The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

[justsurfing]

Yes, Revelations is as much a relevant a book of scripture now as in anytime in history. Indeed, the text of Revelations is a warning to Christians of events that have already transpired and those to come so that we may sanctify ourselves and prepare for Christ Return. That we are agreed, my point of contention is interpreting Revelations as it was intended rather than being caught up in current events so much that we in error transform Revelations as to meet our own world view.

I appreciate the initial concern. However, I can testify that that is not the case. I have been reading the Bible cover to cover since childhood. I have had in the past, honestly, no personal interest in the apocalypse. People tried to interest me, and I had no interest. Personally, I study grace. That's "my field". I saw no reason to study eschatology. However, the Holy Spirit Himself began to prompt me in my personal prayer.

Sincerely, I am not one of these people who watches Jack Van Impe, I've never read "The Left Behind Series", and I don't even read any works on eschatology.

Furthermore, I am a person who for most of my life has refused to read the newspaper or watch tv. I read the Bible and pray. The Holy Spirit, in my prayer closet, directed me to look at current events and let me know the beast was rising. That's a personal testimony. So, THEN, I started to watch. What I am seeing is enlivened, to me, by the Holy Spirit I personally testify of personal conviction. So, now, I'm going to watch and pray.

John's Revelation is meant for all Christians, for all periods of time, from the day his Revelation was made known to the world, to the day of Christ return. While 2nd century Christians may not have been able to know all the various details of the prophetic message of Revelations, these early Christians would have a good understanding of its true intent. While many people today struggle understanding the symbolism of Revelations, for a Second Century Christian familiar with other genres of prophetic writing, the mean would be clear. It is a matter for Christians today to respect the history of the early church and seek to understand the original intent of Revelations.

As you see above, I don't much read "outside works". I don't watch television. I don't read the paper. I don't even listen to music. I commune and fellowship with the Holy Spirit, read the Bible, and pray. I have lead a pretty highly "separated" prayer closet life. (I mean as far as where I get my paradigms ~~ I don't like to source from other sources.) The Holy Spirit called me out to look at current events apprising me the 666 beast was rising. Then, prompted by the Spirit, I turned to look to see the structure of world economic and political systems. That's where I'm coming from.

I apologize that my comments were denigrating and harmful. I admit that I was a bit prideful and my comment did mean to be critical, but I did not mean it to be an insult. I was never the less wrong and I am sorry.

What a beautiful spirit of Christlike humility. Sometimes, Jesus shines so brightly through humility following admission of pride, that I can't see you now as prideful. I see Jesus shining.

Hopefully this comes off as more respectful. While I agree that we should study scripture through the guidance of the Holy Spirit it can also be very illuminating to study how Revelations has been interpreted throughout history. The history of the early church, the German and English Reformations, and the unique history of Christianity in America is fascinating. Let us not think that we can not learn from other great theologians such as Augustine and Luther who I believe were guided by the Holy Spirit in their interpretations of Revelations.

I absolutely will not read those works to "learn". I have trusted the Bible and the Holy Spirit all my life since salvation as a small child. I was raised in a church where they told me that I was saved by human will and choice, must maintain that human will and choice, or else I would go to hell by "disobedience" in perpetual danger of "changing my mind about Jesus".

I can only tell you that I read the Bible for myself, and the Holy Spirit made me a 5 point Calvinist. And I looked that teacher in the eyes and said, "If any one whit of my salvation rests upon me rather than the Lord Jesus Christ, I am certain to go to hell." (That teacher was shocked and told me that I was a very good Christian and just needed to "stay" a good Christian. Well, my view is that I am not a good Christian but I have a Perfect Savior.) I do not trust "me". I trust Jesus. And am ever surprised at any who would trust themselves (when Jesus saved us from ourselves) rather than Jesus with their salvation.

Having always had the Holy Spirit awaken the scripture to me directly through my own Bible study and prayer, and having found Him a better teacher than anyone else, I am sticking with the Bible, Jesus, prayer, and the Holy Spirit as my teacher.

Thank you very much for your showcasing such Christlikeness in humility.

Laura

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Justsurfing, you are off base.

Mystery Babylon is Roman, the "daughter of Babylon", the "land of the North", the one into whose "hands God gave His people". Compare Rev 18 with Isaiah 46. See also Zechariah 2.

The beast is the one who destroys her, fulfilling God's will (rev 17:17)

Revelation doesn't even mention the abomination of desolation. There is a reason for that. YOU are adding to God's word.

