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And how about you telling us how to count the number of "a" man which is the number of the beast? We are waiting? Or are you avoiding answering my question because you can't? Don't give us the excuse that you do not know because your Superman hasn't arrived yet, humm? :)
Are you speaking to me ?

I have not solved the 666 number in order to use that to identify the specific person who will become the beast king.

The best indicator, imo, is when a Jew becomes leader over a group of ten prominent EU leaders.
 
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You mis-stated what I wrote.

I never said that the disembodied spirit now in the bottomless pit resurrects the person's soul back to life.

The disembodied spirit now in the bottomless pit ascends out of it and "enters" the person's soul - as the person's soul journey's back out of hell to its lifeless body to come back to life.

Apparently, you missed the part about Isaiah 14:15...
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


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That’s what you said! Don’t play games with me. It’s still your speculation without Bible support whatsoever.
 
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That’s what you said! Don’t play games with me. It’s still your speculation without Bible support whatsoever.
I did not say that the disembodied spirit of the serpent beast is what resurrects the person. God is Who will cast his soul out of the grave (figuratively speaking) in Isaiah 14:19-20.
 
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I did not say that the disembodied spirit of the serpent beast is what resurrects the person. God is Who will cast his soul out of the grave (figuratively speaking) in Isaiah 14:19-20.

It will not happen because that is not what Bible, under the authority of the Holy Spirit, teaches. You just make it up.
 
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Are you speaking to me ?

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I have not solved the 666 number in order to use that to identify the specific person who will become the beast king.

That is not what God said. He said to count the number for it is the number of beast. He did not say to wait until "a" beast king show up then you will figure out his number. Not gonna to happen.

The best indicator, imo, is when a Jew becomes leader over a group of ten prominent EU leaders.

No, God did not tell us to wait until that end-time person shows up. He said to count the number for it is the number of the beast. For it is the number of man. This is the beast "that you saw was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition." His number existed the whole time! Not just the period of the end time. So you need to have the wisdom (granted by God) to COUNT THAT NUMBER to find out who receives the mark of the beast. Hint: It is all people upon the earth who worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the fountain of the world. So again, how do you count the number to find out who the body of the beast is. And it is NOT the number of a single man!
 
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That is not what God said. He said to count the number for it is the number of beast. He did not say to wait until "a" beast king show up then you will figure out his number. Not gonna to happen.
Who is it that enacts the number of the beast's name, his name, the mark of his name - buy/sell law ?
 
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No, God did not tell us to wait until that end-time person shows up. He said to count the number for it is the number of the beast.
In Revelation 13, verse 18 is within the context of the 42 months of verse 5 that the person is the beast king.
 
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So again, how do you count the number to find out who the body of the beast is. And it is NOT the number of a single man!
The body of the beast ? What text are you referring to that has the "body" of beast in the text ? The 666 is tied to the beast's name, not his body.
 
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In Revelation 13, verse 18 is within the context of the 42 months of verse 5 that the person is the beast king.

Also in the context of 42 months:

Rev 13:1-5
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
(2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
(3) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
(5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

He existed before the 42 months, per context. Only his power was restrained (head deadly wounded) at the Cross, bound during the millennial kingdom until Christ finish building his church. AFTER THIS, the beast's head healed with power restored to resume (continue) 42 more months.

Now tell us how we count his number. :)
 
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He existed before the 42 months, per context. Only his power was removed (restrained) at the Cross, bound during the millennial kingdom until Christ finish building his church. AFTER THIS, the beast will resume (continue) 42 more months.
You must be expressing some amil beliefs. The beast king is end times, in the near future, as is king 7 who continues for a short space (Revelation 17:10).
 
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You must be expressing some amil beliefs.

I just show you Revelation 13:1-5 exactly who the beast is. It is a matter of receiving what it says. But you decide to accuse me of "amil beliefs". Lame.

The beast king is end times, in the near future, as is king 7 who continues for a short space (Revelation 17:10).

It is the same beast before the Cross. You just do not understand who or what the beast is. He is not a human king as you alleged since he did not exist before the Cross. Yet, you came and make up a theory to suggest that the "disembodied spirit of the serpent beast" will take over a human's body when it resurrects in the future which is not only absurd but unbiblical. It's purely man-made speculation.
 
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It is the same beast before the Cross. You just do not understand who or what the beast is. He is not a human king as you alleged since he did not exist before the Cross. Yet, you came and make up a theory to suggest that the "disembodied spirit of the serpent beast" will take over a human's body when it resurrects in the future which is not only absurd but unbiblical. It's purely man-made speculation.
The beast king is the mortally wounded but healed head on the composite beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13.

'The Scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 does not have a mortally wounded but healed head. Neither does the great red dragon beast of Revelation 12.

