The Sabbath is the 'Lords Day', not Sunday.

[Reasonably Sane]

I would want a text for that. There is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment ended or can be edited.

God's faithful kept the Sabbath after the cross according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and every Sabbath was kept by the apostles decades after the cross Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 the apostles told us what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19, the Sabbath is a commandment of God spoken and written by God and no one has authority to edit or change His commandments.

I never said it ended. It's just that I'm not Jewish. I follow Jesus' two commandments and reference his comments to others when he violated the Sabbath.

Jesus completed the old covenant. We are under a new covenant. And this one is not just for Jews.

 

[Gary K]

Apparently there is a stage of development of the early Church that has not been well preserved. While I believe testimony was recorded, much of it must have been lost. Personally I believe if a person chooses to keep the Sabbath, it can be done in Christian faith.

What little we do know though is that the early Christians eventually believed the Lord’s Day is His resurrection in which He was worshipped ( Matthew 28:9) the Day in Revelation 1:10. St. Paul’s instruction to preach to the Gentiles in Acts 22:17-21 seems to be a major break from Judaism.

The earliest surviving documents indicate the Lord’s Day as the Sunday worship. For ex. the letter of St. Ignatius to the church of Magnesia ( about 100 AD as most scholars agree).



CHAPTER 9
9:1 If then those who had walked in ancient
practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer
observing sabbaths but fashioning their lives after
the Lord's day, on which our life also arose through
Him and through His death which some men deny -- a
mystery whereby we attained unto belief, and for this
cause we endure patiently, that we may be found
disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher --
9:2 if this be so, how shall we be able to live
apart from Him? seeing that even the prophets, being
His disciples, were expecting Him as their teacher
through the Spirit. And for this cause He whom they
rightly awaited, when He came, raised them from the
dead.

St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Magnesians (Lightfoot translation)

Ignatius of Antioch to the Magnesians (Lightfoot translation). On Early Christian Writings.

www.earlychristianwritings.com

Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If you look at the total context Acts 22: 17-21 the meaning becomes clear. Paul was himself a Pharisee.

Philippians 3: 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Paul had also taken part in the persecution of Christians.

Acts 26: 10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,

These are the same people who murdered Jesus so it should be no surprise that they would want to kill Paul whom the would consider a turncoat to their cause.

Read the rest of chapter 22 and on into chapters 23 and 24 to get the full scenario.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Certainly that is how the NT identifies it. (As well as the OT)

Is there even one NT text that says "we meet every week day 1 for worship" or "We meet every week day 1 instead of Sabbath"??

We all have free will and opinions.

The NT says there is such a thing as "the Commandments of God" 1 John 5:3-4 saying "This is the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
and 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
and Eph 6:2 "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" in the Commandments of God

No wonder the first promise in the NEW Covenant is "I will write My Law on their heart" Jer 31:31-34 as noted in Hebrews 8

This is as good a place to start as any: When did the early church begin worshiping on Sunday?

BTW, regarding the text in red above, Jesus is God. I take his words even more seriously than those of the apostles. Thy may have been inspired by God, but they were still men.

 

[HIM]

If you want to disagree with the most used translations...

That did not need said. But since you did, Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

Anyway, it changes nothing about the point of the text - we are no longer under the law.

If we sin we are. For the law is for the sinner.

 

[trophy33]

If we sin we are. For the law is for the sinner.

This is just a misuse of an out-of-the-context reference. The Mosaic Law has ended, its not coming back and forth when you sin.

And it has never been given to us, in the first place.

 

[HIM]

This is just a misuse of an out-of-the-context reference. The Mosaic Law has ended, its not coming back and forth when you sin.

Nonsense

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And here we go again.

We do not need the Mosaic law to know stealing etc is wrong. There is no Sabbath outside the Mosaic Law, though. It was a specific Jewish thing.

Then I am assuming in your mind, only Jews will be in heaven as the Sabbath does not end...Isa 66:22-23

God identifies the Sabbath as the Sabbath of the Lord, My holy day, not the Sabbath of the Jews.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Unfortunately, you did not answer my question.

I did, you asked who else before Moses kept the Sabbath and I showed through scripture God did at Creation as did Adam and Eve as it was made for them and for us, to bless and sanctify us. Eze 20:12 Isa 58:13

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never said it ended. It's just that I'm not Jewish. I follow Jesus' two commandments and reference his comments to others when he violated the Sabbath.

Jesus completed the old covenant. We are under a new covenant. And this one is not just for Jews.

