The scarlet beast is....

[TribulationSigns]

Good advice. That's what I did to you a long time ago.

And yet you are talking to me? You must have missed me.

 

[Douggg]

I know that, but he never said he uses the NIV and he quoted scripture from the KJV in his post. So, why didn't you change the question so that it actually applied to him if you wanted him to answer the same question, only using his preferred translation instead?

Because I am trying to show you the mistake the translators of the NIV made in calling the beast king "it" instead of "him".

 

[TribulationSigns]

I know that (hello?), but he never said he uses the NIV and he quoted scripture from the KJV in his post. So, why didn't you change the question so that it actually applied to him if you wanted him to answer the same question, only using his preferred translation instead?

Get what Spiritual Jew said, @Douggg ?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The question is not about me personally, but about....

Where in your NIV translation is king 8 in Revelation 13 ?

King 8 is the beast king in Revelation 17:11.

Yes, I am well aware that "the beast king" is not about you. LOL. I have already spent too much time responding to your beliefs that you have all to yourself. What does that accomplish? It's pointless, really. It's not as if I should be concerned that you will influence anyone to agree with you on all this. That is highly unlikely. So, I'm done with this. I'm not saying I won't talk to you about other things, but I don't want to take any more time talking about things that only you believe. If you can't understand that, then you're not even trying.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Because I am trying to show you the mistake the translators of the NIV made in calling the beast king "it" instead of "him".

So? It does not make a difference, whether it is "he" or "it". It is still the same beast, the body of Satan.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Because I am trying to show you the mistake the translators of the NIV made in calling the beast king "it" instead of "him".

LOL. But, you were asking him to answer the question, so referring to "your NIV translation" in response to him, a KJV user, made no sense. Why not just admit that? Swallow your pride for once and admit you made a mistake there. Can you do that?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

And yet you are talking to me? You must have missed me.

LOL. I guess it didn't work since he's somehow still talking to you.

 

[Douggg]

LOL. But, you were asking him to answer the question, so referring to "your NIV translation" in response to him, a KJV user, made no sense. Why not just admit that? Swallow your pride for once and admit you made a mistake there. Can you do that?

The kjv refers to the beast king as "him" not "it". So the problem is not with the kjv.

 

[Douggg]

LOL. I guess it didn't work since he's somehow still talking to you.

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[Spiritual Jew]

The kjv refers to the beast king as "him" not "it". So the problem is not with the kjv.

Your problem is not being willing to humble yourself when YOU make a mistake, regardless of whether or not you think the NIV translators made a mistake. And you mistakenly asked TribulationSigns to answer a question according to his NIV translation even though he doesn't use the NIV. You're probably embarrassed that you did that, but mistakes happen. Just own up to it. Denying it only makes things worse.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The kjv refers to the beast king as "him" not "it". So the problem is not with the kjv.

So? The beast is still Satan. What you do not understand t hat the beast themselves is the systemic rule of Satan, "through carmal men," that are "as beasts!" It is talking about Satan, and his ministers of unrighteousness, which are PEOPLE! Not one man with a superpower in your flawed doctrine and charts.

Thus how Satan rules through them to attack the Lord's people. Not taking over one human's soul and using its resurrected body to attack God's people. Thats absurd!

 

[Spiritual Jew]

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I am aware of that. I wasn't meaning that I didn't think there was any way you could still talk to him if you wanted to. But, why would you want to talk to him now if he's on your ignore list? Maybe you should just take him off the list at this point since you apparently have no problem talking to him now.

 

[TribulationSigns]

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You still miss me by showing my ignored content and replying.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

So? The beast is still Satan. What you do not understand t hat the beast themselves is the systemic rule of Satan, "through carmal men," that are "as beasts!" It is talking about Satan, and his ministers of unrighteousness, which are PEOPLE! Not one man with a superpower in your flawed doctrine and charts.

Thus how Satan rules through them to attack the Lord's people. Not taking over one human's soul and using its resurrected body to attack God's people. Thats absurd!

It's completely absurd and contradicts what Daniel and Jesus Himself said will happen to unbelievers who are resurrected.

Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Scripture teaches that a time is coming when all dead unbelievers will be resurrected "to shame and everlasting contempt" and will be condemned at that time. There is nothing in scripture which teaches that any dead unbeliever will ever be resurrected back to mortal life while then being allowed to continue living their lives. So, he's just making things up that contradict scriptures like these and are not taught anywhere in scripture.

