The "Saints" are More Righteous Than We Are...

[mont974x4]

my one friend wore it to high school and an atheist came up and was like oooh thats awesome religion sucks! and then she had to be like oh no no im a Christian. just seems too problematic for me, although i know what you mean.

I actually sell a t-shirt in my Christian men's store that says "No Religion". It can be a great conversation starter.

 

[Gary51]

Man, I hope I never go to YOUR heaven. In MY heaven, everyone is ALIVE.

John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man.

 

[Thekla]

John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man.

better tell John (Revelations)

whoops ! that is John

 

[Gary51]

better tell John (Revelations)

whoops ! that is John

John wrote it... Why?

 

[Thekla]

John wrote it... Why?

apparently, Revelations is an update (post-resurrection)

 

[Gary51]

apparently, Revelations is an update (post-resurrection)

Can you show me this update?

 

[Catholic Christian]

John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man.

HEAVEN:

Hebrews 12: 22-24: But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect [saints], and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

 

[Gary51]

HEAVEN:

Hebrews 12: 22-24: But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect [saints], and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

John 3:13 is a simple straightforward statement not open to interpretation by a rational mind.

So, I don't see what it is you are showing me... I can't see what is in your mind from whatever way you may interpret that verse.

 

[Rick Otto]

I actually sell a t-shirt in my Christian men's store that says "No Religion". It can be a great conversation starter.

You & John Lennon, Father Hen!

 

[mont974x4]

LOL I'll try to post a pick of the shirt tomorrow when I am at work again. Today, I am putting baseboard in my house.

I need to get it finished in case we need to sell.

 

[Rick Otto]

apparently, Revelations is an update (post-resurrection)

I thought that was vision, not an actual beam up.

 

[Gary51]

I thought that was vision, not an actual beam up.

It was a vision... a vision of the future resurrection.

But of course there as those that believe it to be literal... You know, like the ones that believe the story of the rich man and Lazarus was literal and not a parable!

 

[Rick Otto]

John had the first "tell-a-vision".
DANG!
You're right!
I hadn't realized that about that... guess I was too mesmerized from starin' at the flames.
Good point. Thanks a lot for that, friend.

So how 'bout it? Whose the guy in your photo icon?
Izzat you? Looks like Johnny Depp.

 

[Thekla]

It was a vision... a vision of the future resurrection.

But of course there as those that believe it to be literal... You know, like the ones that believe the story of the rich man and Lazarus was literal and not a parable!

conflate parable and vision ...

 

[Rick Otto]

conflate parable and vision ...

Graft an apple branch onto an orange tree?

 

[Thekla]

Graft an apple branch onto an orange tree?

trunk thing, huh ?

 

[Rick Otto]

Tusk, tusk! (wagging finger)

You suggested the conflation, you give a demonstration.

 

[Thekla]

Tusk, tusk! (wagging finger)

You suggested the conflation, you give a demonstration.

truth is revealed in a variety of ways

 

[Rick Otto]

truth is revealed in a variety of ways

Put the menu on the table.
I can't place an order if I can't see what you're sellin'.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Paragraph 5. The Communion of Saints
from the Catechism Of The Catholic Church
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p5.htm

946 - After confessing "the holy catholic Church," the Apostles' Creed adds "the communion of saints." In a certain sense this article is a further explanation of the preceding: "What is the Church if not the assembly of all the saints?" The communion of saints is the Church.

947 - "Since all the faithful form one body, the good of each is communicated to the others. . . . We must therefore believe that there exists a communion of goods in the Church. But the most important member is Christ, since he is the head. . . . Therefore, the riches of Christ are communicated to all the members, through the sacraments."480 "As this Church is governed by one and the same Spirit, all the goods she has received necessarily become a common fund."

948 - The term "communion of saints" therefore has two closely linked meanings: communion "in holy things (sancta)" and "among holy persons (sancti)."

Sancta sanctis! ("God's holy gifts for God's holy people") is proclaimed by the celebrant in most Eastern liturgies during the elevation of the holy Gifts before the distribution of communion. The faithful (sancti) are fed by Christ's holy body and blood (sancta) to grow in the communion of the Holy Spirit (koinonia) and to communicate it to the world.