The Schumer Shutdown

[A2SG]

psst.... while off topic - this well worn Democratic byline was debunked during Trump's first term - who debunked it - oh, the IRS

Props to the never ending repeating, but no one believe it anymore - it might just be why the Democrats are in chaos and have historically low ratings -

But please - feel free to repeat it as of ten as you please - it helps Republican gain votes.

Okay, fine. I'll lay off the tax breaks for billionaires bit if you can show me that Republicans care about health care subsidies for those who need them.

-- A2SG, ball's in your court, dude....

 

[camille70]

I'm so sorry to hear all that. If the USA gets too awful, is there any chance you and yours would move to Australia? Once you became citizens Medicare he is so much better!

If the worst comes to worst I have a sister who lives in Switzerland. Her ex is Swiss German and after they divorced she liked the country so much she stayed. She asked about my health insurance already and offered to help pay for it if needed, but I don't want to go that route.

I love this country, with all its faults, but I want to see it improved, not destroyed. IMO, the people in charge are destroying it. All the people who used to champion states rights and the constitution seem happy to have it shredded if done so in the service of a cause they support. We are committing human rights abuses and terrorizing our own citizens. I'm praying we survive and that all things truly will work for good.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Okay, fine. I'll lay off the tax breaks for billionaires bit

No - no please don't stop! It helps the Republican Party in numerous ways - please continue. Maybe add in 34 convictions and sex accusations - that's been having great results!

if you can show me that Republicans care about health care subsidies for those who need them.

CBO: Democrats Covered Up Widespread Fraud and Abuse in Federal Health Programs​

Recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirms that Democrats conducted a years-long, massive cover-up to defraud American taxpayers in order to subsidize fraud, waste, and abuse in federal health programs, including using loopholes to provide free health care to illegal immigrants. Republicans put an end to these generous unjustified subsidies and instead lowered premiums for those properly enrolled in the program and provided a massive tax cut to the middle class in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill, signed into law on July 4th.​

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Lawmakers requested CBO provide critical context behind their topline coverage estimates resulting from the health reforms in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill. CBO’s latest analysis makes clear that The One, Big, Beautiful Bill is not taking coverage away from hardworking Americans but is ending billions in subsidies for illegal immigrants, cracking down on fraud, and restoring integrity to health care programs. CBO estimates that the policies in the new law dealing with health insurance marketplace premium tax credit eligibility would reduce those who should not be getting taxpayer subsidies by 2.1 million in 2034.​

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Additionally, CBO confirms Republicans’ concerns with massive improper enrollment in Obamacare. The agency not only finds that Democrat policies have led to at least 2.3 million fraudulent enrollees in Obamacare, but also that common sense Republican program integrity reforms in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill will lower premiums for those truly eligible for the program while putting an end to these abuses.​

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Why do the Democrats want 1.2 trillion in fraud re established? Ever wonder about that.

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2025...d-fraud-and-abuse-in-federal-health-programs/
-- A2SG, ball's in your court, dude....

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2025...d-fraud-and-abuse-in-federal-health-programs/
I'm not a dude - I don't work on a ranch.

White House says it will use tariff money to fund nutrition program amid shutdown​

Why don't the Democrats care as much?

 

[camille70]

Marjorie Taylor Greene blames Republican leaders for government shutdown

 

[camille70]

Dem slams GOP for rushing billionaires' tax cuts, but stalling on health care

 

[camille70]

1) if zero people are arriving illegally then the (false) argument that dems want to give free Healthcare to undocumented is moot.

2) Americans cant even get free health care. Why would people believe the undocumented would?

 

[Say it aint so]

No - no please don't stop! It helps the Republican Party in numerous ways - please continue. Maybe add in 34 convictions and sex accusations - that's been having great results!

