MJ Only The Remaining Sabbath

[ICONO'CLAST]

In this paragraph, the author takes a giant leap from the Holy Sabbath Day given during the creation week to the "temporary" Mosaic Sabbath without one shred of evidence to prove it was temporary. The "Adamic Sabbath" is a 7th day Sabbath, not a first day Sabbath. A true worship experience of the risen Savior will be an Adamic 7th day Sabbath just as a true worship experience with our Creator YHWH was an Adamic 7th day Sabbath throughout the OT and NT. The first day of the week as the day of rest is simply a man made invention. Either that or it is a Satanic substitute for truth.

Matthew 28Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

from A Baptist Catechism with Commentary,by W.R. Downing;
The weekly Sabbath was not the only “Sabbath” that God commanded Israel to observe. There were weekly (Ex. 20:8–11; Deut. 5:12–15), monthly (Numb. 28:11–15; Rom. 14:5–6) and yearly Sabbaths (Ex. 12:1–20, 43–50; Lev. 23:15–44; Numb. 28:16–25; 29:1–40), one observed every seven years (Ex. 23:10–11; Lev. 25:1–7, 18–22; 2 Chron. 36:20–21) and one observed every fifty years (Lev. 25:8–18). Some were purely rest–days, some were feast–days and some were days of corporate worship. To correctly understand the full significance of the weekly Sabbath, one must understand the whole Sabbath–principle commanded by God. The following is a short study on the various “Sabbaths”: The Sabbath–principle of Israel was a principle of rest for man, animals and the land, instituted by God. It looked back to creation and Israel’s deliverance from Egypt, looked to God in covenant–relationship and looked ahead prophetically to the redemption of the whole creation. This principle was also a principle of celebration. Both typically anticipated the redemption– rest in the Lord Jesus Christ and in future glory (Deut. 5:12–15; Rom. 8:18– 23; Heb. 4:1–11; 2 Pet. 3:7–18). To be biblical and consistent, one must make a distinction between the provisional [ceremonial, civil] and the perpetual: The Sabbath [rest and
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worship]–principle is perpetual, as reflected in both God’s creation–rest (Gen. 2:2–3; Ex. 20:11) and the need for man to rest, i.e., “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mk. 2:27). The Sabbath–principle points ahead to the redemptive rest in the Lord Jesus Christ (Deut. 5:12–15; Heb. 4:1–11. Note that Heb. 4:9 literally reads “a Sabbath rest” in the Gk.), and so has a typical significance which will find complete fulfillment in the final redemption of man and the earth, when the Sabbath rest of God and man shall find its ultimate realization (Rom. 8:18–23; 2 Pet. 3:13). What, then, in essence, is the perpetual and ultimate significance of the Sabbath? The Sabbath is described as “the Sabbath of the Lord God,” i.e., his Sabbath and is traced back to his primeval rest of celebration, accomplishment, satisfaction [“all was very good”] and anticipation (Gen. 2:1–3). The national or covenant significance to Israel was both temporary and typological (Ex. 16:25–30; 23:10–12; 31:13–17; Deut. 5:12–15), awaiting its true and full significance among believers within the New or Gospel Covenant (Heb. 4:1–11). Believers are now brought into union with Christ and so rejoice in his finished redemptive work and spiritually “rest” by faith in him. We celebrate our glorious salvation. Note the anticipation of that “[Sabbath–]rest which remaineth for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9). We await our future glorification (Rom. 8:14–23) and the restoration of all creation which, again, will render everything pristine and “very good” in the creation of “new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness” (2 Pet. 3:7–13). With creation ultimately and infallibly restored, and the elect of God finally and fully redeemed, the full and final rest of God will be accomplished. The Sabbath then, ought to be a celebration of our redemption, a delight, a rest, both physical and spiritual and an anticipation of that glory which is to come. Such thoughts ought to sanctify and make the Lord’s Day a delight. While it is true that in neither the Old or New Testaments did God explicitly change the weekly Sabbath from the seventh to the first day, since the resurrection of our Lord, Christians have met on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1; Acts 2:1ff; 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Rev. 1:10). It was our Lord’s resurrection–day, the Day of Pentecost, which marked out the New Testament church as God’s ordained institution for this Gospel economy by the empowering of the Spirit; and anticipates the full and final restoration of all things, of which his resurrection was but the first declaration. The first day (traditionally “Sunday”) thus distinguishes Christian worship from Jewish worship. This was the inspired apostolic practice throughout the New Testament. Thus, observing the first day of the week as the Lord’s Day is not merely traditional; it is implicitly and explicitly biblical (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). Have you found that promised rest in the Lord Jesus? Do you find the Lord’s Day a delight? Do you take time to anticipate and rejoice in the coming Sabbath of creation?

