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if god is spirit and eternal and indestructible, then why do you say some spirits can be destroyed? can god be destroyed? can spirit be destroyed? how do you understand spirit anyway?
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Proper grammar, starting the sentence with a capital.
That's some hermeneutic. . .and some serious misapplication of texts.
Context is not taken from other books in the Bible.
Context is taken from the passage of Scripture in which the verse (1Co 15:50) is located (1Co 15:35-50).
Context and parallel are not the same thing.
Let's stay with the context.
Mt 24:38--25:1 is not a parallel of 1Co 15:50.
Why did you not also include the parable of the talents along with the parable of the ten virgins in Mt?
There is no separation between them, just as there is no separation between the parables of the faithful wise servant and the ten virgins.
The three points presented in Mt 24:38--25:1 are all the same; i.e., the unexpectedness of the coming of Christ, the catching up of believers, and the consequences of not being ready through faith for Jesus' coming.
It has nothing to do with 1Co 15:50, which is the conclusion of the discussion on the nature of the transformed resurrection bodies of believers.
You do not understand the NT Scriptures. Mt 24:38--25:1 is not the context for 1Co 15:50, not is it a parallel.
That's some serious boot strapping.
I can boot strap verses together and prove there is no God.
In the faith,
Calre
And Jesus did not preach to the Gentiles.
He commissioned the apostles to do that (Mt 28:18-20).
In the faith,
Clare
I couldn't agree with you more!I am Orthodox, like I said earlier, we do not accept Rapture Theology
as presented in sources similar to the Left Behind.
The end of time is the second coming of Christ, the general resurrection, the final judgment, and then for those who believe in Jesus Christ, life in eternity in the new heavens and new earththen maybe you should explain what do you mean by "END of TIME"?
is it literal or metaphorical?
Jesus said he came down from heaven (Jn 6:38, 42, 62).At the time these words were written, no one knew what was in the clouds. Do you think Heaven is in the clouds? In outer space? Does Jesus come down from anywhere, and if he did, who would be the lucky Nation to witness it?
What about Christ's resurrected body composed of the matter of "flesh and bones" (Lk 24:36-39). Does it die?Gospel of Thomas
(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."
Heaven is within us and all around us. We see (it) through a glass darkly, yet face to face. Spirit exists as matter exists. It is why our spirit is subjected to spiritual things.........like sin. The Holy Spirit, angel, demons, Jesus himself is spirit. We are flesh. There is not up/down. In/out. We are spirit/soul living in matter body. Jesus was the same and reanimated body. Spirit control all matter. We only control our matter, but with enough faith could control all matter (move mountains).
All matter will die. Spirit isn't matter and will live eternal.
You did not answer any of the points I presented.See what I mean Hillsage? This one has been taught by the dispensational minded teachers to use big words like ''hermeneutics''
No, I don't serve the God of Moses/Yahweh, nor do I serve the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob/El Shaddai.
In the faith,daq said:EXO 6:2 God/'elohiym spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD/Yehovah;3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty El Shadday, but by My name, LORD/Yehovah, I did not make Myself known to them.
And yet, by serving the Most High God/El Elyon as Jesus did, I serve them both. And even as "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" So also am I, not grafted into that which is fleshly Israel...though fully grafted into that which is spiritual Israel.
I think daq is saying that he/she is trying not to be overbearing,
not that you should try not to be overbearing.
In the faith,
Clare
The bad guys lives are taken. Christians are left alive to rule with Jesus and the Church in a 1000 year glorious reign of the Church.Wait, so the Church will be left behind and the evil ones will be taken in rapture?lol jk
You did not answer any of the points I presented.
You make it hard to take you seriously.
This may explain why:
daq said:No, I don't serve the God of Moses/Yahweh, nor do I serve the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob/El Shaddai.
daq said:EXO 6:2 God/'elohiym spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD/Yehovah;3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty El Shadday, but by My name, LORD/Yehovah, I did not make Myself known to them.
And yet, by serving the Most High God/El Elyon as Jesus did, I serve them both. And even as "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" So also am I, not grafted into that which is fleshly Israel...though fully grafted into that which is spiritual Israel.
In the faith,
Clare
When in Rome...and these forums don't seem to far removed at times.See what I mean Hillsage? This one has been taught by the dispensational minded teachers to use big words like ''hermeneutics''
So, are you talking physically, or spiritually? Because I am not under the OT or the covenant of death. I am not unlike MOST JEWS who live in Israel. When one visits there they find that they do not try to follow TORAH! WHY? Because the traditions and commandments of men/pharisees with their 'ORAL TORAH' has claimed equal value to the 'WRITTEN TORAH', and in doing so; They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; . Burdens so heavy the Jews don't even try.Yet in the Book which I read we are to eat all of the Passover Lamb; with both the good and the bad, the sweetness and the bitterness, even with the bitter herbs prescribed; and we are to leave none of it till the morning come, both myself and all that are in my house.
