The Return of My Apple Challenge

[FishFace]

Of course not. What kind of credulous oaf would believe such a note?

But what if the note had, written at the beginning, "I predict that a cow will fall on someone's head" and then, at the end of the note, it said, "A cow just fell on my head."

WHAT THEN???

 

[Nathan Poe]

But what if the note had, written at the beginning, "I predict that a cow will fall on someone's head" and then, at the end of the note, it said, "A cow just fell on my head."

WHAT THEN???

Then I make a fortune selling falling-cow insurance to the truly gullible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course not. What kind of credulous oaf would believe such a note?

That "credulous oaf", if he believed it, would be right, wouldn't he?

It's the ones that refused to believe the note (and your eyewitness testimony) that would be wrong.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That "credulous oaf", if he believed it, would be right, wouldn't he?

It's the ones that refused to believe the note (and your eyewitness testimony) that would be wrong.

Actually, you've got it wrong, since we all know that apples don't just *poof* ex nihilo. They really do grow on trees.

 

[TheOutsider]

I don't get the point of this thread. Are you finally agreeing with us that Creationism cannot be proven scientifically? If so, why should we bother teaching it in science classes? It can't explain anything and it has no evidence. It's just a story.

 

[SpyridonOCA]

Without him seeing it for himself or having a video recording of it happening (in which the video would have to be analyzed for any evidence of tampering) there is no evidence. The only evidence would be me claiming you did so.

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were created by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

 

[SpyridonOCA]

Any particular reason for that? Is creating apples such an exhausting process that you can't do it more than once a week? Are there sanctioned limits on the number of apples you may create?

According to Scripture, the creation week was a one time event.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I shall introduce my 3 minutes exnihlo challenge.
I just created the universe and everything 3 min ago.
How do you prove i didnt.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

According to Scripture, the creation week was a one time event.

Granted, but where does it say that it cannot be repeated?

 

[MattTheAgnostic]

I don't get the point of this thread. Are you finally agreeing with us that Creationism cannot be proven scientifically? If so, why should we bother teaching it in science classes? It can't explain anything and it has no evidence. It's just a story.

Brilliant. TheOutsider has done it again

Basically the OP is saying that he will believe anything anyone ever tells him because there is no evidence to the contrary. I don't believe anyone can discount creationism because you'd have to prove it was wrong, there's always the probability that it's right.

Evolution has evidence for it, not a lack of evidence against it.

 

[LeeC]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

I don't believe you did it in the first place, so you have to think of a way to prove it to me first.

Maybe start by explaining how you think you could do it/did do it.

I have seen magicians do many tricks... I believe I have seen many such things done before. It is all done with mirrors or quick moment of the hand.

But to answer your question, I would point you to the Randi foundation, they offer $1,000,000 for something like this – prove it to them under scientific conditions, and you have yourself a million dollar apple.

Call me a bit of a doubter if you like.

If you want me to describe some scientific conditions I will – just ask.

Lee

 

[shmee]

That "credulous oaf", if he believed it, would be right, wouldn't he?

It's the ones that refused to believe the note (and your eyewitness testimony) that would be wrong.

Do you really think this is going to convince anybody? Sure, maybe this sort of works in your analogy, although I'd still say the friend would be pretty gullible for believing it without asking for proof, but it doesn't work in the real world. What would be your way of knowing if you were right or not? You didn't create the world like you created your ex nihilo apple in the analogy. Sounds like you're confusing belief with knowledge.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to convince your friend I did this?

If you could produce an apple in your hand, it would be worth investigating. But you cannot, so the question is hypothetical, therefore the answers are also hypothetical.

So the answer to you question is “I would explain it hypothetically”, which is the same explanation religious people use to explain everything, and we know how often they got it right.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, you've got it wrong, since we all know that apples don't just *poof* ex nihilo. They really do grow on trees.

Not in my OP, it (not "they") didn't.

F

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't get the point of this thread. Are you finally agreeing with us that Creationism cannot be proven scientifically? If so, why should we bother teaching it in science classes? It can't explain anything and it has no evidence. It's just a story.

No --- I'm forcing you to admit you can't evidence Creation.

And I'm already on record several times as saying I would not trust the public school system to teach my children Creation.

And I disagree --- it's you guys that can't explain anything --- not us.

 

[AV1611VET]

According to Scripture, the creation week was a one time event.

--- That's what I wanted so badly to point out (that God rested on the 7th day) --- but I didn't want to add anything to my OP; as I wanted to keep it as simple as possible.

Good job!

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

No --- I'm forcing you to admit you can't evidence Creation.

And I'm already on record several times as saying I would not trust the public school system to teach my children Creation.

And I disagree --- it's you guys that can't explain anything --- not us.

You cannot prove creationism using evidence as there is no evidence, unless you use hypothetical metaphors, such as the mystical apple argument. Get real, you nor anyone else has evidence of creationism. Creationists have lost the argument, and now rely on indoctrination of children to keep the faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Granted, but where does it say that it cannot be repeated?

[bible]Genesis 2:1-2[/bible]

Although It doesn't say it cannot be repeated --- It does say He won't repeat it.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You cannot prove creationism using evidence as there is no evidence, unless you use hypothetical metaphors, such as the mystical apple argument. Get real, you nor anyone else has evidence of creationism. Creationists have lost the argument, and now rely on indoctrination of children to keep the faith.

and the platypus

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't believe you did it in the first place, so you have to think of a way to prove it to me first.

To be quite honest --- this is being disrespectful to my OP --- (but what else is old?).

If you don't believe it, please don't bother to reply.

I'm only interested in those who will take my OP at face value.

(I can't get blood from a turnip, though.)