The Sabbath is the 'Lords Day', not Sunday.

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath rest was made holy because it prefigured our Sabbath rest in Christ.

Not according to the Sabbath commandment where we find it to be a "memorial" not a prediction. It was given in Eden as a memorial of creation week according to the actual commandment Gen 2:1-3, Ex 20:8-11.

No text says "made holy because it prefigured rest in Jesus".

No text says "delete this commandment when you accept Christ as Savior"

 

[HTacianas]

Yes, God deemed all days working days except for the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 and He is the authority, not man.

It was predicted the Sabbath would be changed Daniel 7:25 the only law that is both a time (every seventh day ) and law (Sabbath commandment) but it was not by changed God and we see this clearly happening through history, not by God or in scripture, again why no one ever quotes scripture to support it.

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?
A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

Q. Give some examples of both?
A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the SABBATH-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

The choice is ours do we follow man or follow God? Jesus tells us the choice we should make Mark 7:7-8 Mat 15:3-9 we should trust Jesus!

It's interesting you claim the Catholic Church made the change. That fails to explain how the Indian Orthodox Church -which was never part of the Catholic Church and was never influenced by it- gathers to worship on Sunday. Just like the Apostles.

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's interesting you claim the Catholic Church made the change. That fails to explain how the Indian Orthodox Church -which was never part of the Catholic Church and was never influenced by it-

Well they think otherwise. It was changed SO long ago in 300 AD we were warned after the apostles death what would happen to the church Acts 20:29 but God has always had a faithful remnant who keep His commandments Rev 12:17, His version, not mans.

gathers to worship on Sunday. Just like the Apostles.

Again, another statement that is not backed by scripture, not convincing.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Yes, they broke bread daily Acts 2:46 and it says nothing about Sunday being a new day of worship, a new holy day, nothing about weekly church on day 1. One would have to add that to God's Word- something we are told not to do Prov 30:5-6

 

[Clare73]

Not according to the Sabbath commandment where we find it to be a "memorial" not a prediction. It was given in Eden as a memorial of creation week according to the actual commandment Gen 2:1-3, Ex 20:8-11.

No text says "made holy because it prefigured rest in Jesus".

Nor does any text say "the animal sacrifices prefigured the atonement of Jesus."

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

No text says "delete this commandment when you accept Christ as Savior"

However, both Jesus and Paul state that that the Decalogue is summed up in one rule: love of God and neighbor as self (Mt 22:37-40, Ro 13:10), that he who loves has fulfilled the law (Ro 13:8), and that includes the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nor does any text say "the animal sacrifices prefigured the atonement of Jesus."

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

However, both Jesus and Paul state that that the Decalogue is summed up in one rule: love of God and neighbor as self (Mt 22:37-40, Ro 13:-10), that he who loves has fulfilled the law (Ro 13:8), and that includes the Sabbath.

And love doesn't go undefined and the summary does not delete those details. So if we are profaning God's holy Sabbath day, that is not love to God. Just like not love to God to worship other gods, or vain His holy name etc. etc. 1 John 5:3

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

 

[Clare73]

And love doesn't go undefined and the summary does not delete those details. So if we are profaning God's holy Sabbath day, that is not love to God. Just like not love to God to worship other gods, or vain His holy name etc. etc. 1 John 5:3

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

We're in the NT now, and under Christ's law now (Mt 22:37-40, Ro 13:8).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We're in the NT now, and under Christ's law now (Mt 22:37-40, Ro 13:8).

The Sabbath in the NT is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

God's commandments didn't get deleted in the NT. They continue until the end of time kept faithfully by God's people Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

 

[Semper-Fi]

There is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment ended or can be edited.

Yes, only God can end or edit His commandments.

Isaiah 42:21 (KJV)
The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake;
he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or
the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus came and [fulfilled the prophecy] mentioned in Isaiah 42.

Jesus came and He magnified the law.
Examples of The New Laws Jesus magnified.

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger
of the judgment:

22but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time....
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Jesus also made the Sabbath honorable

Matthew 12:1-13

12How much then is a man better than a sheep?
Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

And yes, Buy no means did Christ ever change
the 7th day of the week, for the 1th day of the week.

