Surely the best it could be is meaningless happiness and joy. Could you clarify what you understand by the term 'meaning' here and where meaning comes from? Does it have any kind of objective reality?Eudaimonist said:
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Surely the best it could be is meaningless happiness and joy. Could you clarify what you understand by the term 'meaning' here and where meaning comes from? Does it have any kind of objective reality?Eudaimonist said:Life is also meaningful happiness and joy.
Could you clarify what you understand by the term 'meaning' here and where meaning comes from? Does it have any kind of objective reality?
What obligates Jeremy to deny himself and his own personal interest in his scenario?
I can keep asking this question if you want to keep throwing out red herrings.
That argument never ceases to amaze me.... a consequence of that idea is that anything that "ends" has no value. That seems to be how they think - why else would they use the finite aspect of the solar system to conclude this nihilistic thing?
Yet, they all love songs, books, movies, sports games,...
All of which are finite.
Even their own life ends.
While I would say the exact opposite is true: Something has value precisely because it is finite.
It makes me wonder if they can not find the value in a roller coaster since it ends up where it started.
Of course not! People bring meaning to their lives by doing things they enjoy doing. Some by helping those in need, personal hobbies, raising a family, group activities; what-ever it is you do that you enjoy has meaning to you.Where from, past lives?
I just finished my cup of coffee. Now I stare into the empty cup, as if on the precipice of some meaningless void! Apparently I didn't enjoy the cup I just finished because, well, it's finished.
I think humans have this need to have some meaning to their lives beyond what they see more than they think. I say this because it seems that in today's world where we have more things that should make us more happy more are sad and depressed. Its like the more we fill our lives up with things that are suppose to make things exciting or stimulating the more we are unfulfilled. So I reckon there is something in us that knows that there is more to life than just what we see.If life is a cosmic accident, by definition there is no purpose for it. There are not, and cannot, be "rules" for an "accidental collocation of molecules".
Life is an accident, some day you will die. Soon after, your remaining friends and family members will die, and no one will remember you or anything you have done. Even if you have some fame you might be remembered for a decade or even 100 years - maybe even 1,000. But, eventually the sun will burn out, and no one will remember, or be affected by, any good or bad that you or anyone else has done. This is the reality of the materialist, but they do not live consistently with their reality. They live as if actions matter, as if people matter, as if love matters. They cannot avoid the reality that it all matters, and it could only matter if the material world is not accidental but purposeful. Ironically, all of their senses tell them that it is purposeful, but, they suppress even the evidence of their own senses.
I think humans have this need to have some meaning to their lives beyond what they see more than they think. I say this because it seems that in today's world where we have more things that should make us more happy more are sad and depressed. Its like the more we fill our lives up with things that are suppose to make things exciting or stimulating the more we are unfulfilled. So I reckon there is something in us that knows that there is more to life than just what we see.
But many get caught up in all the glitter and glow of this world and fill their lives with stuff and events so that it makes things exciting and something to look forward to. But at the end of the day it doesn't fill the void and they get let down and left with this empty feeling. We are seeing this more and more as the depression rate and suicide rate increases. Only God can fill that void and give you joy and peace that surpasses all understanding.
"Meaning" is by its very nature beyond what we see.I think humans have this need to have some meaning to their lives beyond what they see more than they think.
The implied dichotomy "either we find our meaning (and/or joy and/or peace in God or we find it in the acquirition of material wealth" is terribly false.I say this because it seems that in today's world where we have more things that should make us more happy more are sad and depressed. Its like the more we fill our lives up with things that are suppose to make things exciting or stimulating the more we are unfulfilled. So I reckon there is something in us that knows that there is more to life than just what we see.
But many get caught up in all the glitter and glow of this world and fill their lives with stuff and events so that it makes things exciting and something to look forward to. But at the end of the day it doesn't fill the void and they get let down and left with this empty feeling. We are seeing this more and more as the depression rate and suicide rate increases. Only God can fill that void and give you joy and peace that surpasses all understanding.
Not for Heidegger, my hero. For him, the world is not primarilay a blank onto which we project meaning, but rather meaningfulness belongs to the essense of perception.quatona said:"Meaning" is by its very nature beyond what we see.
Yeah but many dont go to far beyond that. Maybe a nice holiday to the tropics or something. I know many turn to meditation and all sorts of new age beliefs nowadays. But they change every other day and are part of the new trends. But this shows that people are looking and that this world isnt giving them the answers."Meaning" is by its very nature beyond what we see.
I dont think I was implying that. I am merely stating an observation.The implied dichotomy "either we find our meaning (and/or joy and/or peace in God or we find it in the acquirition of material wealth" is terribly false.
Except when it does.Yeah but many dont go to far beyond that. Maybe a nice holiday to the tropics or something. I know many turn to meditation and all sorts of new age beliefs nowadays. But they change every other day and are part of the new trends. But this shows that people are looking and that this world isnt giving them the answers.
It sure looked to me like you were. So if you weren´t, I do not really know what your point was.I dont think I was implying that.
I don´t see anything I would disagree with in this post. I am not sure how it is in contrast with what I said, though.Not for Heidegger, my hero. For him, the world is not primarilay a blank onto which we project meaning, but rather meaningfulness belongs to the essense of perception.
The category "pure sensation", I suppose, is not primary but rather another semantic interpretation of experience.
Things also have value because of our projects and instrumentality.
MAybe "this is my coffee cup, and thats my chair" etc are not The meaning of life[sup]TM[/sup], but they are part of meaningful human engagement with the universe...
But it also shows that "God" isn't giving them answers as well.Yeah but many dont go to far beyond that. Maybe a nice holiday to the tropics or something. I know many turn to meditation and all sorts of new age beliefs nowadays. But they change every other day and are part of the new trends. But this shows that people are looking and that this world isnt giving them the answers.
Yeah but many dont go to far beyond that. Maybe a nice holiday to the tropics or something. I know many turn to meditation and all sorts of new age beliefs nowadays. But they change every other day and are part of the new trends. But this shows that people are looking and that this world isnt giving them the answers.
I dont think I was implying that. I am merely stating an observation.
Pure phooey.
Except when it does could mean anything. Some can say they have found the meaning to life and then be lost and looking 6 months later. You can tell its a well sort out question because of all the things that people have used and said were the answers, until they realized it wasn't quite what they were looking for. You probably see a new fad and life changing gimmick promoted every day nowadays. That just shows how much its up for sale and still being worked out. They wouldn't advertise it if they didnt think there were a lot looking who may give it a try.Except when it does.
I wasn't just saying that I believed God is the answer to finding true happiness. I was also making the point that why is it that we have more things that should make people happen than in any other time in history yet many more people feel depressed, anxious and less happy.It sure looked to me like you were. So if you weren´t, I do not really know what your point was.
Some people may try more than one. But Christianity isn't always what some would consider first choice happy things according to this world. They may have to wait to get married to have sex. They may be called to work in a far away place and help orphans, they may become a preacher or a drug counselor. They will may not get into all the so called main stream things that others say is the key to happiness. Yet they will say they have found true happiness. There is a lot of sacrifice with a Christian life and it isn't always that easy a road. But the rewards are great.In the end, it is humans that give christianity meaning. It is humans who decide that they will allow religions to give their life meaning. We are the ones who give our own life meaning.
The picture in my own head is something akin to the choices you get when installing software. You have the "Express" option that has all of the presets ready to go, and you have the "Custom" install option where you mold the options yourself. It seems that the meaning of life has something similar to it. Some people pick the pre-packaged, all ready to go religions that their ancestors constructed. Some people choose to go on a search for something more personalized.
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