The reason for homosexuality

[ReformedChapin]

me... you... I found resources on CNN. That is reliable.

You are not the ideal person to have a logical, rational debate.

CNN is not a reliable source..it's a liberal news outlet.

And I don't care what you think about me, your sources of information show how much you know about logic.

 

[soulfinder]

Please don't neglect asking the Lord because of your own understanding of the bible.

The bible was meant to lead us to Him, not eliminate our need for or relationship to Him.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Please don't neglect asking the Lord because of your own understanding of the bible.

The bible was meant to lead us to Him, not eliminate our need for or relationship to Him.

duh?

 

[faithfulmark]

CNN is not a reliable source..it's a liberal news outlet. And I don't care what you think about me, your sources of information show how much you know about logic.

Ya, your right. CNN payed actors to give testimonies and falsified all this information. For what reason, I don't know. But the fact is, they did. Right?

Let this be a testimony to the power of Ego. Ego will never allow itself to lose. It will defend it's self in all ways. What we need is the virtue of Humility that Jesus showed in his life. Humility is acceptance. Acceptance is an act of a grown soul. A defensive ego is a trait of an irrational immature soul.

God Bless...

 

[David85335]

UberLutheran:
Very Interesting.
And Congratulations on 17 years in a committed relationship.

I lived in Homosexuality for 25+ years.
it was alway's about one night stands and selfish lusts.
I see many posts from gay men in relationships that are alway's on the look-out for play partners.
So if your in a monogamous loving relationship, where both of you truely love one another, then God Bless You.

But for me, it alway's felt like SIN!
I alway's felt Dirty.
Maybe I have issues or maybe I was never really gay?

Im 42 now and gave my life to christ.
Im torn apart by this whole gay/ anti-gay issue.
I could love a woman, be in a relationship with one and be faithful.
But why does the idea of Sex without love with a group of men still arouse me????
I don't want to marry a man or have a loving relationship with one.
the idea is kind of gross to me.
Im pretty messed up, I want the love of a good woman, to be faithful to her.
never cheat on her with another woman.
But, I get these desires to have sleazy relationships with a large group of men????
God tells me its a sin. through his word the bible and the holy ghost makes me feel like its a sin, by giving me great shame and guilt.
I hope I can work this out.
Currently Im not acting out on the sinful temptations.
I did at one time, but am fighting it off.

 

[BAFRIEND]

There is a reason for unnatural desire, and it is clearly explained in the bible.

[BIBLE]Romans 1: 18-32

God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.[/BIBLE]

Homosexuality is not the wrath of God.

There are some people through no wrong of their own who suffer from same sex attraction. Some because fo a mis-understanding when they were young and when the door is opened it is almost impossible to close... some, a small percentage for a biological reason, others because they choose to be so.

The attraction itself is a Cross to bear and the suffering and pain is great. But to stay above it is a great feat. I am not saying it can be conquered, maybe a few lucky can, but God gives the strength in each of us to stand against sin if we use His strength.

Choosing the gay lifestyle, that would be invoking the wrath of God that results in eternity in hell. Not because God does not love a person with a homosexual orientation every bit as much as he loves me, but because the homosexual was defeated by the un-natural. If I choose to live a sinful lifestyle, then I am also defeated and suffer the same punishment.

 

[soulfinder]

newguy, I am your fellow christian. I really didn't mean to cause a conflict. Hopefully we can be friends.

I really want to come to you as a friend and humbly show you that your actions do not reflect our Lord. You've insulted me.

If there is anything I can do to resolve this, please let me know.

In Christ,
Soulfinder Ev.

 

[faithfulmark]

You...

So the point is...

me...

I believe that homosexual study on twins is conclusive enough.

Well here is the thing. This is a discussion. Between two loving people. Yet there seems to be arguing. There can only be one conclusion. Deep ingrained into someones subconscious, someone is either trying to...

a) defend something by all means b) prove someone wrong

After reading the results and studies, and first hand acounts of homosexuals and there life, I have came to an unbiased conclusion that they are born gay, and we should Love them with all of our heart. Just like OUR NEIGHBOR (cetch my drift?). If Homosexuality was such a big problem, why wouldn't Jesus said something about it? He said nothing on the matter. He only said to "Love your neighbor as thyself." Lets not tell gays they are going to hell so they won't kill themselves or feel depressed.