So you think Jesus broke the Sabbath and are siding with the Pharisees who killed Him without a cause?

We are in the New Covenant now, which is based on better promises Heb 8:6 not better laws. His law is perfect Psa 19:7 because God could personally not write or speak an imperfect law because God is perfect and His holy commandments reflect His character which we are to take on His image. Which is why it is still a sin to break the Ten Commandments even in the NC Romans 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 and why Christ has a faithful remnant who still obey God the way He asks. Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 It's always better to follow the teachings of Jesus Mat 5:19-30, Mat 7:7-8 Mat 15:3-9 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 John 15:10 Mat 7:21-23 over following the crowd. The greatest commandments are the Ten Commandments summarized, the summary does not delete the details. Rom 13:9 1 John 5:2-3

 

[reddogs]

And here we go again.

We do not need the Mosaic law to know stealing etc is wrong. There is no Sabbath outside the Mosaic Law, though. It was a specific Jewish thing.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

And we have when it was made...

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

So you think Jesus broke the Sabbath and are siding with the Pharisees who killed Him without a cause?

To quote Jordan Peterson, "that'd not what I said". Regarding the rest of your post, I'm sorry, but no need to re-argue the point here. Those verses have been argued from both sides ad-infinitum, and the arguments are all over the internet and easily searched. You come down on one side and I come down on the other.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I did, you asked who else before Moses kept the Sabbath and I showed through scripture God did at Creation as did Adam and Eve as it was made for them and for us, to bless and sanctify us. Eze 20:12 Isa 58:13

No mention of Adam and eve keeping it, nor patriarchs.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No mention of Adam and eve keeping it, nor patriarchs.

Adam and Eve were made in the image of God. God hallowed the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 , Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27 Are you suggesting on the very first Sabbath in the garden when God hallowed His Sabbath day Adam and Eve said no thanks, we are going to do our own thing, despite God making the Sabbath for them? We have free will to believe what we want, but that has to be some serious contempt of God’s Sabbath to come up with that conclusion.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

To quote Jordan Peterson, "that'd not what I said". Regarding the rest of your post, I'm sorry, but no need to re-argue the point here. Those verses have been argued from both sides ad-infinitum, and the arguments are all over the internet and easily searched. You come down on one side and I come down on the other.

And we will find out soon enough but Jesus said, Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

If you study the scripture on the Sabbath most of it has a thus saith the Lord. Can’t get a higher authority than He!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Adam and Eve were made in the image of God. God hallowed the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 , Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27 Are you suggesting on the very first Sabbath in the garden when God hallowed His Sabbath day Adam and Eve said no thanks, we are going to do our own thing, despite God making the Sabbath for them? We have free will to believe what we want, but that has to be some serious contempt of God’s Sabbath to come up with that conclusion.

There is no reference to Adam , Eve nor any patriarch keeping the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

There is no reference to Adam , Eve nor any patriarch keeping the Sabbath.

Jesus referenced it, the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 Man was made on the sixth day Gen 1:26, before the first Sabbath on the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11

Not hard to follow.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

And we will find out soon enough but Jesus said, Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

If you study the scripture on the Sabbath most of it has a thus saith the Lord. Can’t get a higher authority than He!

So the question is, what words proceed from the mouth of God, and what words don't? Regarding the Sabbath, Yes, in the OT there is a lot of "Thus says the Lord." But often He was talking to Israel. Even Jesus, regarding Tithing, said, "This you aught to have done, and not avoided the weightier things". Interestingly, he uses the past tense.

Much of what Jesus said to people was about how they were incorrectly living their lives "now", but the rules actually changed after he paid the ultimate price. He was preparing us for it throughout his ministry, even in simple teachings that taught that though people thought they were "good" because they did not commit adultery, but he told them that if they even looked at a woman with lust they had done the equivalent. He made the rules even harder, but then changed everything. Praise be to God for his incredible solution for man's sin!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So the question is, what words proceed from the mouth of God, and what words don't? Regarding the Sabbath, Yes, in the OT there is a lot of "Thus says the Lord." But often He was talking to Israel. Even Jesus, regarding Tithing, said, "This you aught to have done, and not avoided the weightier things". Interestingly, he uses the past tense.

Much of what Jesus said to people was about how they were incorrectly living their lives "now", but the rules actually changed after he paid the ultimate price. He was preparing us for it throughout his ministry, even in simple teachings that taught that though people thought they were "good" because they did not commit adultery, but he told them that if they even looked at a woman with lust they had done the equivalent. He made the rules even harder, but then changed everything. Praise be to God for his incredible solution for man's sin!