 

[Douggg]

Your problem is not being willing to humble yourself when YOU make a mistake, regardless of whether or not you think the NIV translators made a mistake. And you mistakenly asked TribulationSigns to answer a question according to his NIV translation even though he doesn't use the NIV. You're probably embarrassed that you did that, but mistakes happen. Just own up to it. Denying it only makes things worse.

I am not getting side tracked. My question to you was...

Where in your NIV translation is king 8 in Revelation 13 ?

King 8 is the beast king in Revelation 17:11.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I like to add if anyone interested to understand better who beast really is:

Satan is thee beast, ruling through men, who are as beasts. Just as Satan is thee antichrist, ruling in many antichrists, which are men. There is a principle here that many are missing in their misinterpretation of scripture. Why does God call wicked men serpents, and calls Satan the serpent? Why is Christ called the Star, and we, His servants, called stars? The point I am making is that just because you cannot recognize Satan as the beast, and natural or carnal man as a beast, doesn't mean God doesn't!. Get it Douggg? Even Paul himself wrote:

1st Corinthians 15:32

• "If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die."

Did Paul wrestle with a bear, spar with a lion or tangle with a leopard? No, his fight was with men who were "as beasts" in that they were without moral values, judgment, knowledge or wisdom. That is what the beast is!

If I might digress for a minute. What separates man from the dumb beasts of the field is his reasoning and intelligence. Man was created in the image or likeness of God so that (unlike dumb beasts) man was instilled with a certain intellect, reason and the inherent knowledge of His creator. Beasts have no reasoning, they have no knowledge, and they are not sensible. God often contrasts man with beast and even labels man a beast himself when he acts foolishly or without reasoning, or in a ravenous or vicious way. God even goes so far as to speak of man as a beast when illustrating man as unknowledgeable or simple (stupid, if you will). So the symbolism of a beast I believe is to illustrate man under the influence of Satan acting without reason or knowledge, or when lacking in wisdom and understanding, as one acting foolishly. E.g.:

Psalms 73:22

• "So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee."

Apparently, God thinks the foolish and ignorant man "IS" as a beast.

For example, look at this nation and the world for example...When God loosened the beast from bottomless pit, why do you see more and more wicked people with lack of moral values, judgment, knowledge or wisdom everywhere on Earth now? Why are there more and more "karens" out there? Why are more homosexuality out there? Where are there more transgenders out there where foolish people are giving them rights including play in women's sport? Why are there many political leaders without knowledge or wisdom but end up lying all the time than before? It is because God has removed his restraining hand so that there are many men, women and children with spirit of antichrist become more obvious and powerful. This is HOW God's people see Satan being REVEALED, through people!!! They are able to overcome and silence the truthful testimony of Elect (two Witnesses) and they do not care about the Truth dying anymore just as Revelation 11 warned.

That is the sign of Satan's loosening and works through men! But no, look at some people here, they are looking for one superman, a 7 years peace treaty with Israel, an army of literal locusts coming out of human's mouths, or a solar storm from sun that cause satellites to fall on Earth as "stars". They have no clues what God talked about while denying that unfaithful congregation all over the world are under judgment. Christ's coming is closer than we think?

@Spiritual Jew



Sad.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It's completely absurd and contradicts what Daniel and Jesus Himself said will happen to unbelievers who are resurrected.

Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Scripture teaches that a time is coming when all dead unbelievers will be resurrected "to shame and everlasting contempt" and will be condemned at that time. There is nothing in scripture which teaches that any dead unbeliever will ever be resurrected back to mortal life while then being allowed to continue living their lives. So, he's just making things up that contradict scriptures like these and are not taught anywhere in scripture.

Agreed.

 

[Douggg]

You still miss me by showing my ignored content and replying.

More a case of fortifying why I have you on ignore.

 

[TribulationSigns]

More a case of fortifying why I have you on ignore.

Again?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I am not getting side tracked.

Translation: You refuse to acknowledge that you made a mistake in the way you replied to TribulationSigns. So be it.

My question to you was...

Where in your NIV translation is king 8 in Revelation 13 ?

King 8 is the beast king in Revelation 17:11.

How many times do I have to say that I believe every reference to the beast in Revelation is to the same beast which takes different forms as the years go by? You disagree and think that there are at least three different beasts (even besides the second beast/false prophet first mentioned in Revelation 13, I think) that are referenced in Revelation. Whatever. I don't have any interest in discussing this any further with you because it's pointless for me to refute something that only you believe. So, just accept that and move on.