The Sabbath

[Bob Carabbio]

Why, then was it NOT included in the "Necessary things" for the Gentile Church to observe???

 

[Mr Pickles]

more open debate on this subject for and against and why

Mark of a Cult—Michael Rood, Passion for Truth Ministries, Hebrew Roots « Ticklingwontdo's Blog

 

[Mr Pickles]

How to Keep the Sabbath

 

[Alive_Again]

One of my favorite messages about grace by Derek Prince, Derek talks about how many churches incorporate the law into their church requirements. Whether it is by what you must wear or not not wear, what day you fellowship on, not using musical instruments, not eating meat, etc.

He goes on to point out that if you drove your car to church, according to the requirements of the law concerning the sabbath, you should be stoned. Not only that if someone saw your do it and they don't stone you, that person should be stoned. There's no mercy involved for breaking the sabbath.

As believers we enter into the rest of God, completing all of the requirements of the law by walking in the Spirit. We fulfill the spirit of that law. If you do a study in the Word on the word "sabbath", looking at the law from a New Covenant perspective, it will become more obvious to you that the sabbath requirements are fulfilled in Him.

Moses told the Israelites not to add or take away from the law. The Law is one single and complete system. "It came through Moses and terminated through Jesus Christ."

He says that "most Christians want to play around with the law, and they want to keep those parts which suit them, and fit into their particular religious views and culture, and ignore the rest, and that is not permitted."

"If you're going to keep the law, you're a debtor to keep the whole law."

There is also curse on those who start and do not continue in the law.

Scriptures like Isaiah 58 shine more light into our walks. We're not supposed to say our own words (of the flesh), doing our own pleasure (outside what is given to us by the Spirit of God). We could judge ourselves more strictly on that and receive a greater blessing from God. It also points to good works (now done in the Spirit) where we're busy doing the things that please God.

There is a part two, and both of these are VERY good. There is nothing like a fresh revelation of grace in our lives to show us what God wrought for us in Christ, and to reveal what burden He set us free from.

Enjoying Gods Grace 1 - Derek Prince (audio only) - YouTube

 

[Tallen]

I keep the Sabbath and have for quite awhile. Why?

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:8-11, KJV)

It is the day set aside for worship, the day that was blessed and hallowed. The day that our example kept, that the Apostles kept, and the day that we are supposed to keep.

Let's ask God about the Sabbath. - Blogs - LAD Forums

 

[New_Wineskin]

If one says to others to keep the Sabbath because of the command , then that one must keep all of the commands related to that command or they simply become hypocrites and liars . Unless one is putting to death those who break the Sabbath , they themselves break the Sabbath .

 

[Tallen]

If one says to others to keep the Sabbath because of the command , then that one must keep all of the commands related to that command or they simply become hypocrites and liars . Unless one is putting to death those who break the Sabbath , they themselves break the Sabbath .

That's nonsense and strictly an antinomian misrepresentation of the Commandments. We are never to break the moral commandments of YHWH, the Messiah kept them, the Apostles kept them and we are commanded as well to keep them. BTW, the scripture never gives that kind of power to individuals or mob rule. Your misunderstanding of this is quite obvoius.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:2-3, KJV)

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8:5-7, KJV)

It is the carnal mind, that is at war with YHWH. Why? Because it is not subject to the law of God, and indeed can't be.

 

[New_Wineskin]

Your hatred of the Lord's commandments is obvious and shows a desire to rationalize your pick and choose approach to the ways of the Lord .

 

[Tallen]

Why, then was it NOT included in the "Necessary things" for the Gentile Church to observe???

Why would you assume that the Sabbath keeping early church and Apostles needed to put it in the "necessary things"? They didn't put murder, incest and bestiality in them..., is that OK now?

Bob, this is a moral issue not a Levitical cermonial one.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It's just a conceptual issue, in fact. Properly observing the "Sabbath" is of the utmost importance, and generally missed in the "Visible churches" because of their "Performance Based" attitude toward salvation - even in Denominations where "Faith alone" is the mantra..

 

[Tallen]

n/c

 

[Steve Petersen]

One of my favorite messages about grace by Derek Prince, Derek talks about how many churches incorporate the law into their church requirements. Whether it is by what you must wear or not not wear, what day you fellowship on, not using musical instruments, not eating meat, etc.

He goes on to point out that if you drove your car to church, according to the requirements of the law concerning the sabbath, you should be stoned. Not only that if someone saw your do it and they don't stone you, that person should be stoned. There's no mercy involved for breaking the sabbath.

As believers we enter into the rest of God, completing all of the requirements of the law by walking in the Spirit. We fulfill the spirit of that law. If you do a study in the Word on the word "sabbath", looking at the law from a New Covenant perspective, it will become more obvious to you that the sabbath requirements are fulfilled in Him.

