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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by FineLinen, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. FineLinen

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    To stake out a claim in territory of Godness is the ultimate trespass. The territory of, and which is, Godness, permits no squatters.

    Venturing a claim there to even the tiniest plot is verboten—nay; no way; nix that; nyet! Yet to attempt such infamy is encouraged by conventional Christian teaching. Not only is it encouraged, it is considered an absolute necessity for setting forth, and traveling successfully, on the Way.

    It’s not any old plot within Godness territory we’re talking about. It’s a place of vastly strategic importance. It is situated on Deity high ground. Allow me to explain:

    With whatever else it is that characterizes God, be it known that one characteristic stands out as clearly as any other, i.e., GOD ALWAYS HAS HIS WAY IN ALL THINGS…ABSOLUTELY!

    There is no place for compromise on that point; there’s no, “Well, golly gee, My little creatures, I’ll cede over to y’all that particularly strategic stronghold of sovereignty. After all, I want my kingdom to include a democratic principle. Y’all deserve a vote on how We do things around here. If y’all don’t like what I propose, speak up, I’ll listen and make whatever adjustments are necessary to not infringe on your ‘free will,’ on your claim to a portion of My sovereignty. Share and share alike, is what I say.”

    This nonsense must be cleared up in advance of the consummation of all things, and it will be, for it is “…that every knee will bow, of those in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2: 10, 11 NASB) Jesus is not the One who bends His knee to us, except, in His self-emptying, to figuratively wash our feet, as He who came not to be served, but to serve, and give His life a ransom for many. (Mark 10:45) Nothing can stand in the way of His Lordship. Being Lord means that all authority has been given to Him in heaven and earth, with the power to enforce His authority. (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 7:12)

    There is among most Christians the idea that though the Father desires great and good things for all mankind, yet they insist that things will not actually turn out that way.

    They imagine that the Lordship of Christ simply amounts to Him having the authority and power to punish us for not letting Him have His Way, i.e., since they’ve staked out that strategic plot within the territory of sovereignty. They think it simply means He’s bigger and stronger than us, and if He can’t have His way, then according to the authority vested in Him by God, with the corresponding power, He’ll show us who’s boss vindictively.

    We need to consider how determined Father and Son are.

    It’s the cross of Christ that reveals God’s determination to have His Way. He was of a mind and will to BE, in action, what He IS by nature: perfect Love. It meant the Way of the Cross; The Via Dolorosa. With the Father, and our Lord Jesus, it was, “so be it,” and it was. Do you dare imagine that God will allow even one drop of the precious shed blood of Christ to turn out to be wasted, of having no final application to some souls? Do you dare imagine that God is a God who will settle for cutting His losses as best He can? Or do you imagine that They never planned on a universally grand and good conclusion, as is shamefully insisted by our Calvinist brethren.

    Don’t think I’m only getting in the face of our Calvinist brethren. While they insist that God, from eternity, has elected some to salvation, and all the rest to damnation, and it’s in that sense that God has His Way, Arminianism perceives God to have chosen to be subject to the will of man. Dare we imagine that God will be denied the holy desire of His heart? How utterly pathetic it is that Christians have settled on it having to be one or the other of the above. The intellectual contortions involved in trying to prove one or the other would be laughable if it were not actually a matter of bearing false witness against God.

    Grand and glorious is the Divine plan: God will settle for nothing less than sharing Himself in all His glory with all mankind in a new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    (Isa. 40:5; Hab. 2:14; 2Pet. 3:13) Through Isaiah, the Lord testified that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will fill all the earth as the waters cover the sea. The sense of that glorious statement is that, when compared with the New Testament’s teaching on knowing God, it conveys that all that is earthen will be filled with the experiential and intimate knowledge of the Lord. God Himself will be what we in divine fellowship KNOW. Reality and perception shall finally meet as one. That is, we shall know God, as God knows Himself. I’m raising an issue here that is at the heart of the refreshed reformation that is presently making itself known in pulpit and pew, among the formally trained in theology, and among those who, though not formally trained in such things, know simply that their God is a good God, good always, and good to all.