You claim to know the beast king's name. So what is it ?
 
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The beast king is the mortally wounded but healed head on the composite beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13.

'The Scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 does not have a mortally wounded but healed head. Neither does the great red dragon beast of Revelation 12.

Speculation. They are one and the same beast!
You claim to know the beast king's name. So what is it ?

The beast who comes out of the bottomless pit? Its in the Scripture:

Rev 9:11
(11) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

The name of the messenger (angel) of the bottomless pit is Abaddon and Apollyon. These are another name for Satan, a destroyer.
 
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Speculation. They are one and the same beast!
The Revelation 17 Scarlet colored beast, the Revelation 12 Great Red Dragon beast, the Revelation 13 composite beast coming out of the sea - are all the same beast you say ?

So who are you claiming is the same beast for all three chapters?
 
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The Revelation 17 Scarlet colored beast, the Revelation 12 Great Red Dragon beast, the Revelation 13 composite beast coming out of the sea - are all the same beast you say ?

So who are you claiming is the same beast for all three chapters?

The beast is the BODY of the antichrist (unsaved) which is Satan's kingdom.

I'll give a quick brief overview of "my" understanding of Revelation 13 for starter. As you know, evil beasts are images in Scripture that often signify the carnal (fleshly), beastly, dangerous nature of man. It is sometimes used to signify evil Kingdoms or wicked carnal individuals. Like King David once admitted:

Psalms 73:22
  • "So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee."
It is my position that beasts are often used in Scripture to signify the animalistic flesh-driven nature of man. Without Christ, man is as a creature or beast without conscience or wisdom, and like a beast his driving force is to get whatever it desires, to tear, to devour, without consideration for law. It is often used to represent kingdoms or individuals as a token of those who live by the flesh (carnal nature) rather than the Spirit of God's law. I also believe that Revelation chapter 13 uses this imagery to paint a portrait of the carnal kingdom of Satan, as well as the false prophets and christs whom he empowers to devour. The carnal, rebellious, disobedient man ruled by Satan is the likness (image) of the beast.

Revelation 13:1-2
  • "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
  • And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."
Without going into too much detail, the sea is often used in Scripture as a synonym for the deep, bottomless pit or abyss, the spiritual place where this evil spirit resides ready to be loosed upon man at any moment. The first beast is the body of the antichrist (his kingdom) that was wounded at Christ's death and resurrection. The heads in Scripture often signify authority, and the number 7 is the perfect number of completeness. Thus I believe that the 7 heads represent Satan's authority to rule as the prince of this world throughout time (7 mountains = 7 kingdoms). Horns in Scripture often signify the power of whatever is in view, as the horn that was broken in Daniel (meaning his power was broken). The number 10 signifies the fullness of whatever is in view. In this instance the 10 horns signify Satan's "Power" over men to rule for the fullness of this short period of time near the time of the end of the world. The fullness and rule of this period is also spoken of in Scripture as one hour. Thus these 10 horns rule (as kings) with the beast kingdom one hour. And their crowns again illustrate they reign with him. i.e., crowns are for kings.

Revelation 17:12
  • "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."
This also shows clearly that the first beast (with these 10 horns) spans the completeness (7) of time, and near the end of this time (the 1 hour of God's judgment) when the church becomes spiritually Babylon, these 10 kings will reign with him for this short period (little season KJV) after Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit. The wound that was healed was the power of Satan to deceive the nations, which was before taken away (when Satan was bound) by Chris. At this time when Satan is loosed (the would healed), he again goes out to gather together and deceive the nations to bring them up against the camp of the saints.

Revelation 13:3
  • "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."
Christ, of course, wounded him by the cross, and also looses the beast, or heals that wound, after all Israel are sealed. Satan is loosed so that He might bring judgment upon the unfaithful (spiritual harlot) church.

Revelation 13:4-5
  • "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
  • And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."
Under the authority of Satan, these kings rule and go to make war against the camp of the saints (the church), it being judged of God for its abominations, after which is the return of Christ on the clouds of glory. Christ wounds and Christ heals that wound, to the glory of God.

Psalms 68:20-22
  • "He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death.
  • But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.
  • The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea:"
Compare Revelation 17:8,11 of, "the beast that was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit." In other words, this is the Beast, this is the power of Satan as he brought Old Testament Israel into apostasy, as Christ defeated him at the Cross, and as he again ascends out of the bottomless pit to attack the New Testament church in the end. Just as a ravenous beast would attack the sheep in a fold, so Satan comes as an adversary of the house of God. He was because He ruled before Christ bound him. He is not because Christ bound Him so Christ could build His church by spoiling people from Satan's house (world). And after this, Satan ascends out of the Pit because Christ loosened him since He has secured all Elect he intended to seal has been sealed.

