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So where's your quote?Well that is not true.
I don't think so because of verse 10.HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
αρα απολειπεται σαββατισμος τω λαω του θεου
In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.” which has been translated this way in the Aramaic. Even if you do not prefer this translation many translate the GREEK as There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God which is also correct.
Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
No sir it isn't my arguing with Scripture. It's my upchucking of your words about Scripture.Yet here you are again with only your words arguing with God's WORD.
Thank you for this fine post.Christian Research Institute in its statement on Seventh-day Adventism, says;
Those who follow Adventism closely know that the last two decades have been characterized by a deep internal conflict which has divided the denomination and left many Adventist disillusioned. Today, there are various divisions or factions within SDA. Some wish that Adventism would fully enter into the evangelical mainstream, while maintaining certain Adventist distinctives.
Others, the more traditional or fundamentalist Adventists, often reject portions of Questions on Doctrine and seek to hold on to several heresies which arose early in the Adventist movement, such as the investigative judgment, the sinful nature of Christ, and viewing Ellen G. White as the infallible interpreter of Scripture. It is the division of Adventism, who often refer to themselves as “the remnant church,” or God’s exclusive agent, that CRI would regard as being cultic. Some within this camp would anathematize all of Protestantism, arguing that as Sunday-keepers they will receive the mark of the beast just prior to Christ’s second coming. Admittedly, this is the extreme part of SDA, but nevertheless well represented. (apologeticsindex.org/3100-seventh-day-adventism)
You're clearly teaching the old covenant is amended and continued. You're not teaching nor promoting a/the "new" covenant.Is this your bible brother and what does this have to do with any of the posts and scriptures shared here?
LESSONS FROM THE PAST - GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN
The very same topics that we discuss here was also discussed in the day of Jesus. The mainstream preachers of Christ's time all claimed to be Children of God because their claim was that they were the Children of Abraham right? This was their claim to being God's people.
JOHN 8:33-45
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say thou, Ye shall be made free?
They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them...............?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.
Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.
It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.
Luke 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
So there seems to be a trend here.
The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions." (Matthew 15:3-9)
Yet there is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this and followed them.
So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instructions in God's Word, ( Zacharias and Jesus)
And another example of study in disobedience to the instructions of God's Word. (Mainstream preachers of that time)
There were more than just Zacharias.
Matthew 2:1-2 1, Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?
And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?
Acts 5:32-33 33, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.
Now why was it that the Jews sought to persecute Jesus and the prophets? It was because they refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.
So fast forward to today. We have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."
This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.
It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath (Sunday worship). It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.
It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.
So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.
If a person studies scripture in disobedience following the traditions and teachings of man in place of God's Word and to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.
I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions.
But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.
23 "When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."
Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved."
My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.
John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)
20 For every one that doeth evil (Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?
21 But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.
So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man who follow the traditions of man. The above was shared with me recently by a friend. I hope it was a blessing to you as it was for me.
Now the important question is who should we obey God or man...............?
The Jews (Pharisees/Lawyers) had placed so many restrictions on the Sabbath commandment through there man made traditions that it had become a burden to the people and was nearly impossible to keep (Luke 13:14; John 5:10-18; 9:16; etc.).
This was never how the Sabbath was to be kept. What did Jesus teach us about the Sabbath? Let's look to the Word of God.....
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love that fulfills God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly and willfully break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.
God gives us the other six days to labor and work and do whatever we like. We worship God everyday but the 7th Day God says is a Holy day that God has made for His people. Jesus is the maker of this day. It is the "Lords Day" and God has commanded us to keep it Holy (Mark 2:27-28; Exodus 20:8-11). The Sabbath is a sign that we worship the only true God of creation (Ezekiel 20:12). We follow Jesus because we love him (John 14:15;15:10). Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us as we walk by faith in His Spirit.
to be continued..
What I find amazing is anything we quote from Scripture isn't true according to your statements. It doesn't matter what the approach is. Everything that doesn't suit your fancy is a lie even from Moses. You've been asked why there's no record Jesus doesn't appear with His disciples on the sabbath after the resurrection. You've been quoted passages of Scripture showing Christian assembling on the first day of the week for worship.LESSONS FROM THE PAST GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN PART 2/2
It is amazing how those that do not have God's WORD to supoport their traditions that break the commandments of God accuse those who have God's WORD of things that are not true.
Being under the law is one thing. Being under the curse (punishment) of the law is result of violating that control. So violation doesn't make a difference when it comes to being under the law.Your confused. To be UNDER THE LAW means to be guilty before God of breaking it. ROMANS 2 and ROMANS 3 shows that all both JEWS and GENTILES all stand guilty before God of breaking God's LAW.
Yes and that is religion, not a relationship with God.Many in the last days will have a form of Godliness but will deny the power of God to save them from their sins *2 TIMOTHY 3:5. JESUS came to save us from the power of SIN *ROMANS 6:1-2; 11-15; 13; ROMANS 3:31.
HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
What Bible version is that, or is that your personal translation, because that is not what it says, nor what it means? Do you think people are not going to know what the Word of God actually says, and just believe your trickery and slight of hand? You are twisting Scripture to match what you believe, instead of believing what the Word of God says. Shame on you.
Are you saying this because I didn't respond to every word of your post or that I didn't quote it all?
You didn't say one single word of explanation about Gal 5 as requested. Why? Don;t you love all God's Word?
Being under the law is one thing. Being under the curse (punishment) of the law is result of violating that control. So violation doesn't make a difference when it comes to being under the law.
You're clearly teaching the old covenant is amended and continued. You're not teaching nor promoting a/the "new" covenant.
I don't think so because of verse 10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. This verse is a direct reference to the rest of God found in Gen 2 which means ceased from His work of creation. It has nothing to do with a periodic repeating period of rest.
The word "ended" (kalah) means - complete as in finished or ceased. The word "rested" (shabat) means - to cease, desist, rest. So we have a double statement in that an idea/concept is repeated.
Please explain what words I posted aren't true. I don't want you c&p stuff.
OK I'll take another stab at it.
ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ τοῦ θεοῦ· The word in question is sabbatismos (σαββατισμὸς). The word "sabbaton" (σάββατον) in any of it's forms doesn't appear in the chapter.
For your information my filters are Bible study aides not associated with any religious organization in my religious participation history.
I opened my Bible and read all of it several times. You want me to only consider your passages and throw out the rest of my Bible. My response is no way as in never. Hope you can understand that.
The only thing you've shared with me is condemnation and SDA doctrine supported with partial and out of context quotes even disagreeing with Moses.
No sir it isn't my arguing with Scripture. It's my upchucking of your words about Scripture.
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