The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine? But accepted?

[Biblewriter]

Who is your bishop? Pretty much all of the actual theologians of the Orthodox Church reject your beliefs. They know what these men actually said too. We're not down with doctrines of men but the faith that has been traditioned.

I am not interested in what men claim these men wrote. I am telling you what they actually said, and where they said it. If you are not willing to go check these out for yourself, that is your problem.

 

[DingDing]

Go back and read post #48 in this thread, and then get back to me.

Yes, post #48 trumps anything else you will find on the internet.

 

[Biblewriter]

LOL- okay. Anything to promote the premillenial dispensationalism, eh?

So, when you cannot answer me, you resort to childish insults?

 

[Biblewriter]

Yes, post #48 trumps anything else you will find on the internet.

The difference in post #48 is that I have cited actual original documents, with detailed information about how to check them out. This is something most internet sources fail to do.

 

[seashale76]

I am not interested in what men claim these men wrote. I am telling you what they actually said, and where they said it. If you are not willing to go check these out for yourself, that is your problem.

You're assuming I haven't seen any of it before. You'd be wrong. However, what you assume and what actually is are two very different things. In other words, you're letting your own interpretations of what you read color your beliefs. You can't explain the fact that nobody truly believed in this premillenialism mess before 200 years ago. It would be because it never caught on as Christ's Church rejected it. Go to church outside of the US in places that were Christian before US missionaries started peddling their ways (many times they were Christianized by the Apostles themselves). You won't find this belief.

 

[DingDing]

The difference in post #48 is that I have cited actual original documents, with detailed information about how to check them out. This is something most internet sources fail to do.

And have you actually looked into what I suggested?

 

[TurtleAnne]

If the tribulations happen in my lifetime, then I hope God will let us stay. Think of how many people we could possibly help lead towards salvation, with so much proof staring them in the face. It seems like it would or could be a time when those who are able to speak up and speak out could possibly help others. Feels like it would be a more meaningful bodily/mortal death, down to the wire for as many souls as possible.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

If the tribulations happen in my lifetime, then I hope God will let us stay. Think of how many people we could possibly help lead towards salvation, with so much proof staring them in the face. It seems like it would or could be a time when those who are able to speak up and speak out could possibly help others. Feels like it would be a more meaningful bodily/mortal death, down to the wire for as many souls as possible.

Do you think that people aren't Christians for lack of "proof"?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Biblewriter]

And have you actually looked into what I suggested?

Actually, I did. And all I found is what I expected to find. A few quotations that could, by straining, be interpreted to allow for such a concept. But when understood in the context of what the others of that age taught, this completely breaks down. And unlike what I posted, there was not even one comment that actually taught such a concept.

 

[Followers4christ]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

Does anybody has a Biblical answer?

First you are right the word "rapture" does not appear in the bible, but the event of believers be taken are. The event of the "rapture" is backed up by the following scripture.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-11 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:40-42 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

Regardless if you believe in pre-, mid-, post- tribulation we are all one in Christ and end time theology does not really matter in regards to salvation as we all believe that Christ is King and is coming for his bride soon.

 

[Biblewriter]

You're assuming I haven't seen any of it before. You'd be wrong. However, what you assume and what actually is are two very different things. In other words, you're letting your own interpretations of what you read color your beliefs. You can't explain the fact that nobody truly believed in this premillenialism mess before 200 years ago. It would be because it never caught on as Christ's Church rejected it. Go to church outside of the US in places that were Christian before US missionaries started peddling their ways (many times they were Christianized by the Apostles themselves). You won't find this belief.

The actual truth is, that premillennialism was taught, and very clearly taught, by every Christian commentator on Bible prophecy in the first two hundred years of the church. This doctrine was never denied by even one Christian writer until the church's third century. And anyone who denies this is either grossly ignorant or an outright liar.

 

[BroIgnatius]

There are hundreds of websites and scholars that have already researched these events and discussed it until it couldn't be discussed hardly any more. The common consensus is that there is much more support in the Bible for a pre-tribulation rapture.

Actually, that is not true. This theory is new, less than 150 years or so.

 

[Followers4christ]

The actual truth is, that premillennialism was taught, and very clearly taught, by every Christian commentator on Bible prophecy in the first two hundred years of the church. This doctrine was never denied by even one Christian writer until the church's third century. And anyone who denies this is either grossly ignorant or an outright liar.

Regardless of what end time theology is right or wrong, lets not forget that people who studied prophecy for years and years of the coming Messiah got it wrong. They crucified the Messiah and killed his disciples. People and the church have got it wrong before. So lets not condemn one end time theory when neither of us know how this will play out.

 

[John Hyperspace]

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

God will try everyone with fire. The fearful and faithless will lose hope and fall away. There's a catching up, but it doesn't occur until the coming of the Lord. No one is going anywhere, and I believe most who believe they are to be caught up before the coming of the Lord will fall from the faith, having their hope shaken.

 

[Tull]

Carrie Fisher's mother Debbie Reynolds has been rushed to the hospital.....we all die folks,is it worth arguing about something many if not all of us here will never see.


The gospel is simple,beleive on the lord Jesus Christ and his work on the cross to save you from your sins,to pay the price you cannot pay and take his righteousness upon you,the glory of salvation is God's alone.....what realy matters after that.

 

[Biblewriter]

Actually, that is not true. This theory is new, less than 150 years or so.

In post #48 of this thread, I presented hard proof that this claim is simply incorrect.

 

[John Ashcraft]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

Does anybody has a Biblical answer?

Taken, gathered, caught up, resurrected. The Day for the gathering is the Day of Trumpet (Lev 23:24-25; Zeph 1:16-18?; Matt 24:31; I Cor 15:52; I Thess 4:16-18; Rev 11:15ff Day of Trumpet Typology; Rev 12:1 with the womn clothed with the Sun in 2017) in the Jubilee year that Israel celebrates it or the year after (Lev 23:24-25; Lev 25:20-23). Jardalkalatgmail.blogspot.com

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

Does anybody has a Biblical answer?

Can you find the word Trinity in the Bible ?

Is the Trinity true or false ?