"I will write My Law on their heart"
x


18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Clare73]

The Sabbath in the NT is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

God's commandments didn't get deleted in the NT. They continue until the end of time kept faithfully by God's people Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Non-responsive to my post. . .

 

[reddogs]

It's interesting you claim the Catholic Church made the change. That fails to explain how the Indian Orthodox Church -which was never part of the Catholic Church and was never influenced by it- gathers to worship on Sunday. Just like the Apostles.

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The St Thomas Christians or the church in India worshipped on the Sabbath till the Roman Catholic Church arrived and discovered them and set about to stop them. They told them that the next Sabbath they would not worship but transfer all to the first day or Sunday or face punishment, and went about enforcing this on all the St Thomas Christians, so there were several 'schism's' from this point as they began to fall apart.

 

[reddogs]

Here is some of what I came across on the St Thomas Christians..

"Thomas is reported to have arrived in Kerala in A.D. 52. He preached among the settled Jews and Hindus and established churches. The St. Thomas Christians practiced a simple faith as taught by the apostle. They had two sacraments, baptism and Lord's Supper, and they worshiped only on Saturday at least until the fourth century. They followed the Syriac liturgy. Until the sixteenth century they had ties with East Syrian (Persian) churches. They continued their Sabbath observance throughout this period. In the sixteenth century the St. Thomas Christians came into contact with the Roman Catholics. The subsequent establishment of the Inquisition and the Latinization program led to the Synod of Diamper (1599) and later to the Humbled Cross Oath in 1653. After the St. Thomas Christians came under Roman Catholicism, the church began to fracture. "

"When 16th century European priests arrived in southern India to introduce Christianity, they were told that a more famed Christian missionary had been there first. In the districts of Travancore and Cochin, there was already a community of Indian Christians with a tradition of loose communion with the Roman Catholic Church. The man who first converted them, the Indians said, was none other than St. Thomas the Apostle (the "Doubting Thomas"), who reputedly arrived in India aboard a Roman trading vessel in 52 A.D...

...According to tradition, St. Thomas made his first conversions by a miracle. At the village of Palur, he found some Brahman priests throwing handfuls of water into the air as they performed their purification prayers. Thomas threw some water into the air himself, and it hung suspended in the form of sparkling flowers. Tradition continues that most of the Brahmans embraced Christianity on the spot, and that the rest fled. To this day, no orthodox Brahman will take a bath in Palur.

Although St. Thomas was later killed (one legend says he was pierced by spears), the religion founded by him or later missionaries took firm hold. By the sixth century there were Indian churches in contact with the Christian bishops of Syria. In 883, King Alfred the Great sent an English bishop to make an offering for him at St. Thomas' shrine in Mylapore. But contact with the West was precarious, and by the end of the Middle Ages the Indian church was practically forgotten.

In their isolation, the Indians developed surprisingly few originalities of dogma. But they did intersperse their religious rites with local Hindu practices. Like Hindus, Indian Christian women have always worn large gold earrings in the upper part of their ears. The Christians preserve Hindu-style observances for birth, marriage and death.... The Portuguese, during their rule in India, tried to stamp out native Christian practices and enforce strict conformity to Latin rituals. In reaction, many Indian Christians broke away from Rome.."

 

[HTacianas]

The St Thomas Christians or the church in India worshipped on the Sabbath till the Roman Catholic Church arrived and discovered them and set about to stop them. They told them that the next Sabbath they would not worship but transfer all to the first day or Sunday or face punishment, and went about enforcing this on all the St Thomas Christians, so there were several 'schism's' from this point as they began to fall apart.

So when did that happen?

 

[reddogs]

So when did that happen?

I would think around the time 'The Portuguese, during their rule in India, tried to stamp out native Christian practices and enforce strict conformity to Latin rituals. ' Now you see why books were burned by the Roman Catholic Church, as they say the victor writes the narrative...

 

[HTacianas]

I would think around the time 'The Portuguese, during their rule in India, tried to stamp out native Christian practices and enforce strict conformity to Latin rituals. ' Now you see why books were burned by the Roman Catholic Church, as they say the victor writes the narrative...

You may want to read this.

https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/Release-15.pdf

 

[reddogs]

You may want to read this.

https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/Release-15.pdf

As I said, there is a reason they burned the books, then it becomes 'unsubstantiated'....

