The "Saints" are More Righteous Than We Are...

[Rick Otto]

No, I ain't sayin' anybody sins in heaven.

 

[jckstraw72]

Interesting speculation. I assume that you mean that revelation is not confined to the Bible, since we all know that God himself is not. But where would one come up with a theory like that?

its been believed as such for 2000 yrs. i wonder where ppl come up with the theory that revelation IS confined to the Bible?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

I think that is what he meant, at least, I hope that's what he meant.


Regardless, many people do not realize just how dangerous that thinking is. If His Truth is not just found in Scripture then we end up with things like the book of mormon or dictates of rome taking presidence over Gods Word and the public at large being able to say what truth is...what is a post modernist to do?

Many people add and subtract from the fulness of the gospel without ever adding or subtracting the verses we would all agree are scripture. Selective text reading, reading out of context, massaging scripture to defend pet doctrines, etc.

Any truth, so-called is measured against scripture, found within the context of the Church.

Now allow me to make Jckstraws point:
The abolition of slavery is NOT found in scripture- though the doing of such found easy affirmation in scripture.

NO
Abolition of slavery in America and England began in America with the Quakers, a group not so inclined to be bible only. Abolitionists in England, Wilberforce for eg, led by personal revlation of the ungodliness of slavery, saw to it that it ended.

Abolition- NOT found in the bible (slaves, obey your masters), but found by revelation measured against the bible canon.

 

[CatholicFlame]

Many people add and subtract from the fulness of the gospel without ever adding or subtracting the verses we would all agree are scripture. Selective text reading, reading out of context, massaging scripture to defend pet doctrines, etc.

Any truth, so-called is measured against scripture, found within the context of the Church.

Now allow me to make Jckstraws point:
The abolition of slavery is NOT found in scripture- though the doing of such found easy affirmation in scripture.

NO
Abolition of slavery in America and England began in America with the Quakers, a group not so inclined to be bible only. Abolitionists in England, Wilberforce for eg, led by personal revlation of the ungodliness of slavery, saw to it that it ended.

Abolition- NOT found in the bible (slaves, obey your masters), but found by revelation measured against the bible canon.

That is a very good point Rdr.

I would also add that youth ministries and music ministries are not nessecarily found in scripture. Nor is the exact details of worship, but we do what we can and hope to never offend God.

I think taht the rule of never cotradicting scriputre but being open to a deeper understanding of it, is note worthy.

God may give more details the future of course!

 

[BreadAlone]

I think we've all heard of adiophora. God has revealed all that is necessary for salvation in his word. When something isn't defined in the scriptures, it's up to good Christian common-sense to determine what is "beneficial" rather than just "permissable."

 

[sunlover1]

I think we've all heard of adiophora.

Not me.

God has revealed all that is necessary for salvation in his word. When something isn't defined in the scriptures, it's up to good Christian common-sense to determine what is "beneficial" rather than just "permissable."

So do you agree with the OP question?

 

[CatholicFlame]

I think we've all heard of adiophora. God has revealed all that is necessary for salvation in his word. When something isn't defined in the scriptures, it's up to good Christian common-sense to determine what is "beneficial" rather than just "permissable."

That is true.

But maybe the problem is when people are unsure of what the bible even says in the first place about what is important.

 

[Rick Otto]

That is true.

But maybe the problem is when people are unsure of what the bible even says in the first place about what is important.

Ok, but then examine your doubts. it isn't a great mystery to figure out their nature & origin.

The Bible isn't the only place the gospel (God's greatest glory) is written & spoken of:

Psalms 19:1-6 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4 Their line F58 is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

 

[CatholicFlame]

Ok, but then examine your doubts. it isn't a great mystery to figure out their nature & origin.

Rick I did not mean to imply that I am having doubts, but I do remember before that before I returned to the church, I had alot of questions. Of course I don't claim to know everything now though! But yeah let me say something that can help explain where I was at before.

So when I was going to an evangelical non-denom a while ago, one day I heard one of the pastors say that we could not lose our salvation no matter what we did! Wow , I was greatly troubled when I heard that because before I had gone to any church, I already had a personal relationship with God. I would talk with Him and be guided by Him and everything. He would also correct me when I did the wrong thing too.

So when I heard one of the pastors say this, I was greatly confused! In fact, I went hjome and cried because he had given me some verses to "prove" what he was saying. wow I cried alot that night and prayed for God to help me to understand, because I didn't. I was totally confused because what he was teaching completely contradicted what the Lord had shown me in my walk with Him.

So you know, I went ot bed crying. And I tell you what happened to me, because I can still remember it, when I woke up the next morning, like the instant I woke up, I knew the answer. It was like BOOM! right in my face, I knew.

God answered my prayer.

 

[Albion]

Rick I did not mean to imply that I am having doubts, but I do remember before that before I returned to the church, I had alot of questions. Of course I don't claim to know everything now though! But yeah let me say something that can help explain where I was at before.

So when I was going to an evangelical non-denom a while ago, one day I heard one of the pastors say that we could not lose our salvation no matter what we did! Wow , I was greatly troubled when I heard that because before I had gone to any church, I already had a personal relationship with God. I would talk with Him and be guided by Him and everything. He would also correct me when I did the wrong thing too.

So when I heard one of the pastors say this, I was greatly confused! In fact, I went hjome and cried because he had given me some verses to "prove" what he was saying. wow I cried alot that night and prayed for God to help me to understand, because I didn't. I was totally confused because what he was teaching completely contradicted what the Lord had shown me in my walk with Him.

So you know, I went ot bed crying. And I tell you what happened to me, because I can still remember it, when I woke up the next morning, like the instant I woke up, I knew the answer. It was like BOOM! right in my face, I knew.

God answered my prayer.

You woke up suddenly convinced to join a particular church you'd never considered before?

 

[CatholicFlame]

You woke up suddenly convinced to join a particular church you'd never considered before?

No no not at all, lol.

btw Hi Albion, we have not talked together for awhile. I hope that you are doing well my brother.

No the answer that I had was that the context of what Paul was saying (lol and back then I had no idea what context was in reading scripture) was that He was speaking to Jews when He said that we are not saved by works.

He did not mean to imply that our works are not important, but was speaking of works not done in faith in Jesus.

I would have to explain this a little better to help it make more sense, but my point is that God can really help us through prayer when we have struggles with faith questions. Sometimes, going to a person is not the best way to answer a question. But prayer really works.

 

[Albion]

No no not at all, lol.

btw Hi Albion, we have not talked together for awhile. I hope that you are doing well my brother.

Thank you. Greetings to you, too.

No the answer that I had was that the context of what Paul was saying (lol and back then I had no idea what context was in reading scripture) was that He was speaking to Jews when He said that we are not saved by works.

He did not mean to imply that our works are not important, but was speaking of works not done in faith in Jesus.

I would have to explain this a little better to help it make more sense, but my point is that God can really help us through prayer when we have struggles with faith questions. Sometimes, going to a person is not the best way to answer a question. But prayer really works.

Oh yes, I see what you mean now.