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the self replicating watch argument

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Oh, that us miserable worthless humans would never have the feeling of self love or self worth!

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Well, God does not Love or value self more than others, but, rather, Loves others as He Loves Himself. Since we are offered grace as means by which we can become as God is (i.e. loving others as we love ourselves), why would we reject that grace and not become as God is?
 
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No you haven't. You've made claims. Claims are not evidence. Anyone can make claims. I can claim that my house is made out of a giant mushroom, doesn't make it true.

You need to provide EVIDENCE to back up your claims.
I told you that Jesus, Who is called "Christ" and was crucified to death, rose from the dead on the third day. You told me to show you the source from which I know this to be the Truth. I told you that the source is shown in every single one of my posts.

If you somehow become aware of my source I'll gladly direct you to a place where you can get a closer look if you want. Otherwise I'm afraid I cant'.
 
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I could have said smug Americans (after all, they have also committed crimes against humanity), but my reference was to the mass murders which took place on European soil in both Nazi Germany and the Communist countries, especially in the former Soviet Union (where my own ancestors were from). So, no, it's like I said: I wasn't distinguishing any one nationality from another. I was trying to illustrate the point that when nations forget about God, they soon turn into bloodthirsty killers of human beings, as historical facts bear strong witness.
Golly, we made it through 2779 posts without verifying godwins law, but sure enough this thread has stooped to comparing people to Hitler. By all means start a shouting match on who is most like Hitler if you want. I will have none of it. Hitler was no atheist.
 
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Well, God does not Love or value self more than others, but, rather, Loves others as He Loves Himself. Since we are offered grace as means by which we can become as God is (i.e. loving others as we love ourselves), why would we reject that grace and not become as God is?
Of course. Love others. Love yourself. Love cars.

Just don't expect your car to have a baby.
 
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Of course there are. The bigger obstacle is the lack of roads, but one could set up a planet that was flat and non-rocky to overcome that.
so how you will make a car with a single part? what is the use of a car without wheels for instance? (by the way english isnt my native so i may not understand some words here and there in general).
 
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You didn't read a word of what I said, did you?

BY DEFINITION, A CAR CANNOT DO THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR EVOLUTION.

How can anything evolve into something that can never evolve?
but it can evolve since we are talking about self replicating molecule. unless you dont believe in evolution?
 
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I told you that Jesus, Who is called "Christ" and was crucified to death, rose from the dead on the third day. You told me to show you the source from which I know this to be the Truth. I told you that the source is shown in every single one of my posts.

If you somehow become aware of my source I'll gladly direct you to a place where you can get a closer look if you want. Otherwise I'm afraid I cant'.

Okay then. I will show you one of your own posts from earlier in this thread.

Pretty sunsets aren't the sort of evidence I'm alluding to. Christ is risen from the dead. He's been seen after having risen, and is known to be risen forever, glorified, and all powerful. He Who rose from the dead has foretold the resurrection of all at the end of the ages. By the Holy Spirit we know it to be True. Examine this.

Please show me the source you cited to support your claim that Jesus died and was resurrected in that post.
 
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but it can evolve since we are talking about self replicating molecule. unless you dont believe in evolution?

The this self replicating molecule and anything that it evolves into can never be a car.

Seriously, how do you not understand this?
 
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Okay then. I will show you one of your own posts from earlier in this thread.



Please show me the source you cited to support your claim that Jesus died and was resurrected in that post.
The source that supports this claim is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, which is the Body of Christ.
 
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many of you may heared about the watch argument by william paley (if a watch need a designer because it cant evolve naturally then also nature need one, because its more complex and have a design traits like a watch (the flagellum motor for instance is a real spinning motor found in bacteria-image below). the argument against it is that a regular watch can replicate itself with variations over time, and thus it cant evolve naturally when nature can evolve because it has those traits. but paley is also talking about a self replicating watch and claiming that even if we will find such a self replicating watch (or a robot) that made from organic components its still be an evidence for design and not a for a natural process (because as far as we know a watch with springs and a motion system and so on need a designer). thus, paley watch a rgument is still valid to this day. check also this argument:My favorite argument for the existence of God

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Difference between Prokaryotic flagella and Eukaryotic flagella ~ Biology Exams 4 U

Sorry if someone has already provided the following counter evidence. However, this argument was already trounced back in 2005 from Dover, Pennsylvania. It's very long, and I apologize. If you get antsy, forward to 1 hour and 6 minutes in....

 
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Golly, we made it through 2779 posts without verifying godwins law, but sure enough this thread has stooped to comparing people to Hitler. By all means start a shouting match on who is most like Hitler if you want. I will have none of it. Hitler was no atheist.
Actually, I had Joseph Stalin more in mind, on account of his systematic starvation of the entire population of the Ukraine, which led to more deaths than the Nazi campaign's final solution tactics. Also, tens of thousands of Russian Orthodox Christian clerics and monastics, including nuns, were executed in the Communist regimes attempt to rid its country of "religion", which it referred to as a disease. Stalin, I think, was a professed atheist. Hitler was also an atheist, especially in practice. There are alleged Christians who also do not believe in God, even though they may think that they do. It is what we do that makes us either a true believer or an unbeliever, not what we think about ourselves.
 
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a creature cant have a baby too, unless it has a replication system. so a creature cant evolve according to this criteria.
2800 posts and you still fail to grasp even the basics....
 
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