Moses told the Israelites not to add or take away from the law. The Law is one single and complete system. "It came through Moses and terminated through Jesus Christ."

He says that "most Christians want to play around with the law, and they want to keep those parts which suit them, and fit into their particular religious views and culture, and ignore the rest, and that is not permitted."

"If you're going to keep the law, you're a debtor to keep the whole law."

There is also curse on those who start and do not continue in the law.

Scriptures like Isaiah 58 shine more light into our walks. We're not supposed to say our own words (of the flesh), doing our own pleasure (outside what is given to us by the Spirit of God). We could judge ourselves more strictly on that and receive a greater blessing from God. It also points to good works (now done in the Spirit) where we're busy doing the things that please God.

There is a part two, and both of these are VERY good. There is nothing like a fresh revelation of grace in our lives to show us what God wrought for us in Christ, and to reveal what burden He set us free from.

Enjoying Gods Grace 1 - Derek Prince (audio only) - YouTube

Too many misconceptions to address here. PM me if you are interested in another perspective on this post.

 

[Tallen]

Too many misconceptions to address here.

That is the truth.

 

[Frogster]

I keep the Sabbath and have for quite awhile. Why?

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:8-11, KJV)

It is the day set aside for worship, the day that was blessed and hallowed. The day that our example kept, that the Apostles kept, and the day that we are supposed to keep.

Let's ask God about the Sabbath. - Blogs - LAD Forums

do we get stoned if we work on it like the guy in numbers 15?

even the jewish christians in antioch were not living it, they were living as gentiles, and in gal 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, when they got under the jewish calendar, that had sabby.

 

[Frogster]

Why, then was it NOT included in the "Necessary things" for the Gentile Church to observe???

acts 15.

 

[Frogster]

Understanding Sabbath on a spiritual level does not negate the practical one. God gave the Sabbath to Israel as a commandment that was to be observed 'throughout your generations.' Last time I looked, Jews are still 'generating.'

all these texts show that it was not given to the gentiles, the sabby, feasts, food stuff etc..







Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob,his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; (gentiles mine) they do not know his rules. Praise the LORD!



2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.

John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.


1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law (gentiles mine) I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law (gentiles mine)will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


Romans 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.

 

[Tallen]

do we get stoned if we work on it like the guy in numbers 15?

You and I have no authority to carry out such things, it is the courts and government that should do such things.

even the jewish christians in antioch were not living it, they were living as gentiles, and in gal 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, when they got under the jewish calendar, that had sabby.

HUH!?!

It says no such thing. This is a response to what he has posed.

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. (Galatians 4:8, KJV)

They were pagans who were servicing gods who are not gods. They were observing the days, months, times and years of the pagan religions. Much like Christianity today who is observing the calendar of the RCC.

What Pagan god was observing the Sabbath and the days of YHWH's calendar? None.

Then the Apostle asks:

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? (Galatians 4:9, KJV)

After he has shown them the way, why are they turning back to the weaker things that he delivered them from. Why are they going back to the Pagan ways that had them in bondage?

And he adds:

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (Galatians 4:10-11, KJV)

It is the old way, the way that he has shown them was vainity, that they are turning back toward.

BTW, the Apostle wouldn't tell the Galatians that the Sabbath was bad, then keep it himself and tell the Colossians that they shouldn't let others judge them about.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17, KJV)

In fact, the Apostle tells the Colossians that the Sabbath days are a shadow of things to come. It is something that others have no understanding about and that they shouldn't let them judge them about such things. The Sabbath is something that we should do, and false teachers try to stop. That is the context of Colossians 2.

Colossians 2:16-17 - Blogs - LAD Forums

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:8, KJV)

 

[probinson]

Colossians 2:16-17 (NLT)
So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
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[Tallen]

Colossians 2:16-17 (NLT)
So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
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Wow!!! Thanks for pointing out how that translation mangles the Greek and the translators put their theology right into the translation. Interesting you would point to something like that.

Can you show me the highlighted part in the Greek. Thanks.

As I see it, it should read, "For these are a shadow of things to come and the body of Christ." Note there is no comma in the Greek and the fulfillment is the body of Christ. In other words, the shadow of what is to come, and the shadow that is in the Sabbath, is showing us the complete body of Messiah. A future event. Isn't that cool?

Also PR, have you notice that this is in a future tense? The Apostle hasn't claimed that they are things that have come to pass, past tense and thereby eliminating them. But are shadows of things to come, future. Even the mangled translation you refer to says that. These things are showing us the future role of the body of Messiah when it is complete and functioning in His future Kingdom.

Blessings.

 

[probinson]

I knew you'd pounce on the translation.