The Return of My Apple Challenge

[tanzanos]

Ah, but I wasn't asking what God wants, I was asking what AV wants.

HOW DARE YOU Separate God from AV1. You are a heretic and a blasphemer! You should be burnt at the stake.

 

[AV1611VET]

ALL HAIL AV1

You just remember this when it's time to tithe ---

 

[tanzanos]

You just remember this when it's time to tithe ---

You just remember who hailed you when you are about to burn heretics.
Hail AV1

Oh by the way have you heard of "The flat earth society"?

 

[quatona]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

None, and I would not expect him to believe it. In fact, I would find him very unreasonable and gullible if he believed it.

How is this a challenge, anyways?

 

[Tiberius]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

Unsupported statement. There's no evidence that such a thing ever happened (which is the same as what we get with the Bible!).

Do it first, then ask me.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

I'd write a semi-confuse and highly ambiguous text about it and have some inerrantists interpret it for him.

 

[fecklesslytrying]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

If I were a mod, I would use your obvious trolling, blatant stupidity, pigheadedness, and annoying smug attitude as justification for your perma-banning.

Now, me=banned. Worth it? I think so.

 

[AV1611VET]

None, and I would not expect him to believe it.

If he didn't believe you, though --- he'd be wrong --- wouldn't he?

In fact, I would find him very unreasonable and gullible if he believed it.

Either that --- or explicitly trusting of you.

How is this a challenge, anyways?

Try answering it and see.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd write a semi-confuse and highly ambiguous text about it and have some inerrantists interpret it for him.

Yup --- make your jokes --- then later you can wonder why you don't understand it.

 

[AV1611VET]

If I were a mod, I would use your obvious trolling, blatant stupidity, pigheadedness, and annoying smug attitude as justification for your perma-banning.

That's probably why you're not a mod.

Now, me=banned. Worth it? I think so.

You won't get banned unless you earn it.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Yup --- make your jokes --- then later you can wonder why you don't understand it.

I just think that _I_ do understand fine.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd write a semi-confuse and highly ambiguous text about it and have some inerrantists interpret it for him.

I just think that _I_ do understand fine.

Okie-doke!

So then, you're saying you would cloud the issue on purpose?

 

[Loudmouth]

AV,

Post #332, please.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Okie-doke!

So then, you're saying you would cloud the issue on purpose?

"Cloud the issue" is a good one. Yeah, but why not, just look around at how well it works with a lot of people.

 

[quatona]

If he didn't believe you, though --- he'd be wrong --- wouldn't he?

Sure. Your point being?

Either that --- or explicitly trusting of you.

That would be unreasonable.

Try answering it and see.

I have answered it: I would have no intersubjective evidence.
Your point being?

 

[Split Rock]

Okie-doke!

So then, you're saying you would cloud the issue on purpose?

Hey AVET... my "Nasal Ruby Challenge" thread has returned from the dead. This gives you one more chance to address the O.P. there. Or are you afraid??

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, Post #332, please.

Loudmouth;38685010]If you give the EN apple a stem, scar where the stem enters the apple, vasculature, and a calyx completely with petals then you have given the apple evidence of a history that never occured. These features are equivalent to giving Adam a bellybutton. Since you have already stated that God would not give an EN human a bellybutton per the Omphalos argument then I would assume that you would not give your EN apple these features either. Therefore, the evidence I would present to a third party is the complete lack of features related to the development of the apple much like the lack of a bellybutton would be evidence of Adam's creation.



The anatomy of the apple created from nothing would have to be different from the anatomy of a naturally occuring apple. That is the evidence.



But you did put up a challenge, which I have answered. The lecture is there to explain my reasoning.



Did you give this apple a bellybutton?

Loudmouth, if you're having so much trouble envisioning an apple --- make my OP say a pencil then --- how's that?

(I know --- you'll want to know if it's been sharpened or not --- thus showing a history.)

 

[Loudmouth]

Loudmouth, if you're having so much trouble envisioning an apple --- make my OP say a pencil then --- how's that?

Post #332, please.

 

[FishFace]

If he didn't believe you, though --- he'd be wrong --- wouldn't he?

No. Because no-one ever actually created the apple. That's the problem with hypotheticals, AV - they're hypothetical!

either that --- or explicitly trusting of you.

That means the same as gullible, basically.

Try answering it and see.

Many people did. You want it answered to your satisfaction which isn't going to happen.

 

[NailsII]

If you created an apple in my hand, my word alone is useless. If this was recorded by independant witnesses who wrote it down (or recorded in any other medium), then you have basic evidence.
To use an analogy, if the earth went dark for three hours around 30 AD and this was recorded by the Greeks, Romans, Chinese (to name but a few) as well as the Jews/Christians, then we have independantly acquired evidence that strongly suggests the event actually happened.
If the only eye witness account of you creating an apple is me and a dozen of your closest friends, many people would still be incredibly sceptical - and understandably so.