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Wrong. We deny the monophysite doctrine of transubstantiation.
You don't even know what a monophysite is, obviously.
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Wrong. We deny the monophysite doctrine of transubstantiation.
The early Christians strongly denied that they were eating and drinking the actual, real, human flesh and blood of Jesus.
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This new creation is spiritual. Their mind changes. The bread is just physical. It doesn't have a spirit.
You'll see a change when the body, just like the spirit, will become something new. Then you'll see that the body changes in appearance.
You don't become a new creation bodily or physically, but spiritually, in the mind. The mind doesn't have a form or appearance, so what change are you expecting to see? But when the body changes in the manner of the spirit then, since the body can be seen (the spirit cannot) then you'll see the changes in appearance. What changes we see we see in the fruits.
The spirit, which is the one recreated at the moment and not the body, is like the wind. You cannot see it but you see it's actions and consequences. If the wind would change, would you see the change? No. You would feel the change or at least see what it does to realize it changes. So is with the spirit. It is recreated, but it cannot be seen, so what changes are you expecting to see? Certainly not of appearance since obviously it cannot be seen. You'll see changes in it's fruits.
But the body can be seen and when it will become new then you'll see a big change in its appearance. I hope I explained it well. Because we don't become new creations physically, but spiritually. Our spirits cannot be seen. Bread doesn't have a spirit. So it cannot be changed spiritually.
Hmmm....me neitherYou don't even know what a monophysite is, obviously.
Like the gnostics, you deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
You don't even know what a monophysite is, obviously.
I see we are on the Magic Roundabout again .
The gnostics did not believe that Christ came in the flesh. That's anti-christ. I believe Jesus Christ did come in the flesh.
Eucharist is thanksgiving only. To say otherwise is Arian or polytheism, believing that there was a time when Christ was not and then exists as bread.
26 Therefore if they say to you, Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He is in the inner rooms! do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
False.
"For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh." Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165).
"[T]he bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood..." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18,4 (c. A.D. 200).
"He acknowledged the cup (which is a part of the creation) as his own blood, from which he bedews our blood; and the bread (also a part of creation) he affirmed to be his own body, from which he gives increase to our bodies." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:2,2 (c. A.D. 200).
"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).
Can ya really blame them thoGeee, there is nothing there that says the bread and wine are changed into the actual, real, physical human flesh and blood of Jesus.
I'm afraid that you are seeing things that do not exist there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
A roundabout is a type of circular junction in which road traffic must travel in one direction around a central island. Signs usua
lly direct traffic entering the circle to slow down and give the right of way to drivers already in the circle.[1]
With God, anything is possibleCan you imagine anyone on this thread giving way ? Such an occurence would truly be magical .
How could there be Christians around before Christ cameYes but I think Jesus forgot that there were going to be Christians around when he said that .
I do not see how we can turn this into a predestination discussion though...Furthermore I cannot see the connection here either.Oh? What happened in the intervening period between God's dealing with Balaam and the commands he issued through God the Son?
Numbers 22:20-22
20God came to Balaam at night and said to him, "If the men have come to call you, rise up and go with them; but only the word which I speak to you shall you do." 21So Balaam arose in the morning, and saddled his donkey and went with the leaders of Moab. 22But God was angry because he was going, and the angel of the LORD took his stand in the way as an adversary against him