 

[mishkan]

Why didn't the writer of Hebrews mention the commandment of the Sabbath if this was what he was referring to?

I would say because that wasn't the point he wanted to make.

Shabbat exists independently of human participation. The author's goal was to encourage his readers to persevere, awaiting the future time when Hashem would "make it all Sabbath". He wasn't exhorting them to "keep" Shabbat—he was encouraging them to patiently wait for the time when Shabbat would "keep" them in its loving arms.

Hebrews is nothing but one midrash after another. In this partucular section, the author depicts Shabbat as the framework upon which history "rests". Shabbat was there at the Creation, at the Exodus, in David's time, and will ultimately be there to consummate history at its conclusion.

Introducing a command for humans to keep Shabbat would have simply been inappropriate to the purpose of the narrative.

'apoleipó'---the word translated 'remains' actually means 'left behind' or deserted, abandon

Precisely. He is picturing Shabbat as a reward, the ultimate conclusion of all things. It yet remains "on the table" as we might say today. When time is concluded, we will all experience rest from our labors.

The reason I am looking into this is because elsewhere on the forums this is being used to debate the 4th commandment and that we are 'free' from that (which we aren't) and I don't think it means what they think it means.

That explains a lot.

 

[chunkofcoal]

The focus in that passage isn't the Sabbath, it is the "rest". The 'rest' in psalm 95 is "menuchah." Also here, for example:
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Or "menuchah" is here for example:
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

 

[mishkan]

The focus in that passage isn't the Sabbath, it is the "rest". The 'rest' in psalm 95 is "menuchah." Also here, for example:
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Or "menuchah" is here for example:
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

I get what you're saying, but you are inserting your own perspective inti the carefully crafted midrash, rather than doing the hard work of discerning the author's intent.

The author of Hebrews already selected the instances he wanted, and he didn't include Isaiah. He made King David his interpretive key, not the prophets of exile.

 

[chunkofcoal]

Hebrews 4:11 talks about laboring to enter into that rest. It is not something we automatically receive upon accepting Yeshua as our Savior except by faith. That rest will become a reality upon our resurrection unto eternal life. That is why we see the saints of Revelation 14:12-13 laboring right up until death. It is only after death that the ultimate rest can literally begin. Note, also, that those saints "keep the commandments of God" (KJV), among which is the Sabbath.

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I think it is interesting that Rev. 14:13 says blessed are the dead which die in the Lord
I just noticed that when I was reading your post.

 

[Dave-W]

because phariacies wanted to stone Jesus for doing miracles on sabbath because it was "against law ".

Which actually tells us something about that group of Pharisees: they were from the Shammai school rather than Hillel's.

Hillel did not consider practicing medicine to be "work" that was prohibited on the Sabbath.

 

[Dave-W]

The Pharisees made laws that no one could live by.

No , law was not made by phrariacies but was given by God to Moses ,

God gave the Law to Moses who transmitted it to the rest of us. But the Pharisees took that law and added a LOT of extensions and turned it into an unwieldy mess.

 

[gadar perets]

The Sabbath–principle points ahead to the redemptive rest in the Lord Jesus Christ (Deut. 5:12–15; Heb. 4:1–11. Note that Heb. 4:9 literally reads “a Sabbath rest” in the Gk.), and so has a typical significance which will find complete fulfillment in the final redemption of man and the earth, when the Sabbath rest of God and man shall find its ultimate realization (Rom. 8:18–23; 2 Pet. 3:13).

Correct - "the redemptive rest in the Lord Jesus Christ", but the physical rest has not been realized yet. Men, animals and land still need that physical rest.

Believers are now brought into union with Christ and so rejoice in his finished redemptive work and spiritually “rest” by faith in him.

Correct - we "spiritually" rest by faith, but we do not physically rest by faith. Only the Sabbath, wherein our Creator put His blessing, can provide that physical rest.

We await our future glorification (Rom. 8:14–23) and the restoration of all creation which, again, will render everything pristine and “very good” in the creation of “new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness” (2 Pet. 3:7–13). With creation ultimately and infallibly restored, and the elect of God finally and fully redeemed, the full and final rest of God will be accomplished.

Correct - The Sabbath will see its ultimate fulfillment in the new heavens and new earth. Therefore, it cannot be abolished before its fulfillment comes.

The Sabbath then, ought to be a celebration of our redemption, a delight, a rest, both physical and spiritual and an anticipation of that glory which is to come. Such thoughts ought to sanctify and make the Lord’s Day a delight.

Amein to the first sentence, but thumbs down to the second sentence. Again, the author leaps from the blessedness of the 7th day Sabbath to changing it to the "Lord's Day".

