The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[Noxot]

the fear of God is the fear to be apart from him. there is already separation in treating God like someone ready to strike you down with lightning. idolaters should repent and stop bending their knees to the god of this world.

 

[FineLinen]

John 10:10-11 (ESV2011)
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

if you want me to get complex on explaining the rest of the first biblical quote... God speaks in judgments and commandments in such a way that expresses modes/states of being.

Please do not get complex. The Master lays down His life for His sheep and His goats. He is the Source, He is the Goal of the all!

 

[FineLinen]

the fear of God is the fear to be apart from him.

Good luck friend! The Goal of the all/ the ta pante, makes it impossible to be "apart from Him".

 

[Noxot]

Good luck friend! The Goal of the all/ the ta pante, makes it impossible to be "apart from Him".

so what do you call raping a 3 year old then? salvation?

 

[FineLinen]

Noxot: The destruction of the wicked=

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/wicked2.htm

"Does God destroy anything that He cannot restore? Is He impotent in the face of the adversary, a creature that He has created? Is the adversary smarter or more clever than God? Can Satan win the majority of God's creatures away from God and God is impotent to win them back?"

Is "destruction" a passing process or a finished goal? Matthew 18:11.

 

[Noxot]

Noxot: The destruction of the wicked=

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/wicked2.htm

I know that the destruction of the wicked is a process of salvation

but evil people don't live in the Holy Spirit and that is why they need salvation. what use is it that God is with us if we are not with God?

 

[FineLinen]

I know that the destruction of the wicked is a process of salvation

but evil people don't live in the Holy Spirit and that is why they need salvation. what use is it that God is with us if we are not with God?

Salvation is indeed a process! Timing is also part of the on-going process. Be patient: the final declaration IN union with the Name of all names extends to all dimensions of 1. the heavens, 2. the earth, 3. the underworld. He is the ta pante of the all!

 

[FineLinen]

The Destruction Of The Wicked

The "Destruction" of the Wicked

Roger Tutt

Hope 4 You, Roger Tutt

Prof. Keith DeRose The Really Good News

Universalism and the Bible – Keith DeRose

"..so abundant was God's grace,the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it—the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. In Him we also have been made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will, so that we should be devoted to the extolling of His glorious attributes.."

The Purpose of God By Vladimir Gelesnoff

In PAUL'S letters repeated reference is made to God's "purpose" (Rom.8:28; 9:11; Eph.1:11; 3:11; 2 Tim.1:9). In all these scriptures the word is prothesis. Its force may be gathered from the fact that the twelve loaves which were placed on the Tabernacle table before the Lord are styled "loaves of purpose" (Matt.12:4; Mark 2:26; Luke 6:14; Heb.9:2).

Hence the scriptures which speak of God's prothesis tell us that He has set before Himself a definite aim or object which He is bent on achieving.

In Eph.3:11, occurs the phrase, "according to the purpose of the eons which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The Purpose Of God, by Vladimir Gelesnoff

George Hawtin: The Restitution Of All Things

https://www.godfire.net/restitutionHawtin.html

A.P. Adams

http://sigler.org/adams/

Christ Triumphant (Thomas Allin)

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm

The Second Death & The Restitution Of All Things (Andrew Jukes)

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/jukes2.html

Francois Du Toit

http://www.christianuniversalism.com/articles/against-a-christless-universal-ism/

"Our message is powerful enough to stop people in their tracks with the best news ever! Sin in its every disguise doesn’t have what it takes to even remotely match the attraction and total contentment and appeal of the Christ life!"

 

[needhugs]

so what do you call raping a 3 year old then? salvation?