You have stated so many assumptions and falsehoods, I don't even know where to begin. Everything you have said can be proven incorrect with Scripture!

Having said that, yes, I know all about the new world order, the global currency and who is behind it.

Reading through your posts....it's almost like you've taken a scenario in your head and run with it, ignoring scripture that teaches you otherwise.

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree. But I will continue to point out how your points are unScriptural.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Jen, your position cannot be reconciled with mine. I believe I "see your position". I stated in another thread, yes, there is a form of desolation of Israel that is continuing to this day. Agreed. Yes, in the world we will have trial and tribulation and it continues to this day.

Agreed, the time remains to be seen when the 6th seal is opened ending the great tribulation through wrath.

However, we will not agree that there is no literal anti-christ rising in one world government who will commit a specific abomination of desolation (in addition to things that have already happened culminating in 70AD, etc.)

I'd prefer to agree to disagree. However, if you studied the New World Order and saw what is happening right now, you would see that the one world government is rising in a very orchestrated and planned manner through the global collapse of all currencies. So, even if you don't see it in scripture, it's happening right now and preparing to emerge. It's going to happen "real time". I'll agree to disagree and would prefer not to further debate these points with you.

I don't believe our positions will change without further information. I see your information. I see a different view of scripture. I also see everything lining up to fulfill the scripture as I see the scripture. I will not revert to your position. (If you check out my blog on Sotero as 666 beast -- you will see info about a "New International Order". He is moving forward declaring himself world ruler. I know much more of everything fast-tracked to bring that to rapid manifestation. It's absolutely "on track" to feasibly potentially happen by 7/04/2010.)

I think we need to agree to disagree and wait on the Lord to bring agreement (even if you think I'm wrong and it's me that will have to change).

God bless.

July 4, 2010 has passed.

There will indeed be a new world order established. People will be saying "peace and security" as well as buying, selling, planting, building, marrying, eating, and drinking, as Scriptures tell us, when Jesus appears for us and the Day of the Lord begins.

The anti-christ is not going to take the stage until the church is gone. Rev 12 shows you that the church is in heaven when the devil is cast down.

The people that the devil goes after, from that moment on, is the woman who is protected by God. It's no coincidence that Rev 7 shows that moment. - the church standing in heaven when the 144,000 of Israel are sealed on earth. Rev 9 still shows them sealed and protected in the 5th trumpet of the 7th seal.


In fact, Rev 13 says that the anti-christ ("mouth" of the beast) is going to blaspheme those who dwell in heaven. He's not going to speak nice words about us after we're gone, apparently. He won't be able to deny we're gone so he's going to say some nasty things about us.


Rev 12:

10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 13:
6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 

[NightHawkeye]

If you'd like to go joke around and mock people -- please do it elsewhere. This is for discussion of the Bible. On the Day that the burning of Revelation 18 occurs, everyone who is not prepared and on the land in the USA -- those who mock like those who mocked Noah -- are going to be burned alive and annihilated as persons were in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Justsurfing, I was not mocking you at all. Merely affirming your timeline.

In prior posts I have shown that the trumpets are well underway already.

If we are truly at the time point you believe then we are at the time of the two witnesses as well. Who in the media is speaking truth and providing testimony to God? Only Glenn Beck, that I see, and people around him.

 

[LBP]

I know how upsetting it is when some people come around and mock you. It's happened to me before too, many times.
Just try and ignore it the best that you can and understand that we are all in different phases of spiritual development, if you know what I mean.
Some are a little more mature then others. Mature christians do not mock or belittle others.

"Third, many of those who profess to be Christians seem to think that satire is somehow un-Christian, yet it is, perhaps, the only form of humor found in Scripture. Certainly Elijah mocked the priests of Baal, Paul mocked the judaizers, and Jesus mocked the Pharisees. Satire, sarcasm, and ridicule, used in defense of the truth, are legitimate weapons; for falsehood is, among other things, ludicrous."

John Witherspoon, "Secrets of Church Polity," The Trinity Review (May-June 1987).

I guess Jesus and Paul just didn't quite have that whole "Christian maturity thing" down yet.

Let's be blunt: Your approach to biblical interpretation on a matter of central importance to the Christian faith is laughable, silly, an embarrassment, and the sort of thing that gives Christianity a bad name. There is no Christian obligation on my part to be "nice" in pointing this out. Trying to clothe your hatred for President Obama (of whom I'm no fan either) in the cloak of Christianity is despicable.

Golly, LisaLisa, I see that you posted this today -- looks like your "Christian maturity" is a bit of an off-and-on sort of thing, eh?