CBO: Democrats Covered Up Widespread Fraud and Abuse in Federal Health Programs​

Recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirms that Democrats conducted a years-long, massive cover-up to defraud American taxpayers in order to subsidize fraud, waste, and abuse in federal health programs, including using loopholes to provide free health care to illegal immigrants. Republicans put an end to these generous unjustified subsidies and instead lowered premiums for those properly enrolled in the program and provided a massive tax cut to the middle class in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill, signed into law on July 4th.​

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Lawmakers requested CBO provide critical context behind their topline coverage estimates resulting from the health reforms in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill. CBO’s latest analysis makes clear that The One, Big, Beautiful Bill is not taking coverage away from hardworking Americans but is ending billions in subsidies for illegal immigrants, cracking down on fraud, and restoring integrity to health care programs. CBO estimates that the policies in the new law dealing with health insurance marketplace premium tax credit eligibility would reduce those who should not be getting taxpayer subsidies by 2.1 million in 2034.​

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Additionally, CBO confirms Republicans’ concerns with massive improper enrollment in Obamacare. The agency not only finds that Democrat policies have led to at least 2.3 million fraudulent enrollees in Obamacare, but also that common sense Republican program integrity reforms in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill will lower premiums for those truly eligible for the program while putting an end to these abuses.​

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Why do the Democrats want 1.2 trillion in fraud re established? Ever wonder about that.

CBO: Democrats Covered Up Widespread Fraud and Abuse in Federal Health Programs - Ways and Means
I'm not a dude - I don't work on a ranch.

White House says it will use tariff money to fund nutrition program amid shutdown​

Why don't the Democrats care as much?

That report was good for a chuckle. Those here, like the Ukrainians, the South Africans, the Cubans, the Haitians who are here on temporary legal status, are not "illegal immigrants."

 

[Always in His Presence]

That report was good for a chuckle. Those here, like the Ukrainians, the South Africans, the Cubans, the Haitians who are here on temporary legal status, are not "illegal immigrants."

Good thing the article did not say they were - !

 

[Always in His Presence]

1) if zero people are arriving illegally then the (false) argument that dems want to give free Healthcare to undocumented is moot.

What about the millions upon millions that illegally entered during the Biden Admin - are you forgetting them?

2) Americans cant even get free health care. Why would people believe the undocumented would?

There is no such thing as free health care - unless you do not pay taxes or the hospital, doctors, nurses and drug companies stop charging.

 

[wing2000]

What about the millions upon millions that illegally entered during the Biden Admin - are you forgetting them?

Moot point: They can't sign up for government health care programs.
The only care that is potentially funded is Emergency Care, which, by law, all hopitals are obligated to provide - regardless of a person's immigration status.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[wing2000]

Moot*

Ugh...(thank you).

 

[camille70]

What about the millions upon millions that illegally entered during the Biden Admin - are you forgetting them?

There is no such thing as free health care - unless you do not pay taxes or the hospital, doctors, nurses and drug companies stop charging.

Again...undocumented people are NOT eligible for federal health benefits beyond emergency room care. I'm assuming we all want people to live, so that shouldn't even be controversial.

However, if as Trump says, zero people are coming in illegally and everyone else is getting deported, then it's a moot point anyway.

I agree there is no free health care, but that is the lie being told by the GOP so I'm going with their framing.

 

[Say it aint so]

Good thing the article did not say they were - !

You have to read beyond the article.

 

[A2SG]

No - no please don't stop! It helps the Republican Party in numerous ways - please continue. Maybe add in 34 convictions and sex accusations - that's been having great results!

You're proud of electing someone proven to have committed fraud multiple times? Wow, that's just....wow.

CBO: Democrats Covered Up Widespread Fraud and Abuse in Federal Health Programs​

Recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirms that Democrats conducted a years-long, massive cover-up to defraud American taxpayers in order to subsidize fraud, waste, and abuse in federal health programs, including using loopholes to provide free health care to illegal immigrants. ​

That accusation has been debunked eight ways to Sunday, enough that I have serious doubts about what this analysis "confirms." If you can provide independent, non-partisan evidence of this, I'll listen, but until then, well, let's just say I have cause to doubt.

Republicans put an end to these generous unjustified subsidies and instead lowered premiums for those properly enrolled in the program and provided a massive tax cut to the middle class in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill, signed into law on July 4th.​

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Lawmakers requested CBO provide critical context behind their topline coverage estimates resulting from the health reforms in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill. CBO’s latest analysis makes clear that The One, Big, Beautiful Bill is not taking coverage away from hardworking Americans but is ending billions in subsidies for illegal immigrants, cracking down on fraud, and restoring integrity to health care programs. CBO estimates that the policies in the new law dealing with health insurance marketplace premium tax credit eligibility would reduce those who should not be getting taxpayer subsidies by 2.1 million in 2034.​

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Additionally, CBO confirms Republicans’ concerns with massive improper enrollment in Obamacare. The agency not only finds that Democrat policies have led to at least 2.3 million fraudulent enrollees in Obamacare, but also that common sense Republican program integrity reforms in The One, Big, Beautiful Bill will lower premiums for those truly eligible for the program while putting an end to these abuses.​

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Why do the Democrats want 1.2 trillion in fraud re established? Ever wonder about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that narrative before: everything the democrats do is bad, the republicans are paragons of virtue just trying to save America.

