The reason for homosexuality

[UberLutheran]

Oh please, I can make up a fake citation post up and make you look for it and never find it. You have no proof without the actual study to be reviewed.

As I said, I posted the exact citation for you. You can either:

1) look it up on the internet using a search engine such as Google, Yahoo, Ask, etc.
2) go to the public library and look it up there.

To reiterate: I'm not going to do your homework for you.

 

[ReformedChapin]

As I said, I posted the exact citation for you. You can either:

1) look it up on the internet using a search engine such as Google, Yahoo, Ask, etc.
2) go to the public library and look it up there.

To reiterate: I'm not going to do your homework for you.

I reiterate: You have nothing until you provide the study. A title and some pages does not constitude as a source.

 

[Jameskind]

Seems like those who are in sin get a little defensive when challenged about what they believe. Ya I have a few years behind me and I too have lived in the sin of homosexuality. I have spent a long time talking to men and trying to figure out just why this is such a painful area of mens life. I know men who are recovered alcoholics also who spent years asking themself why they hurt for 15, 18 or more years. God does not make one to be homosexual or a alcoholic. There is a enemy in the world and his name is Satan. He knows your family history, weaknesses, and propensity of how you will act based on your lifes experiences. Satan seeks to destroy lives. He certainly knows that this is a very successful attack on mens lives because the church sits virtually silent on sexual sin. I understand that men have needs in their life and will seek ways to fill those needs. I too had a need that I tried to meet and did so in a illigitament way. I know so many men who still live in a gay lifestyle and man are they miserable. On the outside they put up a good facade but on the inside they still hurt. Most of them I feel have reinforced the gay is ok said over and over so many times in their head that is the only way they can believe it. Some get very hostile with me and defensive. Sure is funny though how they still consider me their friend and care about me. Ya I love them too just as Christ does and pray that someday they can break free just as I did and find real peace and joy that surpasses all understanding. I would ask anyone who does not agree with me one question. If what you believed was not true wouldn't you want to know it?

 

[faithfulmark]

I believe that homosexual study on twins is conclusive enough.

Well here is the thing. This is a discussion. Between two loving people. Yet there seems to be arguing. There can only be one conclusion. Deep ingrained into someones subconscious, someone is either trying to...

a) defend something by all means b) prove someone wrong

After reading the results and studies, and first hand acounts of homosexuals and there life, I have came to an unbiased conclusion that they are born gay, and we should Love them with all of our heart. Just like OUR NEIGHBOR (cetch my drift?). If Homosexuality was such a big problem, why wouldn't Jesus said something about it? He said nothing on the matter. He only said to "Love your neighbor as thyself." Lets not tell gays they are going to hell so they won't kill themselves or feel depressed.

If the true god is the God of the bible, he will help them with all of their struggles. It is his promise.

The Catholic Church has created a system to help gays with their "evil problem." They established a group of gays, that would live together, and help with there gender identification. Think about this. Almost EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has came out of the program is still convinced with absolute certainty that there is no cure. If a scientists aproachs him with proof it can be cured (hasn't happened), they gays will still say "no way, there is no cure, bottom line."

How is God helping them? They have spent literally years trying, but to no avail. Maybe God isn't helping because he SUPPORTS gays.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Seems like those who are in sin get a little defensive when challenged about what they believe. Ya I have a few years behind me and I too have lived in the sin of homosexuality. I have spent a long time talking to men and trying to figure out just why this is such a painful area of mens life. I know men who are recovered alcoholics also who spent years asking themself why they hurt for 15, 18 or more years. God does not make one to be homosexual or a alcoholic. There is a enemy in the world and his name is Satan. He knows your family history, weaknesses, and propensity of how you will act based on your lifes experiences. Satan seeks to destroy lives. He certainly knows that this is a very successful attack on mens lives because the church sits virtually silent on sexual sin. I understand that men have needs in their life and will seek ways to fill those needs. I too had a need that I tried to meet and did so in a illigitament way. I know so many men who still live in a gay lifestyle and man are they miserable. On the outside they put up a good facade but on the inside they still hurt. Most of them I feel have reinforced the gay is ok said over and over so many times in their head that is the only way they can believe it. Some get very hostile with me and defensive. Sure is funny though how they still consider me their friend and care about me. Ya I love them too just as Christ does and pray that someday they can break free just as I did and find real peace and joy that surpasses all understanding. I would ask anyone who does not agree with me one question. If what you believed was not true wouldn't you want to know it?

We need more people like you who are honest about their past life and are redeemed by Christ.

 

[Time4AChange]

Seems like those who are in sin get a little defensive when challenged about what they believe. Ya I have a few years behind me and I too have lived in the sin of homosexuality. I have spent a long time talking to men and trying to figure out just why this is such a painful area of mens life. I know men who are recovered alcoholics also who spent years asking themself why they hurt for 15, 18 or more years. God does not make one to be homosexual or a alcoholic. There is a enemy in the world and his name is Satan. He knows your family history, weaknesses, and propensity of how you will act based on your lifes experiences. Satan seeks to destroy lives. He certainly knows that this is a very successful attack on mens lives because the church sits virtually silent on sexual sin. I understand that men have needs in their life and will seek ways to fill those needs. I too had a need that I tried to meet and did so in a illigitament way. I know so many men who still live in a gay lifestyle and man are they miserable. On the outside they put up a good facade but on the inside they still hurt. Most of them I feel have reinforced the gay is ok said over and over so many times in their head that is the only way they can believe it. Some get very hostile with me and defensive. Sure is funny though how they still consider me their friend and care about me. Ya I love them too just as Christ does and pray that someday they can break free just as I did and find real peace and joy that surpasses all understanding. I would ask anyone who does not agree with me one question. If what you believed was not true wouldn't you want to know it?