Westboro Baptist Church....UGH!!!

I saw this group on the 6:00 news a few months ago, and I was horrified! Westboro Baptist Church. What are these people thinking? They are so incredibly ignorant and hateful, it embarrasses and horrifies me. Their website address is so gross that I can't even post the URL address here because it includes a word that isn't allowed. It's www. and then godhates and then a homosexual slang word that rhymes with sags .com.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Matthew 16:
1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. 5 And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.
6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

 

[JagDragon]

Wait - Obama is the 666 beast? Obama?!

He doesn't seem that bad...

 

[zeke37]

July 4, 2010 has passed.

There will indeed be a new world order established. People will be saying "peace and security" as well as buying, selling, planting, building, marrying, eating, and drinking, as Scriptures tell us, when Jesus appears for us and the Day of the Lord begins.

The anti-christ is not going to take the stage until the church is gone. Rev 12 shows you that the church is in heaven when the devil is cast down.

Rev12 teaches us otherwise...
Satan is on earth persecuting Christians...
overcoming the Saints with his flood of lies...
seducing them...
beguiling them...

eventually all but the 144,000 will be seduced by him,
including the rest of the church




13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The people that the devil goes after, from that moment on, is the woman who is protected by God.

the woman is all Israel, not just Judah....
that includes BOTH houses and the SCATTERED tribes,
who have migrated over time and have become other peoples, nations and tongues...hint hint
(Christian nations basically)

Satan goes after CHRISTIANS. as we just read about in Rev12's last verse...

..meaning the CHURCH is here in that time!



either faithful , patiently waiting for Our Lord, (Smyrna and Philadelphia)
or
beguiled/seduced/impregnated harlots for Satan, by his lies...(the rest)



either SEALED thus protected by God,
or
marked of the beast and worshiping him as he pretends to be Jesus returned



7 Candlesticks = 7 churches in Rev1
2 of those 7 churches are NOT chastized by Christ, in Rev2-3
AND
they also share the SAME doctrine that the others don't mention

2 candlesticks are seen against the beast in Rev11.
the church is here in that time....not flying off to heaven

either apostate(not that we agree on what that word means) or faithful

It's no coincidence that Rev 7 shows that moment. - the church standing in heaven when the 144,000 of Israel are sealed on earth.

the 144,000 are from scattered Israel,
ALL Israel
not just judah as most assume.

12 tribes, not the one that calls themselves Israel today

and the 144,000 are completely SEALED before the trib winds blows,
and they follow the Lamb where ever He goes...
that makes them Christians BEFORE the trib even begins
not end time Jewish converts

the 144,000 are NOT JEWS (12,000 are messianic Jews)
and IMO Rev7 does not show any raptured group at all...

it shows the sealed ones on earth (firstfruits alive to be changed and gathered)
and IMO
the sealed ones that have died in the past and are now in heaven,(firstfruits in heaven)
waiting to come back here with Christ as per 1Thes4/1Cor15/Mar13/Rev19
including many gentiles Christians...

one group of sealed from natural Israel/the natural branch
and
one group from the gentile grafted in branch in heaven.

Rev 9 still shows them sealed and protected in the 5th trumpet of the 7th seal.

IMO that is the entire time of the tribulation hour,
cut short for the elect's sake.

In fact, Rev 13 says that the anti-christ ("mouth" of the beast) is going to blaspheme those who dwell in heaven.

by saying that he is Jesus returned,
that would be the most blasphemous thing one could do!
it'll be the biggest church revival that you've ever seen or heard about

he won't be lopping off heads etc...
he will pretend to be Jesus Christ returned and get everyone to worship him as Such

no one but the elect will know who he really is...

the whole world will believe his lies and miracles...
a supernatural fallen angel with supernatural abilities,
beguiling the bride of Christ

He's not going to speak nice words about us after we're gone, apparently.

he is accusing us while he is in heaven even today,
while we are waiting for Michael to cast him here

but there will be silence in heaven for 1/2 that hour,
because he will be physically cast here to earth...
supernatural fallen angel that WILL fool the world,
including the vastest portion of Christians into thinking he is Christ returned

He won't be able to deny we're gone so he's going to say some nasty things about us.

no one will be gone..the church is here for it all!

Rev 12:

10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

you forgot the end Jen!!!!


13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:
6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

by saying the things he will be saying here on earth, claiming to be God
he is doing just that

 

[NumberOneSon]

July 4, 2010 has passed.

