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The person I was discussing with claimed that actual scientists studied the phenomenon and got unusual results. Even if it isn't a paper published in a journal like Nature, I want some evidence that these scientists aren't complete fiction in and of themselves.
Hence why I suggested utilizing people with dementia as a test group. Far as I am aware, they don't usually go into remission, and people with Alzheimer's specifically never do.
So would I, I'd love to have some actual sources that aren't anecdotal.
Currently being investigated, from the looks of it. It might be a while before people can be sure on that.
That's why you need a proper experiment for the stuff, with control groups and whatnot. If the myrrh oil works, there will be significantly more people that experience remission in the experimental group than in the control group that gets anointed with tap water. One of the biggest problems with purported healing miracles is that people don't keep record of the people that are exposed and do not have access to medical records. As a result, 10,000 people could claim to have been healed, but the 150,000 that experienced the same thing and remained sick never were accounted for.
No duh, I never claimed it was a positive trait in the slightest. Anorexic people generally aren't gluttonous, but you'd never say that the other end of the extreme was good. If any of the seven sins negatively impact me on a regular basis, they'd have to be wrath and sloth, not pride. Heck, I can even put my sinful tendencies in descending order: wrath, sloth, gluttony, greed, envy, lust, and pride. I view it as possible to be at the other end of these extremes as well and for that to cause significant problems as well. For example, not feeling anger at things you should be mad about can allow injustice to continue.
-_- I want you to consider what that implies about me. Also, what the heck are you talking about? Self esteem stems from how you perceive yourself, not necessarily how you actually are. Tons of people with wonderful qualities lack self esteem, while plenty of people that don't have it in excess. If that's what you intended to say, you chose poor words for it.
Aging is not kind to those that only value their looks.
I don't know anyone that has a high self esteem purely because they view themselves as human, and nothing else.
I would view intelligence as a valuable trait in any animal I have to interact with. Heck, you could have a conversation via sign language with a gorilla if you wanted to. Humans have even bred certain working dogs to be more intelligent because it benefited their performance in the job we wanted them to do. I'd trust
-_- nah, that's just an attitude some atheists personally have. The "holier than thou" sentiment some theists have isn't representative of all theists, so why act as if all atheists or even atheists in general share a particular attitude? Heck, most atheists never even bring up the fact that they are atheists.
As much as watching people narrowly avoid earning Darwin awards is amusing to me, that doesn't make me feel that I am smarter. -_- it just makes me view humanity as a whole to be dumber.
Actually, I find the most arrogant atheists are those that used to be arrogant theists.
By definition natural remission is not supernatural remission.
Please show me where evolution says cars with wood trim can have babies.
Actually, the members of His Church comprise parts of His Body, and are doing His works in the world and doing even greater works than He did in His short-lived earthly ministry, on account of His ascension to the Father. When He was in the flesh we could not really know Him. Now that He is the exulted man in heaven, we know Him by the Holy Spirit to be the Eternal Word of God. Because of this we are doing great works by the same Holy Spirit by Whom He also did great works when He walked the earth in the flesh. You're inability to be aware of these things that are happening now doesn't mean that they aren't really happening. It just means that you're unaware, and will remain unaware so long as you don't care to become aware, through repentance. The Church is His Body, and there are mighty works taking place in it. This is the Body you need to examine for evidence of Christ's resurrection.
because it happens naturally? I guess, you also believe natural reproduction to be a miracle too though, am I right?
Cool!
True, life long slavery with no chance of freedom would be worse... Being forced to marry your rapist and never being allowed to divorce is likely worse than death too. I guess I have to agree with you on that.
Oh, so I guess we're right back where we started then - no good evidence one way or the other.
so by your own admission, claiming to be a Christian is in no way a guarantee that such a person is any better than an atheist (who is arguably a better person for being honest about their views), right?
Well, Hitler indeed had a utopian vision, it certainly involved national pride and religious belief, both of which contributed to an ideology that killed millions of people. Even were he atheist (and he wasn't, be honest now), an ideology is not tied to atheism, I hate to break it to you. If you think this, it's because you've been lied to by someone with a vested interest in wanting you to hate atheists. This is virulently reflected in your first paragraph of your response directly linking atheists to anti-christian ideologies.
It isn't a claim. The work that is being done is evidence. You're unwillingness to be aware of the evidence doesn't make it any less real. If I was unaware of evidence that there's a genetic link predisposing a person toward alcoholism, for example, and the evidence was real, my ignorance doesn't make the evidence any less real. If you're unaware of the evidence of Christ's resurrection, because you are ignorant of it, that doesn't make the evidence less real. It just means that you are ignorant of it.