    -John Gavazzoni-
     
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    What is the meaning of the word "pure"?

    1. Free from anything of a different, inferior, or contaminating kind; free from extraneous matter: pure gold; pure water.

    2. Unmodified by an admixture; simple or homogeneous.
    of unmixed descent or ancestry.

    3. Free from foreign or inappropriate elements.

    4. Clear/ free from blemishes.

    Koine=

    Hagnos = pure from defilement.

    From hagios = HOLY.

    Katharos = cleansed by fire. Pure.

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    The Consuming Fire

    Nothing is inexorable but love. Love which will yield to prayer is imperfect and poor. Nor is it then the love that yields, but its alloy. For if at the voice of entreaty love conquers displeasure, it is love asserting itself, not love yielding its claims. It is not love that grants a boon unwillingly; still less is it love that answers a prayer to the wrong and hurt of him who prays. Love is one, and love is changeless.

    For love loves unto purity. Love has ever in view the absolute loveliness of that which it beholds. Where loveliness is incomplete, and love cannot love its fill of loving, it spends itself to make more lovely, that it may love more; it strives for perfection, even that itself may be perfected–not in itself, but in the object. As it was…

    Unspoken Sermons by George MacDonald: The Consuming Fire

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    What is the meaning of the word "pure"?
    1. Free from anything of a different, inferior, or contaminating kind; free from extraneous matter: pure gold; pure water.
    2. Unmodified by an admixture; simple or homogeneous.
    of unmixed descent or ancestry.
    3. Free from foreign or inappropriate elements.
    4. Clear/ free from blemishes.
    Koine=
    Hagnos = pure from defilement.
    From hagios = HOLY.
    Katharos = cleansed by fire. Pure
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    No fire anywhere.
    καθαρός, ά, όν (s. καθαρίζω; Hom.+)
    ① pert. to being clean or free of adulterating matter, clean, pure, of a cup Mt 23:26. σινδών clean linen (PGM 4, 1861; 2189; 3095; 5, 217) Mt 27:59. λίνον καθαρὸν λαμπρόν (v.l. λίθον; on this Philo, Mos. 2, 72) Rv 15:6. βύσσινον λαμπρὸν κ. 19:8; cp. vs. 14; ὠμόλινον κ. Hs 8, 4, 1. ὕδωρ pure, clean water (Eur., Hipp. 209; SIG 972, 169; PGM 4, 3252; Ezk 36:25; Philo, Spec. Leg. 3, 58; Mel., Fgm. 8b, 17; 40 P.) Hb 10:22. Of metals (Hdt. 4, 166; Aristot., Meteor. 383b, 1; Theocr. 15, 36 ἀργύριον; Plut., Alex. 684 [32, 9] ἄργυρος; Sb 4481, 13 σίδηρος) χρυσίον κ. pure gold (Diod S 3, 14, 4; Ex 25:31; 2 Ch 3:5) Rv 21:18a, 21; ὕαλος κ. clear crystal vs. 18b. In the fig. lang. of Ignatius, referring to martyrdom, we have the concept κ. ἄρτος (Hdt. 2, 40; Teles p. 40, 11; Dio Chrys. 13 [7], 76 al.; Jur. Pap. 36, 29; POxy 736, 26) pure (wheat) bread, without admixture IRo 4:1. κ. φῶς pure light IRo 6:2.—ὁ λελουμένος ἐστὶν καθαρὸς ὅλος a person who has bathed is clean all over J 13:10a.