While it is true that in neither the Old or New Testaments did God explicitly change the weekly Sabbath from the seventh to the first day, since the resurrection of our Lord, Christians have met on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1; Acts 2:1ff; 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Rev. 1:10). It was our Lord’s resurrection–day, the Day of Pentecost, which marked out the New Testament church as God’s ordained institution for this Gospel economy by the empowering of the Spirit; and anticipates the full and final restoration of all things, of which his resurrection was but the first declaration.

The believers met every day of the week for fellowship, breaking bread, etc. (Acts 2:46). We are never told they met on the first day because they were keeping the Sabbath holy or because they were resting from their labors.

Yeshua resurrected on the first day, not because "Sunday" was anything special, but because that was the day the wave sheaf offering (firstfruits) of Leviticus 23:10-11 was to take place. The ceremony foreshadowed the resurrection and ascension of our Savior.

The first day (traditionally “Sunday”) thus distinguishes Christian worship from Jewish worship.

The author is correct in his use of "traditionally". A Sunday sabbath is a tradition of men, not a command of YHWH. Sadly, it is a tradition that causes men to break YHWH's commandments.

This was the inspired apostolic practice throughout the New Testament. Thus, observing the first day of the week as the Lord’s Day is not merely traditional; it is implicitly and explicitly biblical (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2).

Acts 20:7 - What does it mean to "break bread"? Does it mean to take "the Lord's supper" on Sunday? According to Acts 2:42-46, "breaking bread" was done daily. It simply means to have a meal. In Acts 20:7, the disciples finished Sabbath services on Saturday. After the sun set ending Sabbath and beginning the first day of the week, they had a meal together followed by Paul's preaching until midnight Sunday (our Saturday night). The disciples held this special gathering because their beloved Paul was to leave the next morning (vs. 7). In the morning, he had planned to walk approx. 10 miles to Assos. Notice he would not take this strenuous, tiring trip on Sabbath, but waited instead until Sunday, another work day.

1 Corinthians 16:2 - Does this refer to collecting offerings during a Sunday service? No. If you check Acts 11:27-30 & Romans 15:25-28 you will see that there was a great famine that especially caused hardship for the brethren in Judea and Jerusalem. Paul requested offerings from the Galatian, Corinthian, Macedonian, and Achaian brethren. He told them to gather the goods (food, clothing, etc.) prior to his arrival. He did not want to have to wait for the offerings to be gathered when he came. He then took all the relief items to Jerusalem to disperse to the needy saints. There is nothing in these verses to indicate a typical Sunday collection. It was a one time special collection because of the famine. And it was done on Sunday because of the tremendous amount of work involved in loading all the goods, something they would never have done on Sabbath.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

There would be no need to speak of the first day if it was not set apart for new redemption rest.
Christians are not remembering creation rest, or the first Exodus redemption, but rather new creation rest, and the new Exodus in Jesus.

 

[gadar perets]

There would be no need to speak of the first day if it was not set apart for new redemption rest.

If it was set apart, the Almighty would have told us so and He would have told us to keep it holy. If it is set apart, then the majority of Christianity treats it as a common day. Other than going to church, its just like any other day. It certainly was not blessed by the Creator as is the 7th day Sabbath. The only reason it was mentioned was to provide a time factor for the resurrection and other events. It was never recorded as a new Sabbath day.

You keep emphasizing the spiritual aspects of the "new" Sabbath, but you fail to address the aspect of a physical rest that the 7th day Sabbath provides. Does man no longer need that physical rest after a hard weeks work? Perhaps you do not have a physically exerting job and can't relate to needing rest. Your view of the Sabbath not only robs man of his rest, but animals and land as well. Is it OK for a farmer to work his animals and field hands 7 days a week? No.

Christians are not remembering creation rest, or the first Exodus redemption, but rather new creation rest, and the new Exodus in Jesus.

That's the problem. YHWH said to "remember" the Sabbath day, but Christians try their best to put it out of their minds. The "new creation rest" has not come yet as the articles you posted explained. It will come in the new heavens and new earth. Therefore, until it does come to fulfill the shadow of the 7th day Sabbath, the shadow remains. Passover is a memorial of the old exodus as well as the new exodus in Yeshua. Sadly, Christians don't keep Passover either.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

If it was set apart, the Almighty would have told us so and He would have told us to keep it holy. If it is set apart, then the majority of Christianity treats it as a common day. Other than going to church, its just like any other day. It certainly was not blessed by the Creator as is the 7th day Sabbath. The only reason it was mentioned was to provide a time factor for the resurrection and other events. It was never recorded as a new Sabbath day.