I don't buy it.

Here's the Democratic proposal. Show me where, exactly, they are trying to reestablish fraud.

CBO: Democrats Covered Up Widespread Fraud and Abuse in Federal Health Programs - Ways and Means
I'm not a dude - I don't work on a ranch.

White House says it will use tariff money to fund nutrition program amid shutdown​

Why don't the Democrats care as much?

I'll believe it when I see it.

-- A2SG, keep me posted on when that money shows up, would'ja?

 

[Vambram]

Mike Johnson infuriated by Dems, says party 'playing politics' with Americans' lives as shutdown continues

House Speaker Mike Johnson accuses Democrats of playing politics with Americans' lives during the ongoing government shutdown in "Fox & Friends" interview on Friday.

www.foxnews.com

 

[SimplyMe]

Mike Johnson infuriated by Dems, says party 'playing politics' with Americans' lives as shutdown continues

House Speaker Mike Johnson accuses Democrats of playing politics with Americans' lives during the ongoing government shutdown in "Fox & Friends" interview on Friday.

www.foxnews.com

Says the man refusing to seat a Democrat that has been duly elected to the House, since before the government shut down. Johnson should quit playing politics, before accusing the other side of playing politics.

 

[Say it aint so]

Mike Johnson infuriated by Dems, says party 'playing politics' with Americans' lives as shutdown continues

House Speaker Mike Johnson accuses Democrats of playing politics with Americans' lives during the ongoing government shutdown in "Fox & Friends" interview on Friday.

www.foxnews.com

"Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are playing politics with the lives of real American people. He's getting accolades right now from the far left," Johnson argued. "That was the whole objective. They had to appease the Marxist base of the Democrat Party, and so they pick this fight right now. It is absurd."​

Their fight will benefit those in red rural states who will lose their healthcare along with sometimes, keeping open the only hospital they have.

Little did we know those people are "the Marxist base"

 

[Aldebaran]

"Chuck Schumer and the Democrats are playing politics with the lives of real American people. He's getting accolades right now from the far left," Johnson argued. "That was the whole objective. They had to appease the Marxist base of the Democrat Party, and so they pick this fight right now. It is absurd."​

Their fight will benefit those in red rural states who will lose their healthcare along with sometimes, keeping open the only hospital they have.

Little did we know those people are "the Marxist base"

That healthcare stuff that Schumer and his friends shut the government down over doesn't even change at all until the end of the year, and yet he shut the govt. down over it now.

 

[eclipsenow]

psst.... while off topic - this well worn Democratic byline was debunked during Trump's first term - who debunked it - oh, the IRS

Props to the never ending repeating, but no one believe it anymore - it might just be why the Democrats are in chaos and have historically low ratings -

But please - feel free to repeat it as of ten as you please - it helps Republican gain votes.

What are you talking about? The BBB is FULL of huge tax cuts for billionaires and kicking the bottom 16 million Americans off healthcare!

The BBB rewards the rich, kicks the poor off healthcare, and scares scientists out of the country - harming America's long term innovation and earning potential.

Rewards the rich​

"A new Republican-backed bill, dubbed the “One Big Beautiful Bill Act,” could deliver massive tax breaks to the 10 wealthiest Americans — to the tune of $3.1 trillion over the next decade — according to CNN and estimates from the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School."

Top 10% of richest get 2% boost in their income - while bottom 10% - the most desperate - get a 4% drop in their income!

