The Scriptures and Authority

[Rick Otto]

Wow right down there next to tongues

I have that gift:

 

[Tkjjc]

I, also, wanted to make a point about this verse:

1Cr 12:28; And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Look where church governments were ranked. They're nearly at the botton of the list . . . . just sumthin' to think about.

And actually that word is a Latin based word...and is the only word in the NT.....wonder how that got in^^
Greek=kybernēsis
Latin=from kubernao (of Latin origin, meaning to steer)

To steer? Kinda like cattle being herd huh?

 

[IamAdopted]

Our Pastors are our shepherds and are to feed the sheep.. It is the Holy Spirit that teaches us what is being spoken. Then it is our responsibility to act on what we hear.. For we are to put Gods word first in our life. We do this as the Holy Spirit quickens His Scripture to our hearts and mind..

 

[ticker]

If a GREAT KING (the King of kings in this case) went on a far journey, and left you His written instructions, would you have the King's authority in your hand, or not..

I can't believe how people cannot associate one with the other.. if it's the word of God, then it is directly from His authority..

Hey there, Markea

I fully agree with you that scripture is from His authority. Thing is though, our great King hasn't left us to go on some far away journey...He's right here.

We've been given the gift of the Spirit....and as long as I have Christ in me (which...is forever), He's gonna be the final authority in my life.


God bless you bud.

 

[Markea]

Hey there, Markea

I fully agree with you that scripture is from His authority. Thing is though, our great King hasn't left us to go on some far away journey...He's right here.

He is within His people in Spirit.. not physically present.. the parables illustrate these points very clearly..

And so while He is building His church, He asks that we build, strengthen, and edify each other by speaking the truth in love..

Thy word is truth.. and..

[bible]1 Peter 4:11[/bible]

This is our admonition, from His authoritive word..

We've been given the gift of the Spirit....and as long as I have Christ in me (which...is forever), He's gonna be the final authority in my life.

And we're not our own, we have been bought with a price.. the precious shed blood of Christ.. and so we preach the GOSPEL OF GOD concerning HIS SON.. as this is how others come to have Christ in them as well..

God bless you bud.

Thank you ! And He certainly has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ !

 

[JimfromOhio]

I asked this in another thread numerous times, but have yet to get an answer....

Where in the scriptures does it say that the scriptures are the authority for Christians and where does it say that all scripture interprets scripture????

Also, those who believe the Bible to be the authority, how do you explain the fact that people can interpret them differently and can be lead into error?

Do we accept the Bible as the Word of God, as the sole Authority in all matters of faith and practice, or do we not? God reveals Himself primarily through the pages of Scripture; that is why I believe the Bible as my absolute authority. Regardless of the teachings (doctrines), we all are Christian first according to Jesus Christ's teachings (not the Church's teachings). We have to remember that its not the scriptures that are corrupted. Its a man's heart that is corrupted. My Bible is my authority but at the same time, I will never put my Bible ahead of God, the Author. Spiritual growth requires us to understand the Scriptures and get to know our God the Father, our Savior the Son, and our comforter the Holy Spirit. “Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.” Ephesians 6:17 (NLT)

Two-way relationship with God requires our submission, obedience and love to Him. Humility is putting God first in our prayers while pride is putting God last in our prayers. The WORD is Jesus Christ. God's Word (the Bible) sometimes wounds us deeply and it is imperative because through the Bible, God speaks loudly. The Bible illumines the dark corners of heart and mind by exposing sin but reveals the way of rightousness. The Word of God (Bible) rebukes in order that we may see our faults. ''Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.'' Psalm 119:105 "For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Sciptures we might have hope." (Romans 15:4). When we pray daily, we are to remember what God have taught us through His Word, submit to Him and have "love" in our lives.

Humility is the only state of mind in which to approach the Scriptures. The Spirit will teach the humble soul those things that make for his salvation and for a holy walk and fruitful service here below. And little else matters. A.W. Tozer

 

[InkBlott]

markea and Jimfrom Ohio: Written words have a certain advantage over spoken words in that they stay put but they have their limitations too. What of the limitations inherent in written words? How do they effect how we interact with the scriptures?

 

[Markea]

markea and Jimfrom Ohio: Written words have a certain advantage over spoken words in that they stay put but they have their limitations too. What of the limitations inherent in written words? How do they effect how we interact with the scriptures?

What limitations are you speaking of..? It would obviously be helpful if you listed them instead of making a statement about limitation, without actually saying what the limitation is..

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

I asked this in another thread numerous times, but have yet to get an answer....

Where in the scriptures does it say that the scriptures are the authority for Christians and where does it say that all scripture interprets scripture????