I was one of those little girls, but you know, if i could go back in time and change ONE THING... i would go back to 3 years ago and save my beloved chihuahua's life... if i went back, and changed the abuse, i don't even know whom i would be, and maybe i would never have felt a need for God... i never would have gotten in sooooooooooooo much trouble, that i have been crying out for God to come closer and closer, for the last 20 years...

just sayin'

'They that sow in tears, shall reap in joy'
i think that's Psalm 126:5

 

[Noxot]

I was one of those little girls, but you know, if i could go back in time and change ONE THING... i would go back to 3 years ago and save my beloved chihuahua's life... if i went back, and changed the abuse, i don't even know whom i would be, and maybe i would never have felt a need for God... i never would have gotten in sooooooooooooo much trouble, that i have been crying out for God to come closer and closer, for the last 20 years...
just sayin'

I understand that God uses evil for good. that's his grace. he turns things to our good, that is why the Holy Spirit is the final salvation and third and last person of the Trinity. but be careful that you don't think God is someone that would torture you until you turn to him. there is a difference in being in union with God and in Gods providence over all.

being in union with God is closer to him. merely having his providence over all makes him order all things in the best way while we still keep whatever kinds of nature fallen or not because they have to remain free or they won't exist. and God orders things in a manner that is always trying to pull and direct all things closer to himself.


just because something is said does not mean it is plain, but faith in God is important.

Heb 5:14 (ESV2011)
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.


God gave us freedom by hollowing out himself which means we can make good or evil, in this way God "made" evil. we are each a little room inside of God and God is not rude to take away what he gave even if he does not like the evils people might torture him with.

Luke 6:45 (ESV2011)
The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

or you could say that we are evil and God made us and yet this is not the same as saying that God raped a 3 year old or that he wants it or loves it or thinks it should exist. p.s. I think Jesus might prefer his death over someone raping a 3 y.o.

Luke 11:13 (ESV2011)
If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

God created conditions that take us away from his divine necessity and beauty, so we have freedom. only God is good, as Jesus said. therefore God can't do evil.

3 John 1:11 (ESV2011)
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.

Rom 3:5-8 (ESV2011)
But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? ( I speak in a human way.) By no means! For then how could God judge the world? But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.

or you could say that God created evil by being good, just like you don't know hot without cold or small without large. anyways, God told us to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. we are to eat of the tree of life. just because there is potential for some things to happen does not mean they should. but God in some way takes responsibility since without him nothing at all is possible.

 

[needhugs]

I understand that God uses evil for good. that's his grace. he turns things to our good, that is why the Holy Spirit is the final salvation and third and last person of the Trinity. but be careful that you don't think God is someone that would torture you until you turn to him. there is a difference in being in union with God and in Gods providence over all.

being in union with God is closer to him. merely having his providence over all makes him order all things in the best way while we still keep whatever kinds of nature fallen or not because they have to remain free or they won't exist. and God orders things in a manner that is always trying to pull and direct all things closer to himself.


just because something is said does not mean it is plain, but faith in God is important.

Heb 5:14 (ESV2011)
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.


God gave us freedom by hollowing out himself which means we can make good or evil, in this way God "made" evil. we are each a little room inside of God and God is not rude to take away what he gave even if he does not like the evils people might torture him with.

Luke 6:45 (ESV2011)
The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

or you could say that we are evil and God made us and yet this is not the same as saying that God raped a 3 year old or that he wants it or loves it or thinks it should exist. p.s. I think Jesus might prefer his death over someone raping a 3 y.o.

Luke 11:13 (ESV2011)
If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

God created conditions that take us away from his divine necessity and beauty, so we have freedom. only God is good, as Jesus said. therefore God can't do evil.

3 John 1:11 (ESV2011)
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.

Rom 3:5-8 (ESV2011)
But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? ( I speak in a human way.) By no means! For then how could God judge the world? But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.

God CREATES evil... the concept, the possibility, etc... God doesn't do evil...

tho in Job, it says God hurts people:
Job 5:18-20 King James Version (KJV)
18 For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.

19 He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.

so if wounding is to be considered evil, then i guess He does, but as Joseph said 'you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.'

God can wound, but only with good in mind... and as i said, if i hadn't been wounded, even up to the kind of wound you asked about... i may not have EVER cried out for God.

THO THAT IS NOT ME SAYING GOD DID THAT TO ME

 

[Noxot]

God CREATES evil... the concept, the possibility, etc... God doesn't do evil...

tho in Job, it says God hurts people:
Job 5:18-20 King James Version (KJV)
18 For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.

19 He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee.

so if wounding is to be considered evil, then i guess He does, but as Joseph said 'you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.'

