Every CF member who posts on the Secular forum is entitled to his/her vote.
TerraSin said:MOVE IT PLEEEEAAASE!!!
I love nadro, and his opinions are excellent and well thought out, And I always venture out of the Xians only section anymore for a few reasons.
1 - Because Xians aren't the only ones who have good, thought out ideas and conversations, much to the argument of others around. I have had some of my best conversations with non-believers where as Xian's like to be put in a little box away from them because they are afraid to let them see that they aren't perfect and don't have all the answers after all.[\QOUTE]
True, I said rarely, not never. Unfortunately and undoubtedly my faith, and probably many others' is not as strong as yours and needs time away from non-Christian influences to grow.
TerraSin said:2 - Because sometimes you get a few flamers, but sometimes you also get people who are genuinly interested in what we have to say and might be looking for answers themselves. It would be wrong of us to push them away. Did God push us away when we were horrid swine who only looked to ourselves and lived for ourselves?
There are more flamers than geniunely interested people and they are more than a distraction. They are not being pushed away just because there is a separate section for just Christians. There is a section where ALL can congregate. This argument is just as valid as Martha Burke trying to get women into a PRIVATE men's club. There are plenty of PUBLIC areas. Why CAN'T we have our own section AND a section for all? I doubt that the non-Christians are out there whining and crying cause they can't get into the Christians-only section, or their local church, or Youth for Christ, etc., etc.
TerraSin said:3. Because it would make people like PreacherFergy, blackwasp, and bretnolan mad and hopefully stop posting all together in a part of the forum they are against and only constantly whine about to people who come here to discuss. It would take them out of their little self build comfort zone a little more and maybe see that there is more to life than inside their little box of safety that they hide behind.
Terra, I probably agree with YOU more than either of these guys. This sounds like you haven't read ANY posts by myself or blackwasp. I almost always point out that I listen to secular music when posting in a new thread if I have an opinion counter to secular music. Please get your clue back out.
TerraSin said:Granted, there is a place for discussion and a place for debate and it should be made known in the rules, but I think the place needs to be open for everyone, Xian and non, to chat freely about issues of faith. The message that a lot of people send here is that we are better than everyone else. The fact is that in my years preaching and living out on my own, I found more help and security in those who wern't saved because of that fact. Because we aren't perfect and we can call ourselves saved and still make mistakes or be selfish.
CJ
Unfortunately, people can't even follow the rules in the Christians-only forum, let alone those who have a total disregard for rules anyway. And what percentage of the people visiting (or members of) this site do you think have actually read the rules?
Sometimes, Terra, you are dangerously close, in my opinion, to doing the same thing PreacherFergy does. In this case, accusing me of placing myself in a safe spiritual box and not living in the real world. My best friends are non-believers, I can get more than my share of "worldly" influence from them, I don't need, and shouldn't have to go looking for punishment EVERYWHERE I go.
I came to CF looking for CHRISTIAN fellowship, not to constantly debate and defend my faith. Not everyone uses the forum the same way you do and shouldn't be required to do so.
Now wait just a cotton-picking minute. If you took the time to look at any posts of mine in the Secular Forum outside of the ones where Fergy is attacked you would realize that I am all for secular music. If anything, I don't believe in christian 'entertainment' music. However, because I support posts that are based on scripture rather than ones that flame, I'm stuck in the christian bubble? Please take a look at my other posts in CF before making a sweeping generalization of my beliefs.TerraSin said:3. Because it would make people like PreacherFergy, blackwasp, and bretnolan mad and hopefully stop posting all together in a part of the forum they are against and only constantly whine about to people who come here to discuss. It would take them out of their little self build comfort zone a little more and maybe see that there is more to life than inside their little box of safety that they hide behind.CJ
TerraSin said:MOVE IT PLEEEEAAASE!!!
I havent seen any posters on this music forum claim that they are perfect or have all the answers. Christians can post in any part of the forum they want. I tend to get headaches in areas like GA, politics, science etc - here it is a nice place to relax without dealing with that stuff.1 - Because Xians aren't the only ones who have good, thought out ideas and conversations, much to the argument of others around. I have had some of my best conversations with non-believers where as Xian's like to be put in a little box away from them because they are afraid to let them see that they aren't perfect and don't have all the answers after all.