Trump’s new tax plan could be a $3.1 trillion gift to the 10 richest Americans, including Elon Musk

A Republican-backed bill, the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act," proposes extending 2017 tax cuts, potentially delivering $3.1 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans over the next decade. While the bill may increase average household resources, the bottom 10% could see a decline, while...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

As "The Angry Bear" states:-

It extends Trump’s 2017 tax cuts past their scheduled expiration date at the end of the year.​

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This matters little to most of the country, who did not see much benefit from the 2017 tax cut. However, it is big bucks to the rich and very rich. Each were recipients of a large tax cut from the 2017 bill. The bill also includes some extra gravy for the rich and very rich.​

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• For example, it has a provision that allows owners of businesses to have much or all of their income taxed at the lower capital gains rate of 20 percent, instead of the 37 percent rate that they would otherwise pay. Trump is also proposing to cut I.R.S. staffing in half. He has also eliminated the tax enforcement division at the Justice Department. This means Trump and Republicans are effectively putting up a huge neon sign saying “Taxes are Voluntary” for rich people across the country.
• Just to be clear, average Joe and Jane types out there should not be confused and think this means they won’t have to pay their taxes. Most of us have our taxes deducted from our paychecks. That will still happen. Maybe some of these people get some small change in interest or dividend income they can hide, but for the vast majority of ordinary people, shutting down enforcement won’t reduce our tax bill even if we wanted to cheat. For the rich and very rich, it is a very big deal....
• Making overtime tax free effectively turns the current overtime law on its head. The current law will discourage employers from requiring workers to put in long hours and to instead hire more workers. The 50 percent wage premium is a penalty for employers who insist workers put in long hours. (Overtime in almost all cases is mandatory.)
• The BBB will instead subsidize long hours by creating a zero-tax bracket for extra hours. In addition to encouraging tax gaming (remember, no one polices tax fraud anymore), this will mean employers can require workers to put in 50 and 60 hours a week and to shut up and eat their tax break. That’s not exactly family friendly. If we want to help workers putting in long hours the obvious route would be to raise the wage premium for overtime from 50 percent to 75 percent or even 100 percent. This would be money out of the employers’ pockets, not the taxpayers’ pockets.

Kicks the poorest Americans off healthcare​

The "The Angry Bear" continues:-

• The best part is how they propose to offset the cost of the tax cuts and increased spending. This is where the dying comes in. They propose large cuts in Medicaid, subsidies in the Affordable Care Act, and food and nutrition programs for low-and moderate-income households. According to the Congressional Budget Office, more than 10 million people will lose health insurance coverage from the BBB.
• People without insurance coverage don’t stop getting sick or having accidents, they just get less medical care. This means many conditions like cancer will go untreated until they reach a point where they can no longer be treated.
• The Republicans know this sounds awful, so they just lie and say no one will lose their Medicaid. This is absurd. The Congressional Budget Office is projecting close to $800 billion in savings (roughly 10 percent of Medicaid spending and 1 percent of the total budget), which the Republicans are assuming in their analysis of the bill, based on the assumption that close to 10 million people will lose benefits.
• To be clear, the Republicans are making their cuts in the sleaziest possible way, they are increasing the paperwork required to get benefits. The most important item in this category is a work requirement. As it stands, the vast majority of people getting Medicaid already work. Past experience shows that work requirements don’t increase work, but they do cause people who don’t handle the paperwork properly to lose coverage.
• To appreciate the true sleaziness of this route for cutting benefits remember that Republicans have placed a high priority on reducing regulatory paperwork for businesses, saying that it creates an unnecessary burden. When it comes to businesses that have lawyers, Republicans are very sensitive to the difficulties imposed by complying with regulations. However, when it comes to lower income people, many of whom have limited education, the Republicans are very happy to impose more paperwork.
• And experience shows many will fail to complete the necessary forms correctly. This is the basis for the CBO analysis showing over 10 million people losing coverage and the government saving $800 billion over the decade on Medicaid.
• Throwing people off health insurance to pay for tax breaks to the rich sounds pretty awful, which is why Republicans lie about what they are doing, but those of us not in on the joke need to deal with the truth, not Trump’s reality TV show version.

The truth about the BBB is pretty awful, but at least passing the bill will make Donald Trump happy.​

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“Trump’s BBB Slashes Medicaid and Rewards the Rich,” CEPR​

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https://angrybearblog.com/2025/07/breaking-down-the-bbb-bill

Scares scientists out of the country​

It doesn't stop there! The BBB punishes renewables and other green tech and climate science and now even medical science so bad that a huge brain drain is about to start. Matt Ferrell of "Undecided" fame explores the health costs, lost factory costs, infrastructure costs, and talent costs as "brain drain" accelerates and Europe and China poach American scientists. Up to 75% are considering fleeing - and it takes DECADES to woo them back.

Rather than helping the economy, Trump's BBB has shot it in the foot, both kneecaps and a kidney as well! If it isn't reversed soon - it's going to take America DECADES to recover.