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You haven't explained. You just stated that the sun doesn't really rise and set, but only appears to do so. That's just making a statement, not an explanation.
No, perspective doesn't make things look lower and lower. That is why the bases of the street lights in your picture, if anything, are higher in the photo the further away they are. The bases of the nearest ones are too low even to be seen in the photo, whereas the bases of those furthest away are approximately a third of the way up the picture.
The line of street lights appear to get smaller as they get further away due to perspective. The sun, however, stays exactly the same size as it passes from East to West, so not due to perspective.
Small objects will disappear because they become smaller than the angular resolution of the human eye, but if you zoom in with your P90, the distant street lights will come back into view from top to bottom. The sun, however, disappears below the horizon bottom first while still maintaining the same size it had when directly overhead. Zooming in does not make the bottom of the sun reappear, so again not due to perspective.
No they don't they get lower.
Well, I have been reading their publications and watching their videos for years now, and I have never heard any mention of taking a real, literal Adam out of the bible. Do you perhaps have some quotes of them denying what the bible says about Adam?
That is different to what you said before, though, that they took Adam out of the bible.
This all may sound like some sort of joke, but the proponents of a flat earth are very serious. And this belief is making inroads into the church. Chances are, you know somebody who has bought into this, though you may not be aware of it. Theflat-earth movement threatens to marginalize the church and ultimately undermine the reliability of Scripture.
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Answers in Genesis also has this to say about the promotion of a flat earth.
“To deliberately promote a flat earth is to accuse fellow Christians of deception—a very serious charge—and to deny plain scientific reasoning. Instead, we must be faithful students of Scripture and creationso as not to discredit our Christiantestimony before a skeptical and watching world.”
Is the Earth Flat?
The earth could be both round and flat, if it were disk-shaped. Have we all been fed a whopping lie about the true shape of the earth?
Get real - Nobody is decieving anyone except NASA.
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Let’s talk about answers in genesis. @David Lamb mentioned it in a post to you and it gave me an idea.
Answers in Genesis states this about themselves:
“Answers in Genesis is an apologetics (i.e., Christianity-defending) ministry dedicated to enabling Christians to defend their faith and to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ effectively. We focus particularly on providing answers to questions surrounding the book of Genesis, as it is a foundational book of Christianity and the most-attacked book of the Bible.”
So this is a Christian creationist website that specializes in answering questions from creation and the book of Genesis. So let’s see what they say about a flat earth.
How Can Anyone Believe That?
What is the flat-earth model? In the flat-earth model, the earth is a flat disk, with the North Pole at its center. The earth is bounded by an ice wall that we call Antarctica. The ice wall keeps the oceans’ water contained on earth.
Somewhere beyond the ice wall, a dome rests over the earth. This dome contains the stars. The dome turns each day, producing the motion of stars that we see each night.
The sun and moon orbit under the dome, circling the axis of the North Pole. This produces the daily motion of the sun and moon. The sun and moon don’t actually rise and set; they merely appear to do so. We only experience darkness because the sun has moved so far away that its spotlight doesn’t shine on our location.
This all may sound like some sort of joke, but the proponents of a flat earth are very serious. And this belief is making inroads into the church. Chances are, you know somebody who has bought into this, though you may not be aware of it. Theflat-earth movement threatens to marginalize the church and ultimately undermine the reliability of Scripture.
How do we know that the earth is really a globe? Don’t try appealing to photographs from space showing a spherical earth. If the earth is a disk with an impenetrable dome over top, obviously no satellites or space stations can be orbiting the earth. Nor could astronauts have landed on the moon. So flat-earthers believe that NASA has lied about nearly everything it claims, and those photos are faked.
Many people in the flat-earth movement have adopted a map of the earth like this one (technically known as an azimuthal equidistant projection). The North Pole is positioned at the center, and the map lacks a south pole.
Evidence Right Before Our Eyes
How can we show that the earth is a globe without pointing to photos? After all, belief that the earth is spherical goes back much earlier than satellites and NASA.