Quote: If the true god is the God of the bible, he will help them with all of their struggles. It is his promise.

The Catholic Church has created a system to help gays with their "evil problem." They established a group of gays, that would live together, and help with there gender identification. Think about this. Almost EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has came out of the program is still convinced with absolute certainty that there is no cure. If a scientists aproachs him with proof it can be cured (hasn't happened), they gays will still say "no way, there is no cure, bottom line."

How is God helping them? They have spent literally years trying, but to no avail. Maybe God isn't helping because he SUPPORTS gays.

God is NOT helping the people who are praying, repenting, and doing therapies to "cure" homosexuality.

I provided reliable resource to show that people who really are trying, are killing themselves.

Some God...

 

[faithfulmark]

newguy, I am your fellow christian. I really didn't mean to cause a conflict. Hopefully we can be friends. I really want to come to you as a friend and humbly show you that your actions do not reflect our Lord. You've insulted me. If there is anything I can do to resolve this, please let me know. In Christ, Soulfinder Ev.

That created a warmth in my heart. God bless you... Thanks for the Gift.

 

[David85335]

johnchapter14:
Great, Now I can't get that song out of my head.
Take me home country roads "West Virginia"
hahahaha

 

[soulfinder]

You're welcome.

God commanded us to love one another, and I do. Not out of obligation, but from the heart.

Love comes from the Spirit of God. Praise God!

 

[faithfulmark]

Would you tell a Pagan the he/she is immoral and will burn in Hell for eternity?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

newguy, I am your fellow christian. I really didn't mean to cause a conflict. Hopefully we can be friends.

I really want to come to you as a friend and humbly show you that your actions do not reflect our Lord. You've insulted me.

If there is anything I can do to resolve this, please let me know.

In Christ,
Soulfinder Ev.

Silence speaks volumes. Just a piece of advice. I have spoken here with people who have disagreed with me, but tried to be friends with them, never the less. But I have learrned that some will pretend they are your friends in life, others will never be your friend. But anyone who shuns you because of ideology has other more present and pressing issues that need to be dealt with.

 

[soulfinder]

Please, I really do care for my brother. Perhaps we should give him the benifit of the doubt.

Perhaps he has logged off, or is away from his computer.

As far as pagans go, Jesus said that those who believe in Him would have everlasting life.

Those who do not will be condemned.

Please note that God did not send Jesus to condemn the world.

John 3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[faithfulmark]

By condemning Pagans, you do not "Love your neighbor as thyself."
That is the most important commandment Jesus gave. Also "Love God with all your mind and heart."

 

[soulfinder]

I do not condemn them.

They are condemned if thet do not believe in our Lord.

I know that my last post looked bad, but I didn't mean to say that I condemn them. I only meant to quote what the Lord said.

 

[ReformedChapin]

newguy, I am your fellow christian. I really didn't mean to cause a conflict. Hopefully we can be friends.

I really want to come to you as a friend and humbly show you that your actions do not reflect our Lord. You've insulted me.

If there is anything I can do to resolve this, please let me know.

In Christ,
Soulfinder Ev.

We can be friends, however YOUR actions don't reflect our Lord. Our Lord who commanded repentance, something that HOMOSEXUALs don't do.

And as I stated the way the facts are presented DO matter, CNN has been accused of being biased. Hence the term"liberal biase."

 

[ReformedChapin]

I do not condemn them.

They are condemned if thet do not believe in our Lord.

I know that my last post looked bad, but I didn't mean to say that I condemn them. I only meant to quote what the Lord said.

Same applies to unrepentant homosexuals.

 

[soulfinder]

Whoa, hang on. Please don't get me wroung I'm not a homosexual.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Whoa, hang on. Please don't get me wroung I'm not a homosexual.

I was talking about your position on homosexuality. I never stated that you were a homosexual.