    ② pert. to being cultically/ceremonially pure, ritually pure (ins; PGM 4, 3084; 3085; LXX; Iren. 3, 12, 7 [Harv. II 60, 3]; Did., Gen. 177, 13) of the temple τὸ ἱερὸν … καθαρόν Ox 840, 17f. πάντα καθαρά everything is ritually pure, hence fit for use Ro 14:20; Tit 1:15ac.
    ③ pert. to being free from moral guilt, pure, free fr. sin (Pind., P. 5, 2; Pla., Rep. 6 p. 496d καθαρὸς ἀδικίας τε καὶ ἀνοσίων ἔργων, Crat. 403e; 405b al.; LXX; PsSol 17:36; EpArist, Philo, Joseph.; TestBenj 8:2f; ἔχειν κ. ψυχήν Theoph. Ant. 1, 2 [p. 60, 22]).
    ⓐ of a pers. as entity οἱ καθαροί Tit 1:15b; cp. J 13:10b, 11; 15:3. Christendom is Christ’s λαὸς κ. Hs 9, 18, 4. οἱ καθαροὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ (Ps 23:4) Mt 5:8; cp. PEg3 45 (τῇ καρδίᾳ restored), 47f (καρδίας restored). καθαρὸς τῇ συνειδήσει ITr 7:2b; guiltless Ac 18:6. καθαρά εἰμι ἐγὼ καὶ ἄνδρα οὐ γινώσκω I am guiltless and still a virgin GJs 13:3. ἀπό τινος free from (Ps.-Demosth. 59, 78; Cass. Dio 37, 24, 2. Exx. fr. pap and ins in Dssm., NB 24 [BS 196]; PGM 13, 648; 1004; Gen 24:8; Pr 20:9; Tob 3:14; PsSol 17:36; Jos., Ant. 4, 222; Ath. 12, 3; ἀπὸ ἁμαρτίας Orig., C. Cels. 7, 50, 6) ἀπὸ τ. αἵματος (Sus 46 Theod.) Ac 20:26. ἀπὸ ῥύπου 1 Cl 17:4 (Job 14:4). καθαρός εἰμι ἐγὼ ἐξ αὐτῆς I am without guilt as respects her GJs 15:4. Before God ἐνώπιον αὐτοῦ 15:3.—Also of the Holy Spirit Hm 5, 1, 2, imagery of brightness.
    ⓑ of things related to a pers. as a morally or spiritually responsible being κ. καρδία (Lucian, Nigr. 14 κ. ἦθος; Simplicius in Epict. p. 93, 49 ζωὴ κ.; Gen 20:5; Ps 50:12; cp. κ. ψυχή: Pythagoras in Diog. L. 8, 31; Diod S 12, 20, 2; 13, 29, 6; πνεῦμα κ. Ath. 27:1) 1 Ti 1:5; 2 Ti 2:22; 1 Pt 1:22; B 15:1; 1 Cl 18:10; Hv 3, 9, 8; σάρξ Hs 5, 7, 1; κ. συνείδησις (POslo 17, 10 [136 A.D.]) 1 Ti 3:9; 2 Ti 1:3; 1 Cl 45:7 (cp. κ. συνειδός: Philo, Spec. Leg. 1, 203, Praem. 84); θρησκεία κ. Js 1:27. χεῖρες καθαραί (Aeschyl., Eum. 313, also Plut., Pericl. 8, 8; SIG 983, 5; Job 9:30; 22:30; Philo, Virt. 57; Jos., Bell. 5, 380, Ant. 4, 222; Just., D. 12, 3) B 15:1. μετάνοια κ. Hm 2:7; 12, 3, 2. διάνοια 1 Cl 21:8; Hs 4:7. αφ.11.6.14. m 5, 1, 3. ἔντευξιν 10, 3, 3.
    ④ pert. to being pure ritually and morally, pure, ritual and moral purity merge (Simplicius in Epict. p. 111, 18) Lk 11:41. After a confession of sins καθαρὰ ἡ θυσία ὑμῶν D 14:1, 3. ὁ ἐντὸς θυσιαστηρίου ὢν καθαρός ἐστιν ITr 7:2a.—TWächter, Reinheitsvorschriften im griech. Kult 1910; FPfister, Katharsis.—M-M. Pauly-W. Suppl. IV ’35, 146ff.—DELG. EDNT. TW.
    Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 489). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
     
  5. FineLinen

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    What the prophets of the Most High God declare is total triumph by the Author & Finisher. It is not a partial victory by our God with tis/some coming to no more sin, but the ta pante/the all standing in complete harmony & at-one-ment with the A. & F., the whole many "made sin" to the many "made righteous."