Based on her OP, I'm guessing that her reference to 2010 was a typo; She probably meant to say July 4, 2012.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[Steve Petersen]

Ah! Messiah: always coming but never arriving.

Give it up.

 

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Interview with President Barack Obama, Christianity Today, January 2008:

"You've talked about your experience walking down the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ, and kneeling beneath the cross, having your sins redeemed, and submitting to God's will. Would you describe that as a conversion? Do you consider yourself born again?


I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals."
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This single statement should be enough to send this entire thread and the original poster off into well-deserved oblivion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ah! Messiah: always coming but never arriving.

Give it up.

Interesting way of putting that

Luke 19:43 That shall be arriving/hxousin <2240> (5692) days upon Thee and the enemies of Thee shall be according casting a siege-work to Thee and shall be encompassing Thee and pressing/sunexousin <4912> (5692) Thee every which place.

Reve 18:8 because of this in one day shall be arriving/hxousin <2240> (5692) the blows of Her, death and mourning and famine,
and in fire She shall be being burned-down that strong *Lord the God, the One-judging Her.

Strong's Number G2240 matches the Greek &#7973;&#954;&#969; (h&#275;k&#333;), which occurs 29 times in 26 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

2240. heko hay'-ko a primary verb; to arrive, i.e. be present (literally or figuratively):--come.

 

[justsurfing]

July 4, 2010 has passed.

Typo... July 4, 2012 is what I've stated. I'll have to go back and fix that typo. Thanks for the heads up.

There will indeed be a new world order established. People will be saying "peace and security" as well as buying, selling, planting, building, marrying, eating, and drinking, as Scriptures tell us, when Jesus appears for us and the Day of the Lord begins.

The anti-christ is not going to take the stage until the church is gone. Rev 12 shows you that the church is in heaven when the devil is cast down.

Revelation 12 is showing the Kingdom of Heaven coming on earth. In Revelation 12:1, the church is shown arising in the full "dawn" of the glory of the Lord. This is "emblematic" and "symbollic" of arising in full spiritual maturity. The same symbolism is shown in the woman having two wings as eagles.

The church is on earth. Satan pursues the woman to persecute her. She is in the wilderness not in Heaven.

When the church rises, Satan is cast down. That is arising spiritually in sanctification in truth. When we arise in Kingdom power and authority we cast Satan under our feet. It is that dynamic. The scripture says, "Now is come the Kingdom and authority. " The announcement is not that the church has departed, but rather that the church has gained Kingdom power and authority over Satan on earth. The Kingdom of Heaven has come on earth rather than the church leaving earth to "go to" Heaven. The Kingdom is within. This is about sanctification in a special grace of God for those who experience this.

Revelation 12

1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The people that the devil goes after, from that moment on, is the woman who is protected by God. It's no coincidence that Rev 7 shows that moment. - the church standing in heaven when the 144,000 of Israel are sealed on earth. Rev 9 still shows them sealed and protected in the 5th trumpet of the 7th seal.

The 144,000 are in Israel. They are sealed later than the group of Christians in Revelation 12. The group of Christians in Revelation 12 are in a completely protected "area". It's a literal nation with boundaries around it. The 144,000 are in a different situation. They are not a "nation" with boundaries. They appear to me to need to be individually sealed. It's comparing apples to oranges. They're not just the same and won't be spoken of just the same. There are martyred saints in Heaven, also, of course, etc. as a separate issue.

 

[justsurfing]

Based on her OP, I'm guessing that her reference to 2010 was a typo; She probably meant to say July 4, 2012.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Thanks. Yes, type.

 

[justsurfing]

Justsurfing, I was not mocking you at all. Merely affirming your timeline.

In prior posts I have shown that the trumpets are well underway already.

If we are truly at the time point you believe then we are at the time of the two witnesses as well. Who in the media is speaking truth and providing testimony to God? Only Glenn Beck, that I see, and people around him.

Sorry, I thought it was some sort of political "jibe" at me. I have a different opinion, I guess, of Glenn Beck in general. I saw him attack Debra Medina -- Christian Baptist homeschooling mom. I saw him defend Rick Perry -- Bilderberger UN New World Order. Glenn Beck I've marked as someone who speaks some truth, and controls Christians so they don't see how progressed things really are related to the infiltration of the one world govt NWO. I have a lot of friends who like Glenn Beck. I like some of his shows. I don't trust him. God bless.

 

[justsurfing]

Wait - Obama is the 666 beast? Obama?!

He doesn't seem that bad...

He's the 666 beast in my view.

