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1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.Continued from post # 1438
Friends: F.L has been engaged on another thread with a fundagelical who also is a KJV ONLY believer. Of course, his favorite & only translation worth the time= you guessed it!
The 14 questions based only on the KJV record have been presented. To date he has responded to 3 of the 14. The responses=
His answers=
Test question #11=
The KJV answer=
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Fundy's answer=
"I will answer question eleven. The amount that are made righteous is as many as that receive his sacrifice and believe on him. We are also told that not all men will receive that sacrifice in faith and belief. These are termed "wicked" and we are told they shall be destroyed body and soul in hell."
Fundys Test results= ZERO
Question #7=
7. To how many does the grace of God abound?
The KJV answer =
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Fundy's answer=
"I will answer question seven. The grace of God abounds to as many will receive his sacrifice and believe on him. We are already told what the end result is of man that will not believe on him, and told that this is our default condition."
Answer= incorrect!
Fundys Test results= ZERO (0)
Questions answered= 11
Questions asked= 14
Answers incorrect= 3
I looked up the word #2097 and found that it is used in only 11 verses of the Gospels out of the 521 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
I looked up the word #2097 and found that it is used in only 11 verses of the Gospels out of the 52
verses it is used in.
YLT}
1 Timothy 1:16
but because of this I found kindness, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all long-suffering, for a pattern of those about to believe on Him to Life age-during<166>
Revelation 14:6
And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, having good-news/evangel <2098> age-during<166> to evangelize<2097> to those dwelling upon the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people.
#2097 1 verse in Matthew and 10 in Luke.
Mathew 11:4
4 And Jesus answering said to them, 'Having gone, declare to John the things that ye hear and see,
5 blind receive sight, and lame walk, lepers are cleansed, and deaf hear, dead are raised, and poor have good-news/evangel<2098> evangelized<2097>,
Luke 4:18
'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He did anoint Me; To evangelize<2097> evangel/good-news<2098> to the poor, Sent me to heal the broken of heart, To herald/proclaim<2784> to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance,
Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
which occurs 61 times in 52 verses
I don,t know why you posted <2098> age-during<166> to evangelize<2097>. I quoted 1 Timothy 1:16 to show you must first believe on Christ before you can obtain to life everlasting: "Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. "I looked up the word #2097 and found that it is used in only 11 verses of the Gospels out of the 52 verses it is used in. {YLT} 1 Timothy 1:16
but because of this I found kindness, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all long-suffering, for a pattern of those about to believe on Him to Life age-during<166>
Revelation 14:6
And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, having good-news/evangel <2098> age-during<166> to evangelize<2097> to those dwelling upon the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people.
Quote Originally Posted by nikolai_42
"I would say I am at least close to the Calvinist mindset on this topic. And I would disagree with this logic (whoever wrote it). Just because God can do something, doesn't mean He will. So just because God can save everyone, it doesn't follow that everyone will be saved."
Dear Nikolai: This is what the Apostle Paul declares is commanded & to be taught>>>
"God is [the] Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe/ trust in Him. Command this & teach this"
You will note:
1. Especially is not the koine monos or monon.
2. The koine for "especially" is malista.
3. God is NOT a potential Saviour. He IS Saviour.
4. The elect= the especially.
5. God IS Saviour of the especially & all mankind.
"God is [the] Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe. Command this & teach this."
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.Questions=
1. As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)
Get your quotes correct:
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
G3122 malista specially Neuter plural of the superlative of an apparently primary adverb μάλα mala (very); (adverb) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly: - chiefly, most of all, (e-) specially.
(ISV) To this end we work hard and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, that is, of those who believe.Dear he-man: the message is clear! The Saviour of all mankind saves to the farthest edge. He is the Saviour of all mankind & He is the Saviour to the highest degree of those who trust in Him/ who believe.
Compare Translations
1 Timothy 4:10 - That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
The day cometh that shall bum as an oven. Fire is one of the most familiar figures of the Divine working. It is one of the forces which man most dreads when it gets beyond control. And it is the force on which man most relies for the purifying of the good and the destruction of the evil. The fire of the oven is fire at its intensest. A hole is dug in the ground, a fire of stubble is kindled in it; by this time a large stone is heated, and on the stone the bread can be baked. Malachi has already dealt with the refining power of the fire of God. That which is good is freed and cleansed and improved by means of it. The prophet does not see the whole of the features of the day of God; only those which are directly related to the condition and needs of the people in his day. Every prophet is one-sided; and we must learn from all if we would apprehend the whole of truth, even concerning the Divine fire. Malachi had to adapt his teachings to some who were sincere but mistaken. To them the Divine fire is disciplinary. "He shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver." But he had also to adapt his teachings to some who were wilfully and persistently wrong. To them the Divine fire is, In some sense, destructive consuming. "The proud shall be stubble, and the day that cometh shall burn them up." There are two things characteristic of the Divine fire, which are suggested by the double figure of refining and consuming.
The Divine Fire
(ISV) To this end we work hard and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, that is, of those who believe.
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