Also, those who believe the Bible to be the authority, how do you explain the fact that people can interpret them differently and can be lead into error?

1. I asked this in other threads numerous times but have yet to get an answer: Where in Scripture does it says that the Roman Catholic denomination is the sole authority for Christians, and where does it say that the RCC is the sole interpreter of Scripture and that WHATEVER interpretation it makes is therefore infallible and unaccountable?


2. Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine that is to be taught, it is a praxis that is to be illustated. Is Sola Scriptura illustarted in Scripture? Yes, from Moses coming down the mountain with the very first Scriptures - pointing to such as Authoritative (and NOT the Infallible Roman Pontiff) all the way through the NT. Jesus, Paul, James, John and yes PETER all illustarted Sola Scriptura ove and over and over - at LEAST 65 times it's use is illustrated in the NT. But, let's compare that to the number of times the Rule of the RCC is illustrated in the Holy Scriptures? How many times did Jesus or Paul or John or James or even Peter refer to the RCC as authoritative and normative? I think we all know the answer.....





My $0.01


Pax


- Josiah



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[InkBlott]

What limitations are you speaking of..? It would obviously be helpful if you listed them instead of making a statement about limitation, without actually saying what the limitation is..

I didn't want to limit the list of limitations by listing them.

However, I see your point:

• Written words do not convey such things as gestures, facial expressions and tone of voice: things that make the spoken word such a rich experience.
• The communicator is not present to answer additional questions or expand points. Different generations may bring different questions to a piece of writing.
• Languages drift over time. We loose expertise in the original tongue.
• Words can have more than one meaning and context is not always sufficient to allow us to determine what meaning was intended or to informs us whether more than one meaning was intended.
• Experiences have to be worked on intellectually before they can be put into words. We must then approach them with our intellect in order to read them. The written word will always hold us at a remove or two from the experience they attempt to convey.

I'll stop there.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

1. I asked this in other threads numerous times but have yet to get an answer: Where in Scripture does it says that the Roman Catholic denomination is the sole authority for Christians, and where does it say that the RCC is the sole interpreter of Scripture and that WHATEVER interpretation it makes is therefore infallible and unaccountable?

2. Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine that is to be taught, it is a praxis that is to be illustated. Is Sola Scriptura illustarted in Scripture? Yes, from Moses coming down the mountain with the very first Scriptures - pointing to such as Authoritative (and NOT the Infallible Roman Pontiff) all the way through the NT. Jesus, Paul, James, John and yes PETER all illustarted Sola Scriptura ove and over and over - at LEAST 65 times it's use is illustrated in the NT. But, let's compare that to the number of times the Rule of the RCC is illustrated in the Holy Scriptures? How many times did Jesus or Paul or John or James or even Peter refer to the RCC as authoritative and normative? I think we all know the answer.....
My $0.01

Pax
- Josiah



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One "Searches" the Scriptures [Catholics/Pharisees], the other "Examines" the Scriptures [non-Catholics/Bereans]

John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Ye are searching/ereunate <2045> (5719) the scriptures/grafaV <1124>; that ye are supposing in them ye have life age-abiding to be having: and those are the ones testifying about me.
40 And not ye are willing to come toward Me, that life ye may be having.
41 Glory besides men not I am getting. 42 But I have known ye, that the love of the God not ye are having in selves.

2045. ereunao er-yoo-nah'-o apparently from 2046 (through the idea of inquiry); to seek, i.e. (figuratively) to investigate:--search.

Acts 17:10 The yet brothers immediately thru the night send out the besides Paul and the Silas into Berea/beroian <960>, who-any coming along they went into the synagogue of the Judeans are away.
11These yet were more noble of-those in Thessalonica, who-any receive the Word with all eagerness, the down daily examining/ana-krinonteV<350> (5723) the Scriptures/grafaV <1124> if it may be having these thus. 12 Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.

350. anakrino an-ak-ree'-no from 303 and 2919; properly, to scrutinize, i.e. (by implication) investigate, interrogate, determine:--ask, question, discern, examine, judge, search.
303. ana an-ah' a primary preposition and adverb; properly, up;
2919. krino kree'-no properly, to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish:--avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

 

[GorrionGris]

1. I asked this in other threads numerous times but have yet to get an answer: Where in Scripture does it says that the Roman Catholic denomination is the sole authority for Christians, and where does it say that the RCC is the sole interpreter of Scripture and that WHATEVER interpretation it makes is therefore infallible and unaccountable?


2. Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine that is to be taught, it is a praxis that is to be illustated. Is Sola Scriptura illustarted in Scripture? Yes, from Moses coming down the mountain with the very first Scriptures - pointing to such as Authoritative (and NOT the Infallible Roman Pontiff) all the way through the NT. Jesus, Paul, James, John and yes PETER all illustarted Sola Scriptura ove and over and over - at LEAST 65 times it's use is illustrated in the NT. But, let's compare that to the number of times the Rule of the RCC is illustrated in the Holy Scriptures? How many times did Jesus or Paul or John or James or even Peter refer to the RCC as authoritative and normative? I think we all know the answer.....





My $0.01


Pax


- Josiah



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1.- There were no denominations at the time of writing the Bible

2.- That only proves that the Bible authors used Scripture, but nothing more...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

1.- There were no denominations at the time of writing the Bible

2.- That only proves that the Bible authors used Scripture, but nothing more...

Hi, then what would the Writings referred to here in Luke 21:22 be?

Luke 21:20 But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that has-neard/hggiken <1448> (5758) the Desolating of Her.
22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which have been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772) may be fulfilled.

Romans 13:12 The night progresses, the yet Day has neared/hggiken <1448> (5758). We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

 

[Markea]

I didn't want to limit the list of limitations by listing them.

However, I see your point:

• Written words do not convey such things as gestures, facial expressions and tone of voice: things that make the spoken word such a rich experience.
• The communicator is not present to answer additional questions or expand points. Different generations may bring different questions to a piece of writing.
• Languages drift over time. We loose expertise in the original tongue.
• Words can have more than one meaning and context is not always sufficient to allow us to determine what meaning was intended or to informs us whether more than one meaning was intended.
• Experiences have to be worked on intellectually before they can be put into words. We must then approach them with our intellect in order to read them. The written word will always hold us at a remove or two from the experience they attempt to convey.

I'll stop there.

Good points.. and I would say that this is one reason why the LORD made the GOSPEL so simple.. and that He made His word spiritually discerned.. and not culturally discerned..

It's nice to study the times and places and cultures and history of these things.. although it all takes back seat to simply prayerfully and carefully reading the simple truths of God through His written word..

It's how we grow..

 

[lionroar0]

1. I asked this in other threads numerous times but have yet to get an answer: Where in Scripture does it says that the Roman Catholic denomination is the sole authority for Christians, and where does it say that the RCC is the sole interpreter of Scripture and that WHATEVER interpretation it makes is therefore infallible and unaccountable?

You have gotten an answer as many times as you asked the quetion. Just not to your satisfaction.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You have gotten an answer as many times as you asked the quetion. Just not to your satisfaction.

Peace

In my view, the Roman Church does not have much of an answer to very much concerning the Scriptures as they appear to have more "Mysteries" than answers.

Matthew 22:7 `Yet having heard, the King was wroth, and sending his soldiers/armies/strateumata <4753>, destroys/apwlesen <622> the Murderers/foneiV <5406>, those, and their City sets in flames;

Luke 21:20 `And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by armies/stratopedwn <4760>, then know that come nigh did the desolating of Her;

 

[lionroar0]

In my view, the Roman Church does not have much of an answer to very much concerning the Scriptures as they appear to have more "Mysteries" than answers.

The Roman Church was there when thr Scriptures were written and compiled.

It has alot of answers.

The Mysteries are the Myteris of the Bodu of Christ.

From my POV you are stating that us infinite and created beigns can completely understand and know God who is infinite and eternal.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Roman Church was there when thr Scriptures were written and compiled.

It has alot of answers.

The Mysteries are the Myteris of the Bodu of Christ.

From my POV you are stating that us infinite and created beigns can completely understand and know God who is infinite and eternal.

Peace

So the Roman Church is a "Mystery?

Romans 11:25 For not I am willing ye to being ignorant brothers of the mystery, the-this, that no ye may be beside yourselves wise. That a hardening/pwrwsiV <4457> from part/merouV <3313> to-the Israel has become until which the filling/plhrwma <4138> to/of-the Nations may be entering/eiselqh <1525> (5632);

 

[lionroar0]

So the Roman Church is a "Mystery?

Christ is the Mystery.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Christ is the Mystery.

Peace

Why is He a Mystery?

The only ones He is a mystery to are the Jews/Israel and atheists LOL.

Isaiah 28:15Because ye-say: `We-cut/karath a-Covenant with Death, And-with Sh@'owlwe-made a seer/02374 chozeh, a-Scourge overflowing that passeth-over, not he-shall-enter-in-to-us. That we set a-lie/kazab as a-refuge-of-us/machaceh, and in-falsehood/sheqer we-are-concealed/cathar.'

Reve 1: 18 and the living-One! And I became dead, and behold, I am living into of-the Ages to-the Ages; Amen. And I-am-having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death