And Satan's ability to bring God's external church down was bound or restrained by Christ's binding Satan over 2000 years ago, but his loosing after the millennial reign allows this judgment, even as Israel was judged. Thus the Gentile congregation is no better than the Jewish one. Apostasy knows no bounds. The blasphemies that he speaks are his false teachings and contradictions forsaking the Word of God. These are the great things he speaks that deceive and which Revelation 13 talks about.

Revelation 13:6-7
  • "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
  • And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

Same as Revelation 20 when Satan is loosed from the Pit to make war with the saints.

Revelation 13:8-9
  • "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
  • If any man have an ear, let him hear."
All of those who aren't sealed of God in Israel worship the carnal, Pseudo or Antichrist instead of God. He has deceived them so that they serve him, thinking they do God service.

Revelation 13:10-11
  • "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
  • And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."
John sees another vision of a beast coming up from the earth. The earth signifies they come up from the world, and this beast has two horns like a lamb, but speaks as a dragon. This beast represents the false prophets. They come looking like they have the power of the messenger of light (horns signify power, the number two signifies the truthful witness of the church), but what gives them away is that they speak as the Dragon, which is Satan. In other words, they appear as a messenger of light, but their gospel is false and of the adversary Satan.

The first beast, who the false prophets cause men to worship, represents the antichrist, or more to the point Satan's substitute kingdom. It is the body of false worshipers. Revelation is written this way because just as the true church is represented by the body of Christ, and the Old Testament congregation by the body of Moses, the false congregation is seen as the body of the anti (substitute) or false Christ. The false prophets are those who cause the unfaithful to depart from Scripture and worship Him. All Israel who are not sealed unto the day of redemption.

Revelation 13:12-14
  • "And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
  • And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
  • And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."
The deadly wound was given the beast who is to be worshiped at the cross. Christ dealt the adversary a death wound so that he could not deceive the nations (and the church could be built), but at this time Satan is loosed from his prison. This is spoken of as the deadly wound being healed, and the reason is so that the unfaithful people of the world might again serve him (as judgment). The false prophets, the second beast, deceive the unfaithful people and seduce them into serving this antichrist kingdom by means of false miracles, signs and wonders. Remember, Christ was bound for the specific purpose of the nations not being deceived. Now that He is loosed, his false prophets again deceive the nations, in order to usher in the Lord's second coming.

Revelation 13:15-16
  • " And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
  • And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"
The false prophets give life to the likeness of the Antichrist by propagating their false teachings, which leads to them overcoming the church and causing all the faithful therein (the two witnesses) to be killed. Those remaining as a judgment of God are said to be marked on their hand (not literally as some suppose, but spiritually) signifying their will belongs to them, and in their forehead, signifying their mind is sold out to Satan. Just as a cow is branded or marked to signify ownership, so this signifies these unsealed are slaves to the antichrist.

Revelation 13:17-18
  • "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
  • Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Not the number of "a" man as may be written in your "translation," but the original says it is the number "of Man," signifying the lawless man (man of sin) or man of lawlessness. The buying and selling signify the work of the church, and no one can work there except those who have been spiritually marked slaves of Satan. The mark God tells us is 666, the number of man (not a man).

So that is basically my brief overview of Revelation 13.
 
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Someone may ask aboiut the power of the beast to give life unto the image of the beast. and how could it speak.

The answer is the power is in their tongues. A false god can only come to life through the words of men, who speak, teach and propagate them. Remember, Satan only works (speaks) through men, as they are the ones with the spirit of disobedience. In this cryptic imagery, Satan has given his children his number, 666! Hey that is a hint for you to answer my question about counting the number! Anyway, that's also why God says it is the number of man (unsaved man - all of them). Because like being branded, they are indicated as slaves to Satan, constrained to do his will. The beast is brought to life through the false doctrines and teachings of the sinful man, or man of lawlessness (any way you want to translate it) in the unfaithful congregation of God. The second beast represents the false prophets of this kingdom. They have the power to give life to the beast because words are power! It's always been.

Please note it says their power was "that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." As we look at Revelation chapter 11, it is the beast of the false prophets and teachers who kill the two witnesses. And they kill them with false teachings that extinguish the true witness. Selah! The two witnesses' words tormented the unrighteous "because" it was an offense to them. Just as Christ's Words tormented and made angry the rulers of Israel!

So the first beast represents the carnal kingdom empowered by Satan and causing apostasy, which was wounded at the cross, that God's congregation Israel could be restored in the New Testament dispensation. At this time the deadly wound is healed, and the second beast (the false prophets of the New Testament church) resurrects (so to speak) this body of death that God's house again would worship Satan. This is why the second beast has horns like a lamb and speaks like the very same Dragon, and they cause the people to worship this wounded/healed beast. For all intents and purposes, this first beast represents Satan's Kingdom throughout time. The false prophets and idolaters serve it and give it life by their words.