 

[trophy33]

1. The Mosaic Law has ended in the 1st century:

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
Mt 11:13

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and regulations (δόγμασιν)."
Eph 2:15

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11

2. Keeping a specific day is not a part of the New Covenant (neither Sunday, nor Sabbath):

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Col 2:16-17

The Seventh Day Adventist ideology is rooted in their prophetess Ellen White, its not biblical.

 

[daq]

1. The Mosaic Law has ended in the 1st century:

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
Mt 11:13

That just means the Torah was not fully expounded until the Testimony of the Meshiah which immediately follows the ministry of the Immerser. It's proven in the same exact passage from which you quote, wherein the Meshiah states the following:

Matthew 11:10 N/A-W/H
10 ουτος εστιν περι ου γεγραπται ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ος κατασκευασει την οδον σου εμπροσθεν σου10 ουτος εστιν περι ου γεγραπται ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ος κατασκευασει την οδον σου εμπροσθεν σου

Which is an exact, verbatim, word for word quote from the LXX-Septuagint as follows:

Exodus 23:20 OG LXX
20 και ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ινα φυλαξη σε εν τη οδω οπως εισαγαγη σε εις την γην ην ητοιμασα σοι20 και ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου ινα φυλαξη σε εν τη οδω οπως εισαγαγη σε εις την γην ην ητοιμασα σοι

Again, that's word for word:

Matthew 11:10 ~ ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου
Exodus 23:20a ~ ιδου εγω αποστελλω τον αγγελον μου προ προσωπου σου

Simply read those passages in your preferred English translation, (you can read the LXX in the Brenton English translation but the KJV from the Hebrew text says essentially the same), and read them in their contexts with comprehension, and believe what the Master says and teaches about it: and do not listen to confounded commentators who will tell you that this is a confounded quote from Malachi 3:1 because it is not: it is word for word straight from the passage quoted above, Exodus 23:20a.

It would be ridiculous to say that the Torah was not fully expounded until the advent of the Meshiah but then it was abolished as soon as it was fully expounded by the Meshiah.

 

[trophy33]

It would be ridiculous to say that the Torah was not fully expounded until the advent of the Meshiah but then it was abolished as soon as it was fully expounded by the Meshiah.

Not ridiculous at all, because the purpose of Torah was to prepare Israel for/until Christ.

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

The opposite would be ridiculous - to think we are still under the guardian after we have become adults.

 

[daq]

Not ridiculous at all, because the purpose of Torah was to prepare Israel for/until Christ.

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

The opposite would be ridiculous - to think we are still under the guardian after we have become adults.

Most of scholarship now knows that the KJV has a problem with verb tenses and especially with ginomai.

Galatians 3:24 T/R
24 ωστε ο νομος παιδαγωγος ημων γεγονεν εις χριστον ινα εκ πιστεως δικαιωθωμεν

Galatians 3:24 KJV (T/R)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:24 N/A-W/H
24 ωστε ο νομος παιδαγωγος ημων γεγονεν εις χριστον ινα εκ πιστεως δικαιωθωμεν

Galatians 3:24 ASV (N/A)
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Both Greek texts contain the same form of ginomai, (gegonen). And yet the ASV reads the verb tense correctly, is become or has become, which is an entirely different meaning than was, as rendered by the KJV. And the same problem arises yet again with ginomai in the following passage.

Romans 15:8 KJV
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Romans 15:8 ASV
8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,

And again, has been made or has become is an entirely different meaning than was.
Meshiah is the new Minister of the Circumcision because the Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14a).

 

[trophy33]

Most of scholarship now knows that the KJV has a problem with verb tenses and especially with ginomai.

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
NIV

Πρὸ τοῦ δὲ ἐλθεῖν τὴν πίστιν ὑπὸ νόμον ἐφρουρούμεθα συγκλειόμενοι εἰς τὴν μέλλουσαν πίστιν ἀποκαλυφθῆναι,
ὥστε ὁ νόμος παιδαγωγὸς ἡμῶν γέγονεν εἰς Χριστόν, ἵνα ἐκ πίστεως δικαιωθῶμεν·
ἐλθούσης δὲ τῆς πίστεως οὐκέτι ὑπὸ παιδαγωγόν ἐσμεν.
NA 28