The main thing that changed was how we go about the forgiveness of sin. Instead of sacrificing animals, we can go directly to Jesus. Animal sacrifices was always a place holder pointing to Jesus Hebrews 10:1-22

What did not change is the law that defines sin- the Ten Commandments Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what we will be judged by. James 2:10-12, Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14

The Sabbath is still a commandment even in the NT Luke 23:56 which is why it is all throughout the NT kept faithfully by Jesus Luke 4:16, the apostles Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 and His followers. Luke 23:56

Yes, there are a lot of thus saith the Lords in the OT as there are many prophecies that still have not been fulfilled. Also, only God can reverse something He blessed Numb 23:20 like He did the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 and there is no thus saith the Lord that the Sabbath commandment was reversed.

Here’s a good example of that…

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

6:“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

 

[Reasonably Sane]

What did not change is the law that defines sin- the Ten Commandments Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what we will be judged by. James 2:10-12, Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14

The Sabbath is still a commandment even in the NT Luke 23:56 which is why it is all throughout the NT kept faithfully by Jesus Luke 4:16, the apostles Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 and His followers. Luke 23:56

Yes, there are a lot of thus saith the Lords in the OT as there are many prophecies that still have not been fulfilled. Also, only God can reverse something He blessed Numb 23:20 like He did the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 and there is no thus saith the Lord that the Sabbath commandment was reversed.

Here’s a good example of that…

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

6:“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Actually, he did change the law that defines sin. Matthew 5:28

Or, put more precisely, he clarified it. Same with the Sabbath. Below is an excerpt from one of my favorite teaching sites about the sabbath today:

Should Christians Keep the Sabbath?

Explore the biblical idea of sabbath and rest, and see how Jesus talked about the heart behind God's Sabbath laws, reflecting a God who wants to dwell with his people.

bibleproject.com

How Did Jesus Keep the Sabbath Holy?​

We see the clearest picture of God’s presence on Earth in the life of Jesus. Jesus was God come to live among his people. And Jesus had a lot to say about the Sabbath and the true rest that God intends for humanity.

In his Gospel, Matthew includes a series of connected stories where Jesus is confronted by Israel’s religious leaders and teachers. On one Sabbath day, the leaders object to Jesus’ friends picking corn as they’re walking through a field (Matt. 12:1-2). They also object to Jesus healing a man’s shriveled hand (Matt. 12:9-14
Matthew 12:9-14), saying that Jesus is ignoring the command to keep the Sabbath found in the Hebrew Scriptures (Exod. 20:5; Deut. 5:15

Jesus responds with an argument that clarifies the true definition of the Sabbath, asserting his role as the promised Messiah and pointing to his divinity (Matt. 12:3-8). Jesus understood the heart of the Sabbath—what God’s original command was pointing to. To understand Jesus’ point, we have to look at the context in which Matthew placed these stories.

Sabbath in the New Testament​

Matthew records these Sabbath controversies immediately after quoting Jesus’ words about rest.

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

(Matthew 11:28-29)
All this talk of rest right before a passage that deals with Sabbath? This is no mistake. The people have become weary and burdened by the heavy weight of observing the Sabbath, following the letter of the law while missing God’s intent behind the command.

Jesus wants to clarify the meaning of Sabbath for them. The people are in need of rest—to stop hard work (shabbat) and be present with God (nuakh). And Jesus is here to usher in the full promise. He is God’s rest, and the people can come to him and find the true seventh-day rest that God intended.

Jesus reminds the people of God’s original intention for the Sabbath: unity with God, creation, and each other. Jesus teaches that the Sabbath points to him, the one Israel’s prophets promised would come to mercifully restore the rhythm of all creation.

When followers of Jesus observe the Sabbath, we live as if this restoration has already taken place. We take a break from the broken rhythms of hustle and hardship to set aside a time to honor Jesus’ rule, enjoy his presence, and extend rest to the world around us. When we trust God’s invitation to come to him and truly rest, we become places where his presence can dwell.

Observing the Sabbath for Modern Christians​

So what does this practice look like for modern Jesus followers? Does it mean attending a weekly church service, turning off work emails, or volunteering in your community? Does it matter what day you observe the Sabbath? Sabbath could certainly include those activities, but the whole of the biblical story seems to emphasize the purpose of the Sabbath rather than specific rules for observing it.

As followers of Jesus, God does not expect us to live by Israel’s laws. However, the wisdom of these laws remains, and the law of the Sabbath is rich with significance for us today. Sabbath is not a commandment we are bound to; it’s a promise we’re invited to enjoy.