    Man's Gospel =

    If I am lifted up from the earth I will draw a small portion of mankind unto me. (The rest I will torment forever)

    The gospel of Jesus Christ

    "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all mankind to Myself.”

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    This is also the Gospel of Jesus Christ which UR-ites ignore.
    Jesus taught e.g.,

    • “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:Matthew 25:41
    • "these shall go away into eternal punishment, Matthew 25:46"
    • "the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die, Mark 9:43-48"
    • "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth,Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50
    • “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.Matthew 18:6
    • “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Matthew 7:23
    • “woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Matthew 26:24
    • “But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.” Luke 10:12
    …..These teachings tacitly reaffirmed and sanctioned a then existing significant Jewish view of eternal hell. In Matt. 18:6, 26:24 and Luk 10:12, see above, Jesus teaches that there is a punishment worse than death or nonexistence.
    …..Jesus is quoted as using the word death 17 times in the gospels, if He wanted to say eternal death in Matt 25:46, that is what He would have said but He didn’t, He said “
    eternal punishment.” The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, they knew that everybody died; rich, poor, young, old, good, bad, men, women, children, infants and knew that often it had nothing to do with punishment and was permanent. When Jesus taught “eternal punishment” they would not have understood it as merely death, it would have meant something worse to them.
     
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    Two little letters, one major difference.

    Some translators have translated the word in the declaration of the final triumph of Jesus Christ in all dimensions of the heavens, earth, and underworld as "at" not "in".

    The koine is EN and means in. The declaration means that all creation will worship Him as they bow before Him in unrestrained worship, praise & adoration.

     
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    One should do their homework before posting. There are many more verses.
    Matthew 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at [εν] any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
    Matthew 8:6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at [εν] home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
    Matthew 11:25 At [εν] that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    Matthew 12:1 At [εν] that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
    Matthes 13:49 So shall it be at [εν] the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
    Matthew 14:1 At [εν] that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus,
    Matthew 18:1 At [εν] the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
    Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at [εν] the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at [εν] him.
    Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at [εν] liberty them that are bruised,
    Luke 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at [εν] Jerusalem.
     
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    That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampsh).

    First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina.

    Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven.

    This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22 ; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13 .

    Under the earth (katacqoniwn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. -Robertson Word Pictures-

     
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    Acts 3:21

    "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." (KJV)

    "Who is to be kept in heaven till the time when all things are put right, of which God has given word by the mouth of his holy prophets, who have been from the earliest times."
    (BBE)

    "Whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from long ago."(Common)

    "Whom heaven indeed must receive till the times of the restoring of all things, of which God has spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets since time began." (Darby)

    "Heaven must receive him until the time of universal restoration that God announced long ago through the voice of his holy prophets." (ISV)

    Whom, indeed, heaven must retain till the time of the accomplishment of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets, from the beginning of time.
    (LO)

    "Whom the heavens must receive until the time of restoration of all things. "God spoke of this ages ago, through the mouth of his holy prophets." (Montgomery)

    "Whom the heavens must retain, until the completion of the times of those things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets of old." (Murdock)

    "Unto whom, indeed, heaven must needs give welcome, until the times of the due establishment of all things, of which God hath spoken through the mouth of his holy age-past prophets." (Rotherham)

    "Whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God spoke long ago by the mouth of his holy prophets." (WEB)

    "Heaven must receive Him until those times of which God has spoken from the earliest ages through the lips of His holy Prophets--the times of the reconstitution of all things."
    (Weymouth)

    "Whom it behoveth heaven, indeed, to receive till times of a restitution of all things, of which God spake through the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age." (YLT)