God can wound, but only with good in mind... and as i said, if i hadn't been wounded, even up to the kind of wound you asked about... i may not have EVER cried out for God.

maybe you could even say that this universe is like a wound. the very way that it is, is devoid of perfection. but there is something right about being weak and nothing. we would be different beings than we are if all we ever knew was pleasure and delights. I don't think I would want to exist if I could not know sorrow.

 

[Noxot]

I believe that everything is for the sake of love.

evil might be bound up with finitude, with mortal weakness.

but it feels special to be like a weak baby chihuahua. I bet God finds us to be quite special, even when we are terrible. i'm sure he would want to heal our wounds if we had them and that he would give us wounds of love that never heal.

 

[needhugs]

maybe you could even say that this universe is like a wound. the very way that it is, is devoid of perfection. but there is something right about being weak and nothing. we would be different beings than we are if all we ever knew was pleasure and delights. I don't think I would want to exist if I could not know sorrow.

yes, my husband is a simple, yet profound man... and i can often get upset about 'evil in the sight of a benevolent God'.... and my husband just says 'how can you know good if you don't know bad?'

it's a process that God is taking us thru... so that we can know good... which means to know HIM.

 

[needhugs]

I believe that everything is for the sake of love.

evil might be bound up with finitude, with mortal weakness.

but it feels special to be like a weak baby chihuahua. I bet God finds us to be quite special, even when we are terrible. i'm sure he would want to heal our wounds if we had them and that he would give us wounds of love that never heal.

my baby chihuahua, her name is Zoe... i still cry sometimes when the pain stabs me like a sword... and it was 3 years ago... that might be a wound like that... i still pray to be in heaven with her, someday. the pain drove me insane, and i was in the hospital yelling at Jesus to bring her back... i even thought to leave Jesus if He didn't... but of course, i couldn't leave Him.

 

[Noxot]

my baby chihuahua, her name is Zoe... i still cry sometimes when the pain stabs me like a sword... and it was 3 years ago... that might be a wound like that... i still pray to be in heaven with her, someday. the pain drove me insane, and i was in the hospital yelling at Jesus to bring her back... i even thought to leave Jesus if He didn't... but of course, i couldn't leave Him.

you must have seen the Lord in zoe

 

[needhugs]

you must have seen the Lord in zoe

she was my gift from God... i can't believe she died... i loved her more than my own life.

 

[FineLinen]

Perfect Rectitude

"Perfect"=

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/perfect

"Rectitude"=

Rectitude - Definition of Rectitude by Webster Dictionary

My friends: This link started just 14 days ago is now reaching 5600 views. I awoke today with the two words described above breaking upon me. I believe "perfect rectitude" describes what our Father means when speaking through the mouths of the prophets of universal restoration, AKA the Restitution of all things. Welcome again to the cry of our hearts met by the Plan of all plans.

"The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free/ emancipated..."

 

[FineLinen]

Beautiful testimony. I've never read any of George Hawtin, other than those many quotes of his, from Preston. George McDonald I read a little of way back when, but mostly I heard of him from another brother who was reading his works. Back then our home church consisted of 'most' of those, who had left our home in western Kansas to trek across the state for a retreat in Arkansas. It was there that we first heard 'one' of the multiple speakers that weekend share 'the real gospel'. I believe I had 'the revelation' of the truth at that moment, in my heart of hearts. But being a 'thinker' I believe I honestly spent my 10 years of researching to convince myself as to how it was possible that 'the church' could have been so deceived. Of course, I did find support for the fact that in those first few centuries, most were not deceived and did believe, as we have come to believe.

Thank you for your post, and the reminder that it still is going to require 'revelation from the Spirit of truth' to those still unable to see/hear. It is truly difficult to loosen one's grip on indoctrination, in order to even hear 'that still small voice' speaking through the 'winds of doctrines' that continue to blow today.

EPH 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

My brother, you have had a wonderful journey. Your trek is yours and as important as the destination in which we find ourselves joined together in love bonds. We had the honour to sit with a little group of calibre individuals a couple of times with George & Rhoda Hawtin. Breakfast began and six hours later was still ongoing. Just a small touch of what we are destined for in the Living Life! What a wonderful journey this is!

 

[Hillsage]

I am quite familiar with the verse in Ephesians. I’m asking if your ‘experience’ lines up with. 1Cor 14:15. Or do you mean something else?