The 666 Beast, Barack Hussein Obama, &#8220;Black-holed&#8221; the Constitution by Taking Office without Constitutional Qualification: The Beast Has Arisen!! | 12 Star Truth

Another aspect of the apocalypse: When the 666 beast enters the office of POTUS without CONSTITUTIONAL QUALIFICATION — UNconstitutionally — the titular head of the USA has JUST “black-holed” the Constitution and former system of Govt. There is no Constitution in place when the POTUS is not constitutionally qualified to take office. That is another way to know that the apocalypse began on January 21, 2009 when Sotero took the oath of office. This brought America under a CURSE. The door to Satan to destroy the USA was opened completely spiritually. The Revelation 18 burning of the USA will occur scripturally as a domino effect as the result of the 666 beast taking office of POTUS without constitutional qualification and with the express purpose, unstated, to destroy America. This is satanic. This is not merely a “legal” or “constitutional”.


The spiritual dynamics of Satan’s attack on the Constitution, and hence Declaration of Independence, to eclipse this Christian nation’s existence are APOCALYPTIC. The spiritual DYNAMICS of Satan’s attack on the Constitution by the 666 beast, who was not constitutionally qualified to be POTUS “swearing into office of POTUS” to “confirm the covenant with many” as he concurrently eclipsed the Constitution into a “black hole”, are a correlation of the events of 2012 when the black hole will align. The satanic kingdom of the 666 beast system came into “full manifestation” in the figure of it’s “titular head”: the anti-christ taking office of POTUS. Now, through the anti-christ, Barack Hussein Obama, Satan will move to bring what is inside the 666 beast into kingdom manifestation of the kingdom of Satan spiritually over the world as the 666 beast system is implemented at the abomination of desolation. GOD is the one who designed the Heavens and the Heavens truly do correlate to His plan being worked out on earth. That is why the wise men saw the star of Jesus’ birth in the east.

From WND:
BORN IN THE USA?
Judges evade Obama birth-certificate query
Abandon plans to penalize attorney whose clients challenged eligibility
Posted: July 25, 2010
7:51 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
Judges on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals suddenly have abandoned plans to assess damages against an attorney whose clients are challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president after he argued that if there was to be punishment, he would have the right to know whether the defendants could have mitigated their injury by publicly releasing Obama’s birth documentation…
The case was filed against Obama, Congress and others just before Obama was sworn into office, arguing that Obama was a British subject and not a U.S. citizen.
“We further contend that Obama has failed to even conclusively prove that he is at least a ‘citizen of the United States’ under the Fourteenth Amendment as he claims by conclusively proving that he was born in Hawaii,” the lawsuit claims.
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Satan introduced a “black hole” to destroy the USA by installing the 666 beast as POTUS with no constitutional qualification. We are functioning WITHOUT the former system of Government IN PLACE to protect us from satanic destruction of our nation and land. The COVENANT that was CONFIRMED on January 21, 2009 to uphold, defend and protect the Constitution ACTUALLY in the “spirit realm” sucked the Constitution into a black-hole taking it out of effective “manifest existence” over the nation lawfully when Sotero stepped into office.


The 666 beast took that oath of office “setting in motion” the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the former USA — the land we are on today and the system of government that formerly existed.


There are unseen spiritual and governmental dynamics that create spiritual law dynamics of blessing and cursing — of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth; of the kingdom of Satan on earth. When the 666 beast entered the office of POTUS, a “black hole” sucked the Constitution out of spiritual existence over the Government, land, and people of the USA from the position of titular head of the USA. Therefore, the “man of lawlessness” has emerged. Law and order has been “sucked into a black hole”. The kingdom of Satan on earth in the 666 beast system that will later manifest in greater fullness in the abomination of desolation, was “geopolitically birthed” by Barack Hussein Obama taking the oath of office swearing to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution of the USA.


Satan has come to destroy America through Barack Hussein Obama. I see it. However, God will renew the nation in greater glory. BUT, we must be prepared for the “rapture” of Revelation 12 in the DESTRUCTION of the land of Revelation 18 — the USA. What Satan has meant for evil, God will turn for our good. But we MUST be aware and READY.


Satan has come to initiate the Great Tribulation and to manifest the lawlessness of his kingdom through the “man of lawnessness”, the 666 beast who comes to destroy Christiandom worldwide and to establish the kingdom of Satan on earth through one world government worshiping him as God.