Whoever is geniunely looking for answers would probably come to a different forum than the music one.2 - Because sometimes you get a few flamers, but sometimes you also get people who are genuinly interested in what we have to say and might be looking for answers themselves. It would be wrong of us to push them away. Did God push us away when we were horrid swine who only looked to ourselves and lived for ourselves?
3Thats uncalled for, and no reason to vote a certain way.. Because it would make people like PreacherFergy, blackwasp, and bretnolan mad and hopefully stop posting all together in a part of the forum they are against and only constantly whine about to people who come here to discuss. It would take them out of their little self build comfort zone a little more and maybe see that there is more to life than inside their little box of safety that they hide behind.
To facilitate conversation among Christians, where a common worldview is assumed, half the forum is Christian only. If it weren't I probably wouldnt be here, you'd never get anywhere in discussions because you'd constantly have to deal with "prove that God exists," "you believe in fantasy" blah blah blah.Personally, I think the whole forum should be open to everyone. What kind of message is sent when someone who is an non-believer comes here and sees "You can't chat here cause you aren't saved." That's total c***. "You can't come to church cause you're not a Xian!" "You can't follow me around and watch my miracles because you didn't believe me the first time I said I was God!" Even His own disciples doubted Him!
i agree with that ^.TerraSin said:MOVE IT PLEEEEAAASE!!!
I love nadro, and his opinions are excellent and well thought out, And I always venture out of the Xians only section anymore for a few reasons.
1 - Because Xians aren't the only ones who have good, thought out ideas and conversations, much to the argument of others around. I have had some of my best conversations with non-believers...
2 - Because sometimes you get a few flamers, but sometimes you also get people who are genuinly interested in what we have to say and might be looking for answers themselves. It would be wrong of us to push them away. Did God push us away when we were horrid swine who only looked to ourselves and lived for ourselves?
I was going by what was posted in the past few threads. Ya'll wanna keep it "specifically for Xians" when it should be for everyone. I guess then that only people who have memorized the Bible can come to church.brettnolan said:Terra, I probably agree with YOU more than either of these guys. This sounds like you haven't read ANY posts by myself or blackwasp. I almost always point out that I listen to secular music when posting in a new thread if I have an opinion counter to secular music. Please get your clue back out.
haha you are so cool.TerraSin said:It's my job to come dangerousely close to lines. It ticks ppl off and makes them think for a moment.
CJ
TerraSin said:Ya'll wanna keep it "specifically for Xians" when it should be for everyone. I guess then that only people who have memorized the Bible can come to church.
TerraSin said:It's my job to come dangerousely close to lines. It ticks ppl off and makes them think for a moment. I appriciate that people agree with me sometimes when I say something. It shows they are using their brains instead of just doing what the church tells them to do and what not to do. Too often does a church mislead its people. I've seen it too many times to be able to put up with it. They follow blindly because if the pastor said it, it must be right.
TerraSin said:And blackwasp, I was under the impression you were taking sides for a while with Fergy. Please let me know if I took that the wrong way.
CJ
ps139 said:I tend to get headaches in areas like GA, politics, science etc - here it is a nice place to relax without dealing with that stuff.
Whoever is geniunely looking for answers would probably come to a different forum than the music one.
DJ_Ghost said:Either we decide we don't listen to secular music at all (Like Preacher Fergie, respect to him for having the currage of his convictions, although I don't share his conclusions), or we discuss secular music opensly like everyone else.
DJ_Ghost said:I am made unesay by the "closset ourselves from none christians" argument as well. Christ would not approve of such an attitude in my opinion. He didn't avoid those who denied him, so we certainly have no right to either. If mixing with those who do not share your faith taxes it, grow stronger in your faith.
DJ_Ghost said:I hear people metnion that the open forums get flamy, i am surprised as the ones I have frequented (Games and Social science) don't tend to. There are people there that I respect greatly (Jamz667 and feral for example) that I would love to discuss music with as well. I can understand people not enjoying being attacked for their faith, but as good christians it is encumbant upon us to be open about it is it not?
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