But as I read those texts, I see nothing about him PREACHING to her.So by their own ''hermeneutic'' they come to the conclusion that Yeshua ''Did NOT preach to the Gentiles'' and by this they also effectively cut themselves off from most of the Gospel teachings and words of Yeshua because, after all; if Yeshua did not preach unto Gentiles then they have carved out for themselves a concocted separate ''age'' which they imagine to have dawned with the conversion of Paulos in his time. Yet all of this nonsense flies in the face of the fact that the woman of Matthew 15:24, (which I quoted from) is a heathen, Gentile, Canaanite woman from the regions of Tyre and Zidon:
And when she revealed a true change of heart and mind she was then, and only then, grafted into the lost sheep of the house of Israel: and that was BY FAITH. This is not to say that the Jews do not need to undergo the same process, (which is why it is so much more difficult).
What "dead body" did he take up? You're 'overbearing' me again.for no Pharisee and teacher of Israel would have taken up a dead body at the evening dawning of a high Shabbat Passover knowing it would have defiled him for the full seven days of Unleavened Bread; that is, unless the same one truly loved Yeshua.
daq said:for no Pharisee and teacher of Israel would have taken up a dead body at the evening dawning of a high Shabbat Passover knowing it would have defiled him for the full seven days of Unleavened Bread; that is, unless the same one truly loved Yeshua.
What "dead body" did he take up? You're 'overbearing' me again.
I couldn't agree with you more!
But that is not the Biblical rapture, that's a vain fancy of man's imagination.
The Biblial rapture is at the end of time, the end of the world.
In the faith,
Clare
The bad guys lives are taken. Christians are left alive to rule with Jesus and the Church in a 1000 year glorious reign of the Church.
It's the end of the fallen world as we know it, where death reigns.the resurrection of the Dead and the bringing into Christ of all living is not the end of the world. That is the judgment period, where the goats will be separated from the sheep. After this, the world is recreated, perfect and whole.
Yes, that is the invisible kingdom within you (Lk :20-21) set up at Christ's first coming during the past Roman empire.Actually, His Kingdom will never end. Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
The Nicene Creed:
I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ...Who will come again in glory to judge both the living and the dead. Whose kingdom will have no end.
That was not my reason saying you were though. It is all the Hebrew that I have to interpolate. I personally don't think Jesus is going to refuse to answer my prayer, but he will answer yours, because you call him Yeshua. That's like saying my friend 'Bob' won't answer me as quick as you because you call him 'Robert'. My opinion on all the Hebrew stuff is, I AM NOT HEBREW. And I'm not a Hebrew/Jew wannabe either. No offense intended Bro...or Sis (Might want to clear that one up for me/us.Perhaps that is why some might construe me as being ''overbearing'' because the things I speak are from the Scripture but I cannot possibly quote every passage.
Your friend is "overburdened"??? Are you saying you shouldn't have given the address to him then?The same friend wrote back that they could not find any postings of mine here. Perhaps ''overbearing'' is in the mind of the ''overburdened''?
Ah yes, I had forgotten about that one. But then I also have received teaching that 'Good Friday' is a myth, and that's why it requires all the gymnastics to prove 3 days/nights in the grave. But Saturday wasn't the only Sabbath day either. Maybe that's what you were referring to. If it is, then you make a huge assumption concerning the ability of people here to see through that 'veil' again.As for Nicodemus he and Yoseph took up the body of Yeshua:
Jesus said he came down from heaven (Jn 6:38, 42, 62).
How can I put this delicately?
I don't need man's view of the clear word of God.
It is clear and plain in itself, and not subject to human alteration.
Jesus was hidden by a cloud when he returned to heaven (Ac 1:9).
And I see no reason not to believe that he will appear in the clouds when he returns,
just as the word of God states (Mt 24:30; 1Th 4:17).
What about Christ's resurrected body composed of the matter of "flesh and bones" (Lk 24:36-39). Does it die?
And the "Gospel of Thomas" is not canonical, to be received with faith.
In the faith,
Clare
Yes, that is the invisible kingdom within you (Lk :20-21) set up at Christ's first coming during the past Roman empire.
In the faith,
Clare
It's the end of the fallen world as we know it, where death reigns.
In the faith,
Clare
I think daq is saying that he/she is trying not to be overbearing,
not that you should try not to be overbearing.
In the faith,
Clare
And that is exactly how I took it.
He/she (? you're correct, I've assumed 'he') may be "TRYING", but as I read his/her posts I can't help but feel that many readers would assume 'arrogance' on his/her part. And arrogance is part of the definition of 'overbearing'. But I also recognize that there is fine line of judgment between 'arrogance', which is bad, and 'assurance' which is good. But deception is simply a reality for all of us in our doctrinal stances...IMO anyway.
That was not my reason saying you were though. It is all the Hebrew that I have to interpolate. I personally don't think Jesus is going to refuse to answer my prayer, but he will answer yours, because you call him Yeshua. That's like saying my friend 'Bob' won't answer me as quick as you because you call him 'Robert'. My opinion on all the Hebrew stuff is, I AM NOT HEBREW. And I'm not a Hebrew/Jew wannabe either. No offense intended Bro...or Sis (Might want to clear that one up for me/us.)
Your friend is "overburdened"??? Are you saying you shouldn't have given the address to him then?
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