The “black hole” of 2012 “emerged” spiritually already when Barack Hussein Obama entered the office of POTUS, thus initiating a “spiritual black hole” of the “man of lawlessness” and the kingdom of hell being birthed on earth that will come “in fullness” during his latter half 3-1/2 year world rule reign.


The beast has arisen!!



Here's the original link from OP ~~ Endtime Prophecy ~ Part III Rise of the 666 Beast 1/20/2009 (or 1/21/2009) in Obama (aka Sotero) &#8220;Inauguration&#8221;?? | 12 Star Truth

The man is a Muslim in office of POTUS. He's the 666 beast in my view.

 

[justsurfing]

Rev12 teaches us otherwise...
Satan is on earth persecuting Christians...
overcoming the Saints with his flood of lies...
seducing them...
beguiling them...

eventually all but the 144,000 will be seduced by him,
including the rest of the church

I agree with a lot of what you have to say. Not everything. But I'll just focus on this. The church body of Revelation 12 is specifically protected by God.

Revelation 12: 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This specific group of believers is "in a protected area". They are protected from the face of the serpent. Satan attempts to "reach" this group, but cannot penetrate to reach the land that they are on. Therefore, Satan having been frustrated in his endeavor, turns away from them to go pursue and attack the rest of the Christians on earth he can reach -- those who are not in the protected area:

Revelation 12:15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The scripture in Revelation 18:1-4 shows us God establishing protection for a specific area and group of Christians. This is occurring at the time of the abomination of desolations. The evil of the people has become full so the cup of wrath has become full. Yet, this is not at the end of the 7 year period where the 666 beast kingdom is destroyed worldwide. This specific land mass is burned with fire. There are witnesses outside of the land mass that see the burning of the land mass. Therefore, the timing coincides with the abomination of desolation. We see God's activity in Divinely Intervening to protect this specific group of believers from the 666 beast system as God calls them to come out to be protected from plagues and set apart to God. I submit that this group of Christians who "hear the cry" to come out are the Christians who "make the rapture". The "rapture" is not "rapture" out of this world. Rather, even as Lot was removed to a protected area, these Christians are removed to a protected area. In fact, the glory of the Lord surrounding them "forms" their protection (see Psalm 91) as the land is burned and all evil is destroyed from the land. Satan is cast out of the land through the purification of the fire. That is why Satan cannot enter the land in Revelation 12. The saints have arisen in full Kingdom power and authority in entire sanctification. What is "left" on the land is a Christian body in entire sanctification through Divine Intervention and special grace upon them empowering them to arise in that level sanctification. Thus, then are on a land mass with specific borders that can be defined. The land is then healed from the burning, their borders are sealed against Satan, and they are thus protected in the Kingdom of Heaven come on earth for the latter 3-1/2 years of the Great Tribulation. They "made the rapture" and "become" thereby the body of Christians shown in Revelation 12.


Revelation 18

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 

[NightHawkeye]

I have a different opinion, I guess, of Glenn Beck in general. ... I don't trust him.

Good! He doesn't want you to trust him. Seriously. He wants people to do their own homework. So much of what is perceived to be true is not. Apostate churches are just one example. Media "bias" is another.

As for NWO, perhaps you got some erroneous info about Beck. He elucidates clearly the driving forces underpinning world government. NWO is just one characterization of that particular beast.

Perhaps what I enjoy most about the Glenn Beck show is the mocking of political hacks and liars. The irreverence is perhaps most damaging to the political hacks who hold themselves up to be worshipped.

The thing about the Glenn Beck show is that you don't have to trust them. Everything is exposed using "original" sources. For political targets, that means using their own words. A beautiful thing, truth is.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Interview with President Barack Obama, Christianity Today, January 2008:

"You've talked about your experience walking down the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ, and kneeling beneath the cross, having your sins redeemed, and submitting to God's will. Would you describe that as a conversion? Do you consider yourself born again?


I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals."
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This single statement should be enough to send this entire thread and the original poster off into well-deserved oblivion.

Uh...and by their fruits we will know them... AND look closely at what he said: He didn't say that Jesus is his LORD and SAVIOR, now did he?!!!! He didn't say that he is born again. He said, "MOST IMPORTANTLY, I believe in the example Jesus set by feeding the hungry..." More than Christ's sacrifice/cleansing of sins - the reason Christ came - the most important thing about Jesus is his example in feeding the hungry, according to Obama. No wonder Muslims are allowed to become members of that church he attended for 20 years! His words were chosen very carefully. The devil himself would agree with every statement. Obama is not a born again Christian - Obama never admitted to that. Even the devil believes in Christ.