Sabbath rest is an invitation to practice for eternity in God’s presence. It is an act of regular and intentional trust of God’s rule on Earth. We shabbat in order to nuakh—when we stop working, we can truly rest in God’s presence. When we practice this purposeful pause, we make room for God to take up residence in our individual lives and communities. And when we do this, we take part in the new creation story, setting the stage for God to make his dwelling place once again on Earth.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Actually, he did change the law that defines sin. Matthew 5:28

Or, put more precisely, he clarified it. Same with the Sabbath. Below is an excerpt from one of my favorite teaching sites about the sabbath today:

Should Christians Keep the Sabbath?

Explore the biblical idea of sabbath and rest, and see how Jesus talked about the heart behind God's Sabbath laws, reflecting a God who wants to dwell with his people.

bibleproject.com

How Did Jesus Keep the Sabbath Holy?​

We see the clearest picture of God’s presence on Earth in the life of Jesus. Jesus was God come to live among his people. And Jesus had a lot to say about the Sabbath and the true rest that God intends for humanity.

In his Gospel, Matthew includes a series of connected stories where Jesus is confronted by Israel’s religious leaders and teachers. On one Sabbath day, the leaders object to Jesus’ friends picking corn as they’re walking through a field (Matt. 12:1-2). They also object to Jesus healing a man’s shriveled hand (Matt. 12:9-14
Matthew 12:9-14), saying that Jesus is ignoring the command to keep the Sabbath found in the Hebrew Scriptures (Exod. 20:5; Deut. 5:15

Jesus responds with an argument that clarifies the true definition of the Sabbath, asserting his role as the promised Messiah and pointing to his divinity (Matt. 12:3-8). Jesus understood the heart of the Sabbath—what God’s original command was pointing to. To understand Jesus’ point, we have to look at the context in which Matthew placed these stories.

Sabbath in the New Testament​

Matthew records these Sabbath controversies immediately after quoting Jesus’ words about rest.

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

(Matthew 11:28-29)
All this talk of rest right before a passage that deals with Sabbath? This is no mistake. The people have become weary and burdened by the heavy weight of observing the Sabbath, following the letter of the law while missing God’s intent behind the command.

Jesus wants to clarify the meaning of Sabbath for them. The people are in need of rest—to stop hard work (shabbat) and be present with God (nuakh). And Jesus is here to usher in the full promise. He is God’s rest, and the people can come to him and find the true seventh-day rest that God intended.

Jesus reminds the people of God’s original intention for the Sabbath: unity with God, creation, and each other. Jesus teaches that the Sabbath points to him, the one Israel’s prophets promised would come to mercifully restore the rhythm of all creation.

When followers of Jesus observe the Sabbath, we live as if this restoration has already taken place. We take a break from the broken rhythms of hustle and hardship to set aside a time to honor Jesus’ rule, enjoy his presence, and extend rest to the world around us. When we trust God’s invitation to come to him and truly rest, we become places where his presence can dwell.

Observing the Sabbath for Modern Christians​

So what does this practice look like for modern Jesus followers? Does it mean attending a weekly church service, turning off work emails, or volunteering in your community? Does it matter what day you observe the Sabbath? Sabbath could certainly include those activities, but the whole of the biblical story seems to emphasize the purpose of the Sabbath rather than specific rules for observing it.

As followers of Jesus, God does not expect us to live by Israel’s laws. However, the wisdom of these laws remains, and the law of the Sabbath is rich with significance for us today. Sabbath is not a commandment we are bound to; it’s a promise we’re invited to enjoy.

Sabbath rest is an invitation to practice for eternity in God’s presence. It is an act of regular and intentional trust of God’s rule on Earth. We shabbat in order to nuakh—when we stop working, we can truly rest in God’s presence. When we practice this purposeful pause, we make room for God to take up residence in our individual lives and communities. And when we do this, we take part in the new creation story, setting the stage for God to make his dwelling place once again on Earth.

Jesus made the commandments greater not lesser teaching by not only breaking them literally but applying to our thoughts and feelings where sin starts teaching not to break the least of these (Ten Commandments) or teach others to break the least of these commandments and in doing so one is in fear of sin and judgement. The one commandment God said remember and is holy and blessed does not sound like a least commandment but even if so Jesus said to keep. Trust Jesus He will only lead us on the narrow path back to Him. Rev 22:14

PS there’s lots of commentary teaching us we can freely break God’s commandments which is why I place my trust in His Word because He warns us going outside of it there is no light Isa 8:20