    "...of universal restoration" TCNT

    "....of the great Restoration" (James Moffatt)

    "....for the universal reformation..." (Goodspeed)

    "....when all things are put right" (BAS)

    "...when all is restored anew." Monsig. Ronald Knox

    "...until the whole world is re-created" Rieu

    "...until the final recovery of all things from sin." Kenneth Taylor

    “Now it’s time to change your ways! Turn to face God so he can wipe away your sins, pour out showers of blessing to refresh you, and send you the Messiah he prepared for you, namely, Jesus. For the time being he must remain out of sight in heaven until everything is restored to order again just the way God, through the preaching of his holy prophets of old, said it would be. -MSG-

    What does restitution mean?

    Restitution= Apokatastsis

    Apokatastsis=


    Restoration of a true theocracy.

    Of the perfect state before the fall.

    Apokatastsis Rooted In Apokathistemi

    Apokathistemi=


    To restore to its former state.

    To be in its former state.

    Apokathistemi Rooted In Apo

    Apo=


    Of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed.

    Of the place whence anything is, comes, befalls, is taken
    of origin of a cause.

    Apokathistemi Rooted In Kathistemi

    Kathistemi=


    To set/ place/ put.

    To set one over a thing (in charge of it)

    To appoint one to administer an office.

    To set down as/ constitute/ to declare/ show to be.

    To constitute/ to render/ make/ cause to be.

    To conduct or bring to a certain place.

    To show or exhibit one's self/ come forward as.

    Apokathistemi Rooted In Histemi

    Histemi=


    To cause or make to stand/ to place/ put/ set.

    To make firm, fix establish.

    To stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape in safety.

    To uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything
    to set or place in a balance.

    Continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or prepared.

    To be of a steadfast mind.

    Of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver.
     
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    What is the Time-frame of Acts 3:21?
    By Jonathan Mitchell


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    "until times of a movement away from all things that have been firmly put down, set and established and until the periods of successive events which occur in passing moments, moving all mankind away from having been placed and positioned down as well as from the state or condition of all things that had been determined from an indefinite period of time (or: from a [particular] age)"

    What is the Time-frame of Acts 3:21? By Jonathan Mitchell
     
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    We live in the Cosmos that God created, without mention of the creation of "Hell" or any other such place. Believing in such a place makes about as much sense as this fellow

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    blathering on about aliens, using terms like "perhaps," "maybe," "possibly" and "what if?"...but without any real evidence.

    Yes, God created the heavens and the earth, so it's a hierarchy:

    God...Cosmos...heavens...earth...man...animals...plants...and so on.

    Put on this proper understanding, not the dualistic "heaven versus hell" mindset that sees God ruling over Heaven and Satan ruling over Hell. It is also falsifiable by looking at Job chapters 1 and 2 where God asks Satan where he came from. Surprise! He did not come up from Hell, but from the Earth. Satan is not the Prince of Hell...or even Heck. Further, we are not a contested prize, with our "souls" fought over by the forces of Heaven and Hell. Nope - we belong to God, both the righteous and the wicked.

    I can only conclude that Hell was adapted from paganism or invented to keep pews and offering plates full...to keep the laity in line...and to make some feel good about their superior position as opposed to those supposed to go to Hell. I note, however, that if some/most of humanity is in Hell forever (and ever and ever and ever) then Death can never be defeated or destroyed, and God can never become All in all. Why would He be willing to end up like that?
     
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    The same repetitious heterodox nonsense repeated over and over and over while you ignore all discussion and evidence presented. Your understanding of death being defeated is faulty evidently because you have not read all relevant scripture. For example Rev 21:4-8
    Revelation 21:4-8
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
    6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
    8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
    Vs. 4 God said "there shall be no more death."
    Vs. 5 "behold I make all things new."
    Vs. 7 'He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.' Which imposes a condition, the converse is "He that does NOT overcome shall NOT inherit all things; and I will NOT be his God, and he shall NOT be my son."
    Vs. 8 Although God said "no more death" and "I make all things new" in vs. 8 God says eight groups of people will be thrown in to the lake of fire which is still the second death.
    Please provide the UR twist to this passage. And while you are at it please show us where salvation is mentioned between this verses and the end of Rev?
     
