The Return of My Apple Challenge

[LittleLambofJesus]

Either way, you will --- as a spectator, or as a participant.

Hmm interesting. How come the KJperV uses the same english word for completely different greek words?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Matt 12:41 `Men Ninevites shall be resurrecting/ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this,

(KJV) Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation

Matt 12:42 `A Queen of the south shall be being aroused/egerqhsetai <1453> (5701) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this,

(KJV) Matthew 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation,

 

[AV1611VET]

How come the KJperV uses the same english word for completely different greek words?

Because It's not a "perV," like you'd like to think It is.

For one thing, It knows the difference between JEHOVAH and YAHWEH ---

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Because It's not a "perV," like you'd like to think It is.

For one thing, It knows the difference between JEHOVAH and YAHWEH ---

That is why I like to use the Hebrew words for the different ways "God" is used.
Did ya notice "almighty" in the NT/NC is used only 1 time outside of the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Exodus 6:3 I appeared therefore unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob, as 0410 'El Almighty/Shadday,--although, by my name Y@hovah was I not made known to them;

2 Corin 6:18 And I shall be to ye as a father, and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters, is saying Lord Almighty/panto-kratwr <3841>.

Reve 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega [*beggining and end] is saying Lord, the GOD, the One-is, and the One-was, and the One-coming/ercomenoV <2064> (5740), the Almighty/panto-kratwr <3841>.[2 corin 6:18]

 

[AV1611VET]

That is why I like to use the Hebrew words for the different ways "God" is used.

Let me get this straight, Lamb. You insist on calling God YAHWEH, so you consider any passage that calls Him YAHWEH to be correct --- is that right? And any translation that refuses to call Him YAHWEH, to you, is sub-standard. Have I got that right?

 

[Nathan Poe]

They'll be resurrected to have it explained to them --- something your science can't do.

Something God won't do -- how often are we Atheists going to have to correct your bad theology?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Let me get this straight, Lamb. You insist on calling God YAHWEH, so you consider any passage that calls Him YAHWEH to be correct --- is that right? And any translation that refuses to call Him YAHWEH, to you, is sub-standard. Have I got that right?

You should be used to that, AV -- any traslation besides the KJV is sub-standard to you, isn't it?

 

[ReverendDG]

Because It's not a "perV," like you'd like to think It is.

For one thing, It knows the difference between JEHOVAH and YAHWEH ---

JEHOVAH is a mistranslation of YAHWEH most of the english translators didn't have a clue it seems that the jewish people when reading the name YHWH, replaced it with the term adonai.
you do realize AV that hebrew doesn't have vowels right?
so really the name is YHWH with adonai inserted to tell people not to use YHWH when speaking of god. translators don't care, so they mangled it out to JEHOVAH.
the funny thing is J seems to come from doing this, its a mangled Y.

 

[ReverendDG]

Let me get this straight, Lamb. You insist on calling God YAHWEH, so you consider any passage that calls Him YAHWEH to be correct --- is that right? And any translation that refuses to call Him YAHWEH, to you, is sub-standard. Have I got that right?

any translation that doesn't use YHWH would be wrong, theres no sub-standard involved here, it would just be wrong.
YHWH is what would be correct, even though its still not his name, its a statement

 

[ReverendDG]

You should be used to that, AV -- any traslation besides the KJV is sub-standard to you, isn't it?

i guess i'm the exact opposite, i think the KJV is substandard to every other translation
well the NIV too

 

[AV1611VET]

You should be used to that, AV -- any traslation besides the KJV is sub-standard to you, isn't it?

I gotta admit, you got me on that one ---

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

JEHOVAH is a mistranslation of YAHWEH most of the english translators didn't have a clue it seems that the jewish people when reading the name YHWH, replaced it with the term adonai.
you do realize AV that hebrew doesn't have vowels right?
so really the name is YHWH with adonai inserted to tell people not to use YHWH when speaking of god. translators don't care, so they mangled it out to JEHOVAH.
the funny thing is J seems to come from doing this, its a mangled Y.

Greetings and thanks for that enlightening post.
I generally use YHWH to signify the Existing One/Creator but again so many translations use the word God in place of different hebrew words, such EL or Elohiym.