I was seriously blessed by your post, thank you so much.

I thank the Lord for your willingness to not only seek, but accept the truth, and change....if as sinners we would just awknowledge and confess our sin like you did, and repent...then i think that there'd be a lot more testimonies like yours.

With God all things are truly possible....Greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world

You overcoming homosexuality is proof that those Scriptures are real. Despite what anyone says, it is possible to change. We just need to hate our sins, before God can change us. Not alot of us hate our sins, yet we question why there is no change.

 

[soulfinder]

Has anyone ever asked Jesus Himself what He thinks about these things?

We all claim to know Jesus, why not just ask Him?

 

[ReformedChapin]

Has anyone ever asked Jesus Himself what He thinks about these things?

We all claim to know Jesus, why not just ask Him?

The bible is more than clear...so I'm pretty sure what Jesus would say.

 

[faithfulmark]

You overcoming homosexuality is proof that those Scriptures are real. Despite what anyone says, it is possible to change. We just need to hate our sins, before God can change us. Not alot of us hate our sins, yet we question why there is no change.

You may be consciously aknownledging what us gay-supporter are saying, but you are sub-consciously throwing them out of your brain. Listen to what I say. PEOPLE KILL THEIR SELVES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT QUIT! They have tried for years, praying, repenting, EVERYTHING! They cannot quite. Bottom line. Accept it. There are def people who can overcome, but this does not account for everyone. You must understand this.

 

[ReformedChapin]

You may be consciously aknownledging what us gay-supporter are saying, but you are sub-consciously throwing them out of your brain. Listen to what I say. PEOPLE KILL THEIR SELVES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT QUIT! They have tried for years, praying, repenting, EVERYTHING! They cannot quite. Bottom line. Accept it. There are def people who can overcome, but this does not account for everyone. You must understand this.

Can you provide us with a reliable source to confirm your statement?

 

[faithfulmark]

On CNN's series "What is a Christian?", the issue is addressed. The interviewed many gays and heard their testimonies.

I'm going to search the CNN database, one sec...

 

[ReformedChapin]

On CNN's series "What is a Christian?", the issue is addressed. The interviewed many gays and heard their testimonies.

I'm going to search the CNN database, one sec...

I didn't know CNN defined orthodoxy...

 

[faithfulmark]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_suic.htm

I'm still looking for the CNN interview.

 

[ReformedChapin]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_suic.htm

I'm still looking for the CNN interview.

Can you post an anymore liberal website?

Yes that was sarcasm.

 

[faithfulmark]

didn't klnow CNN defined orthodoxy...

What kind of statement is that? Was it productive? Was it carelessly thought of produced on impulse (subconsciously)? Well guess what, CNN DID do it, so I guess they did. Maybe we should quite the smart remarks and discuss this like men.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/29/applewhite/index.html?eref=sitesearch

 

[ReformedChapin]

What kind of statement is that? Was it productive? Was it carelessly thought of produced on impulse (subconsciously)? Well guess what, CNN DID do it, so I guess they did. Maybe we should quite the smart remarks and discuss this like men.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/29/applewhite/index.html?eref=sitesearch

I'm trying to figure out what's the point of your post. Why does it matter what they say?

 

[faithfulmark]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/16/untold.stories/index.html

Gay Conversion Watch the program: Part 1 Video | Part 2 Video

To some Christian groups in the United States homosexuality is not only a sin, it's a mental disorder. As such, they feel it can be cured. More than 100 camps have been set up to administer "re-orientation therapy" with the intention of turning gay people straight. The programs are big business and highly controversial. Those running the camps say they have a 30 percent success rate. Opponents believe re-orientation therapy is dangerous, sometimes leading to attempted suicide by those who feel that they have failed God.

 

[faithfulmark]

me...

You may be consciously aknownledging what us gay-supporter are saying, but you are sub-consciously throwing them out of your brain. Listen to what I say. PEOPLE KILL THEIR SELVES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT QUIT! They have tried for years, praying, repenting, EVERYTHING! They cannot quite. Bottom line. Accept it. There are def people who can overcome, but this does not account for everyone. You must understand this.

you...

Can you provide us with a reliable source to confirm your statement?

I found resources on CNN. That is reliable.

You are not the ideal person to have a logical, rational debate.

 

[ReformedChapin]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/16/untold.stories/index.html

Gay Conversion Watch the program: Part 1 Video | Part 2 Video

So the point is...

 

[faithfulmark]

I'm trying to figure out what's the point of your post. Why does it matter what they say?

Don't ask me for a reliable source, then tell me "who cares what they say."

I am done with this debate. It is clear that this will never go anywhere.