One of the best arguments, used by both Aristotle and Ptolemy, is something people can see for themselves. Consider what the earth’s shadow looks like during a lunar eclipse. It is always circular! A flat object would cast a circular shadow only with a certain orientation, such as occurs when the sun is directly behind the earth at midnight. But what about all the other circumstances? A disk would cast many different strange shapes, especially obvious at sunrise or sunset. Only a sphere will cast a circular shadow regardless of orientation.
How do flat-earthers respond to this argument? They deny that lunar eclipses are caused by the earth’s shadow. Then what causes lunar eclipses? I’ve asked them this question many times, but they can’t quite decide what it is (or even seem to care).
What Does the Bible Have to Do with It?
Does the Bible teach anything about a flat earth? Flat-earthers think so. They are pretty emphatic that many biblical passages support their model. In fact, they often say the Bible’s authority is at stake and we need to reject man’s lies. Would you be able to answer them?
The number of verses they cite is extensive, more than 200 by some counts. There’s just one problem. Almost nobody else in church history held this view. If theflat-earth meaning is so obvious, why did nearly every Christian in the past miss that meaning? Let’s examine a few of these passages. (I’m only choosing one since we’ve discuss this be many times. If you want to see more just click on the link).
Dome over the Earth
What about the dome that sits over the earth, according to their model? Flat-earthers claim that the dome is the firmament described in the day-two account of Genesis 1:6–8. They claim that this is what the original Hebrew word rāqîa‘, translated “firmament” in early English translations, means.
However, the noun rāqîa‘ comes from the verb rāqa, meaning “to stamp, beat, or spread out.” That is, the rāqîa‘ is something that was spread out. So most modern English translations render this Hebrew word as “expanse.” That is the most natural and clear meaning of the word and what most people have understood over the centuries.
It is true that some people came to view the rāqîa‘ as a hard surface, either a sphere around the earth or possibly a dome over the earth, but that is not necessarily what the rāqîa‘ originally meant or actually is.
What is the rāqîa‘? The day-four account (Genesis 1:14–19) places the sun, moon, and other astronomical bodies in the rāqîa‘, and Genesis 1:20 described the birds flying across the face of the rāqîa‘. So in today’s terminology, we might call the rāqîa‘ “space and the earth’s atmosphere” or more simply “sky.”
10 Reasons We Know the Earth Is a Sphere
- During a lunar eclipse, the earth’s shadow is always circular. Only a sphere casts a circular shadow regardless of its orientation.
- As we travel northward, stars above the southern horizon disappear below the horizon. Conversely, stars below the northern horizon become visible. The reverse happens as we travel southward.
- The hulls of ships disappear first as they move away from the observer. (This observation doesn’t always work on warm days because a temperature inversion can bend light along the earth’s curvature.)
- From very high altitudes (50,000 feet or more) the earth’s curvature is visible.
- When surveying triangular areas greater than 200 acres, the sum of the interior angles exceeds 180 degrees. If the earth were flat, this would not happen, but it would if it were a ball.
- The Coriolis effect is an important physics phenomenon that impacts the atmosphere. A rotating earth causes this effect, but there is no explanation if the earth is flat and motionless.
- Astronomical bodies appear to spin around the north celestial pole every 24 hours. Telescope mounts must compensate for this motion. This works only if the earth is a spinning ball.
- The moon, the sun, and the other planets clearly are spheres. By analogy, one would expect the earth to be a sphere too.
- If the earth were flat with a dome over top, everyone on earth would see the same stars. But we don’t—a large part of the sky is not visible from temperate latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere and likewise in the Southern Hemisphere.
- In the Northern Hemisphere, stars appear to spin each day around the north celestial pole (the North Star is very close to the north celestial pole). In the Southern Hemisphere, stars appear to spin around the south celestial pole (but there is no bright “south star”). This is not possible on a flat earth but must be true if the earth is a spinning globe.
Falling for a Flat Earth
A resurgent flat-earth movement claims we need to get back to what the Bible says—but what does God’s Word really say about the earth’s shape?