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    Music video, off topic.
     
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    Evidently you have trouble remembering that I have read "all relevant scripture," having read a number of Bible versions from cover to cover. My understanding of death is highly dependent on a verse you left . out of your list: I Corinthians 15:55-57.
     
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    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    Someone claiming to have read "all relevant scripture" does not make it so. And 1 Cor 15:55-57 does not in any way trump, supersede or invalidate Revelation 21:4-8.
     
  18. FineLinen

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    The manifold wisdom of God.

    Manifold = polupoikilos =

    Much variegation.

    Marked with great variety of colours.

    The manifold wisdom of God is expressed in a couple of words in koine all speaking of something more, yes much more like polupoikilos.

    The radical pas gives way to polupoikilos and an expanse within Dear Abba flowing into inarticulate dimensions of His inner sanctuary of Himself.

    " And so here I am, preaching and writing about things that are way over my head, the inexhaustible riches and generosity of Christ. My task is to bring out in the open and make plain what God, who created all this in the first place, has been doing in secret and behind the scenes all along… this extraordinary plan of God is becoming known and talked about even among the angels!" -MSG-
     
  19. FineLinen

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    I Know A Man Who Can

    I can't take a heart that's broken, make it over again,
    But I know a man who can.
    I can't take a soul that's sin sick make it white as the snow,
    But I know a man who can.

    Some call him Savior the redeemer of all men,
    I call him Jesus for he's my dearest friend.
    If you feel that no one loves you and your life is out of hand
    I know a man who can.

    I can't walk upon the waters or calm the trouble sea,
    But I know a man who can.
    And I can't cause blind eyes to open or make the lame to walk again,
    But I know a man who can.

    Some call him Savior the redeemer of all men,
    I call him Jesus for he's my dearest friend.
    If you feel no one can help you and your life is out of hand,
    I know a man who can... yes I know a man who can.

     
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    “I thank God that He has at last brought me to a lively sense of His infinite goodness and mercy to all, and that I now see it in all His works, and in every page of His Word. It has taught me to love every man and to rejoice in the happiness which our Heavenly Father intends for all; and has dispersed all the gloomy and melancholy thoughts which arise from the apprehension of eternal misery for myself or friends.

    How long, or how much God will punish wicked men, He has nowhere said, and therefore I cannot tell. But this I am sure of, that in judgment He will remember mercy; that He chastens only because He loves, and His tender mercies are over all His works. God will conduct the wicked through all the afflictions which He thinks fit to lay upon them for their good, with infinite tenderness and compassion.” - Dr. David Hartley-

    Christ Jesus will deliver all mankind out of bondage. This I see to be a truth by testimony of Scripture, as God is pleased to teach me. But this mystery of God is not to be done all at once, but in several dispensations, some whereof are past, some are in being, and some are yet to come. The whole creation of mankind, which is God’s work, shall be delivered from corruption, bondage, death, and pain. Mankind shall be by Christ reconciled to his Maker and be made one in spirit with Him; i.e. the curse shall be removed, and the power of it killed and consumed.

    Truly this is according to the current of the whole Scriptures, that everyone shall be made of one heart and one spirit, i.e. that all shall be brought to obey the Father, walk humbly before Him, and live in peace and love in Him. This is the doctrine of Christ and the gospel. This is glad tidings to hear of. When you are made to enjoy this doctrine as yours, then you shall know what it is to know the Son, and what it is to be set free by the Son.” – Gerard Winstanley- (The mystery of God)

    No more let sin and sorrow grow
    Nor thorns infest the ground:
    He comes to make his blessings flow
    Far as the curse is found,
    Far as the curse is found,
    Far as, far as the curse is found.
     
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