The false prophet's WORDS bring life to the first beast in the same way as our preaching the gospel brings life to our congregation or body of Christ! Antichrist (substitute Christ) versus Christ. The death blow by Christ, the binding of Satan, took away the life of the beast so that Christ's church could be built. But AFTER the church is built and the testimony of the two witnesses, for the purpose of saving all Elect God wanted, is finished, this beast is given life again that the nations (that couldn't be deceived) are now allowed to be deceived per Revelation 20.

Selah
 
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The beast is the BODY of the antichrist (unsaved) which is Satan's kingdom.
The Scarlet colored beast, the Great Red Dragon beast, the composite beast out of the sea.... you say is the Body of the antichrist (unsaved).

The bible says in Revelation 12:9 that the great dragon is Satan. Proving what you say wrong.


It is my position that beasts are often used in Scripture to signify the animalistic flesh-driven nature of man. Without Christ, man is as a creature or beast without conscience or wisdom, and like a beast his driving force is to get whatever it desires, to tear, to devour, without consideration for law. I
The bible says that man is made in the image of God, and was not called a beast in the garden of eden - but the serpent was which you refuse to acknowledge as the beast who was and is not in Revelation 17:8a. So you are wrong again.

Without going into too much detail, the sea is often used in Scripture as a synonym for the deep, bottomless pit or abyss, the spiritual place where this evil spirit resides ready to be loosed upon man at any moment.
The text in of Revelation 17:15 says the waters upon which the woman sits are the peoples, and multitues, and nations, and tongues - i.e. the sea of humanity. The beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13:1-2, is that it comes out of the nations - not out of the pit or abyss. So you are wrong again.

. The heads in Scripture often signify authority, and the number 7 is the perfect number of completeness. Thus I believe that the 7 heads represent Satan's authority to rule as the prince of this world throughout time (7 mountains = 7 kingdoms).
So you believe that Satan's authority is perfect completeness. The text says 7 kings - not 7 kingdoms. So you are wrong again.
. The mark God tells us is 666, the number of man (not a man).
The mark and the 666 digit and the name of the beast are three separate inscriptions a person must display on their right hand or forehead, to make it possible to buy/sell according to the false prophet's enacted law with 42 months left in the 7 years.

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So you are wrong again.

Nearly everything I am reading of your idealist interpretive view does not agree with the text of Revelation.

Thanks for providing your view though.
 
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The Scarlet colored beast, the Great Red Dragon beast, the composite beast out of the sea.... you say is the Body of the antichrist (unsaved).

The bible says in Revelation 12:9 that the great dragon is Satan. Proving what you say wrong.

Not at all!

All three beasts are not three separate entities. They are one and the same, the body of the dragon. They are the carnal kingdom of Satan (beast out of sea), as well as the false prophets (beast out of earth) whom Satan (dragon) empowers to devour! They are carnal, rebellious, disobedient man ruled by Satan is the lines (image) of the beast.
The bible says that man is made in the image of God, and was not called a beast in the garden of eden - but the serpent was which you refuse to acknowledge as the beast who was and is not in Revelation 17:8a. So you are wrong again.

You think I am wrong because you have carnal thinking that came up theory of separate entities. You just lack spiritual discernment of who they represent.

The text in of Revelation 17:15 says the waters upon which the woman sits are the peoples, and multitues, and nations, and tongues - i.e. the sea of humanity.

Right, the sea of the wicked.
The beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13:1-2, is that it comes out of the nations - not out of the pit or abyss. So you are wrong again.

Of course not. It is carnal kingdom of Satan coming out of sea! It make up of wicked PEOPLE! It has nothing to do with certain physical nations on the map or one man.


So you believe that Satan's authority is perfect completeness. The text says 7 kings - not 7 kingdoms. So you are wrong again.

You misunderstood. The kings are also kingdoms. Not seven men. The seven heads represent the completeness of his authority over time. Not 7 literal nations. Again, like I said, spiritual discernment. Not a homework on world map.

The mark and the 666 digit and the name of the beast are three separate inscriptions a person must display on their right hand or forehead, to make it possible to buy/sell according to the false prophet's enacted law with 42 months left in the 7 years.

Three separate inscriptions?? No, God said to count that number and how do you do it? And can you explain why did God said the mark will be on right hand and forehead? And buying and selling with what exactly? Let hear from you.


Not likely. Like Truth7t7, explain how do you count the number. Let's see if you have wisdom or not it has nothing to do with "three separate inscriptions" and that is now how you count.

Nearly everything I am reading of your idealist interpretive view does not agree with the text of Revelation.

Says a man with carnal mind.
 
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