You keep emphasizing the spiritual aspects of the "new" Sabbath, but you fail to address the aspect of a physical rest that the 7th day Sabbath provides. Does man no longer need that physical rest after a hard weeks work? Perhaps you do not have a physically exerting job and can't relate to needing rest. Your view of the Sabbath not only robs man of his rest, but animals and land as well. Is it OK for a farmer to work his animals and field hands 7 days a week? No.


That's the problem. YHWH said to "remember" the Sabbath day, but Christians try their best to put it out of their minds. The "new creation rest" has not come yet as the articles you posted explained. It will come in the new heavens and new earth. Therefore, until it does come to fulfill the shadow of the 7th day Sabbath, the shadow remains. Passover is a memorial of the old exodus as well as the new exodus in Yeshua. Sadly, Christians don't keep Passover either.

We do not keep the OT.passover;
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

I was not in bondage in Egypt...neither were you...
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

We do not go back to types and shadows, Now that the reality is come.
The Nt. does not direct us to be OT.saints....it moves forward...The Church is the Holy Nation now....
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

 

[gadar perets]

We do not keep the OT.passover;
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

What about the rest of the verse?

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I was not in bondage in Egypt...neither were you..

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We were both in bondage to sin and now we are making our exodus out of it and to the promised land. Passover looks back at that deliverance, looks at the present as Yeshua leads us through our wilderness journey, and looks forward to when we will be raised from the dead because his shed blood was applied to the doorposts of our hearts.

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings,

and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

In context, the "carnal ordinances" refer to ordinances relating to the temple system.

We do not go back to types and shadows, Now that the reality is come.

The full reality of the Sabbath, Yom Teruah, Yom Kippurim, and Sukkot have not come yet. Why did you quote those articles you posted if you don't believe them? Paul made it quite clear that the Sabbath and Feasts were unfulfilled shadows in his day.

Colossians 2:17 Which are (not "were") a shadow of things to come (not "that came"); but the body of Christ.

The Nt. does not direct us to be OT.saints....it moves forward...The Church is the Holy Nation now....

I agree. We are moving forward to the fulfillment of the Sabbath and Feasts as well as everything else Yeshua has for us.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

This has nothing to do with the Sabbath or Feasts which cannot be removed until they are totally fulfilled. Neither can Torah be removed since it is now written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Jeremiah 31:33).

 

[Lulav]

Just a reminder.
This is the Messianic Judaism Forum

We do believe in all 10 Commandments
We also believe in keeping Passover
as both Yeshua and his disciples did.
Those who aren't MJ are not allowed to
debate this here. ​

 

[pat34lee]

To sum this up: I don't think He cares what day you give to him, just make sure you do it because it feeds the Spirit.

So, just give him whatever junk you don't need and what time you can spare.
He's only God, after all.
It's not as if he gave us an instruction book to tell us what he wants.

 

[pat34lee]

We do not keep the OT.passover;

I suggest you study some messianic teachings, because the
church teachings on the feasts are totally wrong.
If we are God's, we are commanded to keep HIS feasts.

I suggest starting here:
Hebraic Heritage Ministries International
A study on the the Passover

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Just a reminder.
This is the Messianic Judaism Forum

We do believe in all 10 Commandments
We also believe in keeping Passover
as both Yeshua and his disciples did.
Those who aren't MJ are not allowed to
debate this here. ​

Opps....did not know it was a different forum,my bad....

 

[RGW00]

So, just give him whatever junk you don't need and what time you can spare.
He's only God, after all.
It's not as if he gave us an instruction book to tell us what he wants.

You took what I said completely out of context. I am saying He doesn't have a particular day He wants you to give to Him, just as long as you give time to him, meaning any day. One day is better than none. And whatever time you can spare helps, it's better than what a lot of people in this world do today.

 

[Dave-W]

You took what I said completely out of context. I am saying He doesn't have a particular day He wants you to give to Him,

You would be very hard pressed to prove that from scripture.

 

[RGW00]

You would be very hard pressed to prove that from scripture.

Well, answer this question. Do you think God would want someone to follow Him on a certain day, let's say Sunday because that is the day we go to church, or a little each day?

 

[Dave-W]

Well, answer this question. Do you think God would want someone to follow Him on a certain day, let's say Sunday because that is the day we go to church, or a little each day?

Go read Lev. 23. God set up certain days where He said "Meet Me." The Hebrew word used there for "feasts" is moedim - lit. "appointed times." God made the appointments. If we show up on some other day He may or may not be there.

FYI - this is the Messianic folder and most of us do NOT "go to church" on Sunday. We attend on Saturday. And that is the FIRST moed listed in Lev 23.