THE RULE OF FAITH AND PRACTICE IS ALWAYS SCRIPTURE "ALONE" 2

[timothyu]

Perhaps it is just a case of some seeing some others as having a long distance connection with God on a party line while others claim to have a direct connection.

 

[Leaf473]

Now, in your most recent post to me, you are using a term that I didn't use in my response to Carl: "God's word".

You just agreed with me that scripture is Gods' Word.

I see in the OP:

WHAT DO WE MEAN BY GOD'S WORD IN THIS OP?

Unless otherwise stated we are talking about scripture as the recorded written Word of God given to us by Jesus, the Apostles and the prophets (the Bible).

It's often a good idea to define one's terms in the OP, so kudos so far. And by that definition, Yes, scripture is the word of God.

However, that may not be the same definition that the Bible writers were using.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This recent chain of interactions started with my response to the question Carl asked here:



And I responded with:



Saying that Jesus words are in the Bible
isn't the same as saying that
"the words that I have spoken to you" is the same as "the Bible".

Jesus' words are in this poster:

It doesn't follow that John 6 is referring to that poster.

The problem is as stated earlier I did not ask you if Jesus was the bible. I asked you are the words of Jesus in the bible.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now, in your most recent post to me, you are using a term that I didn't use in my response to Carl: "God's word".


I see in the OP:


It's often a good idea to define one's terms in the OP, so kudos so far. And by that definition, Yes, scripture is the word of God.

However, that may not be the same definition that the Bible writers were using.

Go and read the OP. The terms are provided already. You did not read the OP either did you.

 

[pescador]

I disagree. In this case prove to me that what he is saying is right? What he is teaching is not biblical and is making arguments that no one is arguing about as a distraction that has already been stated in the OP. The topic of this discussion is "the scriptures" not tradition or man made teachings are the only rule of faith.

I don't have to prove anything to you. I agree with what Carl writes almost all the time. ;^)

What he is teaching is Biblical even if you disagree.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't have to prove anything to you. I agree with Carl with what he writes almost all the time. ;^What he is teaching is Biblical even if you disagree.

Well there you have it. You say that what someone teaches is biblical but you do not have any scripture to support that view? You have just proven my point. Which is just like saying, yep the other guy is right? Why? Well I don't know. Yet it is Gods' Word that says without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. If we are saved by Grace through faith how can we have faith when there is no word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God when we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures? If we take away the scriptures we have no faith therefore no salvation. No one is denying here hat there is no spoken Word of God or that Jesus is not the living Word of God who has today given us his written Words and no one is saying we cannot know God by direct revelation. The OP is about what is the final say of what is true and what is not true and that test is scripture which is the written Word of God. Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith and is our guide as to what is truth and what is not.

 

[timothyu]

What he is teaching is Biblical

That would be an oxymoron in regards to the debate over the two definitions of 'word'

 

[pescador]

Well there you have it. You say that what someone teaches is biblical but you do not have any scripture to support that view? You have just proven my point. Which is just like saying, yep the other guy is right? Why? Well I don't know. Yet it is Gods' Word that says without faith it is impossible to please God and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. If we are saved by Grace through faith how can we have faith when there is no word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God when we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures?

Your grammar is so bad that it's impossible to discern your meaning.

BTW, where is the Scripture in your reply?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your grammar is so bad that it's impossible to discern your meaning.BTW, where is the Scripture in your reply?

Go read the OP. Seem you haven't have you. Perhaps you can show me what your having trouble understanding? The scripture was provided all through the post you are responding to. I just did not add the references.

Here you go... references added back in (post # 246 linked)

Well there you have it. You say that what someone teaches is biblical but you do not have any scripture to support that view? You have just proven my point. Which is just like saying, yep the other guy is right? Why? Well I don't know. Yet it is Gods' Word that says without faith it is impossible to please God *Hebrews 11:6 and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:23. If we are saved by Grace through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9 how can we have faith when there is no word when faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17 when we only know Gods' Word through the scriptures? If we take away the scriptures we have no faith therefore no salvation. No one is denying here that there is no spoken Word of God or that Jesus is not the living Word of God who has today given us his written Words and no one is saying we cannot know God by direct revelation (stated in the OP). The OP is about what is the final say of what is true and what is not true and that test is scripture *1 John 4:1 which is the written Word of God *2 Timothy 3:15-16 . Therefore the scriptures are the only rule of faith and are our guide as to what is truth and what is not.

Now what is it here that you do not believe?

Hope this is helpful

 

[pescador]

Go read the OP. Seem you haven't have you. Perhaps you can show me what your having trouble understanding? The scripture was provided all through the post you are responding to. I just did not add the references.

I repeat, your grammar is so bad that it's impossible to discern your meaning. BTW, where is the Scripture in your reply?

 

[Leaf473]

The problem is as stated earlier I did not ask you if Jesus was the bible. I asked you are the words of Jesus in the bible.

That's correct, and I answered Yes.

But it is not a necessary conclusion that "the words that I have spoken to you" refers to the Bible.

 

[pescador]

It's amazing to me that people claim to have a clear understanding of God's word -- the Bible -- and yet their command of modern English is lacking. This applies particularly to people who claim the KJV is the best translation.

 

[Leaf473]

Go and read the OP. The terms are provided already. You did not read the OP either did you.

I did read the OP. And I agree that you did provide definitions for the terms.

However, those definitions may not be the same ones used by the Bible writers.

So when Paul says,
"faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God"
that may not be the same as
"faith comes by hearing and hearing by all scripture".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I repeat, your grammar is so bad that it's impossible to discern your meaning. BTW, where is the Scripture in your reply?

See post #249 lined. You ignored it while continuing to repeat yourself.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's amazing to me that people claim to have a clear understanding of God's word -- the Bible -- and yet their command of modern English is lacking. This applies particularly to people who claim the KJV is the best translation.

Prove it. Don't use it as an excuse to ignore the scriptures that are shared with you that disagree with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did read the OP. And I agree that you did provide definitions for the terms.

However, those definitions may not be the same ones used by the Bible writers.

So when Paul says,
"faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God"
that may not be the same as
"faith comes by hearing and hearing by all scripture".

Then let me ask you again are Gods' Words in the scriptures? YES/NO it is not a hard question and if Gods' Word is written in the scriptures and the scriptures are Gods' Word how can we not get our faith today from the scriptures which are the written Word of God?

 

[pescador]

See post #249 lined. You ignored it.

Lined?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Lined?

So this addresses the post you are responding to in post #249 how? - It doesn't

 

[pescador]

Prove it. Don't use it as an excuse to ignore the scriptures that are shared with you that disagree with you.

If someone can't even communicate clearly in their native language how can s/he claim to understand Scripture?

 

[pescador]

All... I am putting people on "ignore" if they can't communicate reasonably and accurately.