Btw, what are your thoughts on when the Hebrew word "elohiym" is used with the article "the" as it is used here. Thanks.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Exodus 3:12 And He is saying: "That I Shall Be/01961 hayah with thee, and this for thee the-Sign that I sent thee in to bring forth you the people out of Egypt. Ye shall serve The-'Elohiym on the Mountain, this.'
13 And- Mosheh -is-saying to The-'Elohiym , "Lo, I coming to sons of Yisra'el, and I say to them, 'Elohiym of your fathers He sends me to you'. And they have said to me, 'What Name of Him'? What shall I say to them"? 14 And 'Elohiym is saying to Mosheh, "I-shall-be/01961 hayah who I-shall-be/01961 hayah". And-He saying "Thus thou shall say to sons of Yisra'el, 'I-shall-be/01961 hayah, He-sent-me unto-thee'".

 

[AV1611VET]

Let me get this straight, Lamb. You insist on calling God YAHWEH, so you consider any passage that calls Him YAHWEH to be correct --- is that right? And any translation that refuses to call Him YAHWEH, to you, is sub-standard. Have I got that right?

Bumped for LLoJ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by AV1611VET Let me get this straight, Lamb. You insist on calling God YAHWEH, so you consider any passage that calls Him YAHWEH to be correct --- is that right? And any translation that refuses to call Him YAHWEH, to you, is sub-standard. Have I got that right?

What the heck are you talking about? I go by the Hebrew texts, not english translations. Why not just simply say YHWH or even LORD and use Elohiym for God. You translate your way and I will translate the Hebrew way.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Exodus 6:3 I appeared therefore unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob, as 0410 'El Almighty/Shadday,--although, by my name YHWH was I not made known to them;

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

03068 Y@hovah {yeh-ho-vaw'} from 01961; TWOT - 484a; n pr dei
AV - LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519
Jehovah = "the existing One"

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

(KJV) Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

(JPS1917 OT) Exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah {The Hebrew word (four Hebrew letters: HE, VAV, HE, YOD,) remained in the English text untranslated; the English word 'Jehovah' was substituted for this Hebrew word. The footnote for this Hebrew word is: "The ineffable name, read Adonai, which means the Lord."} I made Me not known to them.

(ASV) Exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.

(Rotherham) Exodus 6:3 I appeared, therefore, unto Abraham unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as GOD Almighty,--although, by my name Yahweh was I not made known to them;

(Young) Exodus 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; as to My name Jehovah, I have not been known to them;

(Douay-Rheims) Exodus 6:3 That appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty: and my name ADONAI I did not shew them.


Btw, there is an interesting discussion concerning CF and Universalism here:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7265785
Is advocacy for Universalism against the rules?

 

[Nathan Poe]

What the heck are you talking about? I go by the Hebrew texts, not english translations. Why not just simply say YHWH or even LORD and use Elohiym for God. You translate your way and I will translate the Hebrew way.

IOW, He goes his way and you go YAHWEH.

 

[AV1611VET]

What the heck are you talking about? I go by the Hebrew texts, not english translations.

Then why do you constantly quote it to us in English, after giving it to us in Hebrew? In other words, you don't like the English translation, so why are you doing the exact same thing other translators did? Giving it to us in English? Do you see yourself as some kind of self-appointed scribe or something? (I'm just asking here.)

 

[AV1611VET]

IOW, He goes his way and you go YAHWEH.

I go JEHOVAH, The Way ---

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way...

 

[Nathan Poe]

Then why do you constantly quote it to us in English, after giving it to us in Hebrew? In other words, you don't like the English translation, so why are you doing the exact same thing other translators did? Giving it to us in English? Do you see yourself as some kind of self-appointed scribe or something? (I'm just asking here.)

You seem to be a pretty sharp guy, AV, so I'm not sure how you could miss that most people are not fluent in Hebrew, and appreciate the courtesy of an English translation for the purposes of this discussion.

Again, not sure how you missed that -- but then again, even Tiger Woods can miss a putt.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I go JEHOVAH, The Way ---

But of course.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Ezekiel 22:19 Therefore thus saith my Lord/'Adonay YHWH/03069 Y@hovih: Because ye are all become dross, therefore, behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7265785

2 Peter 3:16 As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rest of Writings, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [this form of # 684 used reve 17:8, 11]

Reve 17:8 The wild beast which you perceived was, and not is, and is being about to be ascending out of the abyss, and into destruction/apwleian <684> it is going away.

 

[AV1611VET]

You seem to be a pretty sharp guy, AV, so I'm not sure how you could miss that most people are not fluent in Hebrew, and appreciate the courtesy of an English translation for the purposes of this discussion.

Except, in order to do it properly, you need to realize that it must be a person(s) specifically chosen of God to translate the Scriptures.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Except, in order to do it properly, you need to realize that it must be a person(s) specifically chosen of God to translate the Scriptures.

Rubbish. No such persons have ever existed.