The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine? But accepted?

[Frank Lo]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

Does anybody has a Biblical answer?

 

[faroukfarouk]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

Does anybody has a Biblical answer?

1 Thess. 4: It simply refers to the church being 'caught up' to be with the Lord in the air.

Matthew 24 seems to refer to tumultuous events on earth after which the Lord comes to the earth in power and glory.

 

[ewq1938]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

The word Rapture is actually very much in the bible. One must merely do a little bit of studying in the original languages.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be <b>caught up</b> HARPAZO/RAPTURE together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When this verse was translated into Latin from Greek, the Greek word "harpazo" was replaced by the the Latin verb rapio meaning "to catch up" or "take away" (the Latin noun "raptus" "a carrying off"). The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek as rapiemur. In Middle French "rapiemur" is "rapture" meaning ("to carry away") which is the same meaning as Rapture in English. So while the English word RAPTURE is not in scripture the Greek word HARPAZO is in scripture and it is the origin of the word rapture. So, yes, a rapture is very biblical. A pre-trib rapture is not biblical because Paul places the rapture after the tribulation and second coming and after the resurrection of the dead.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Cowherder]

There is a false doctrine surrounding the idea of Rapture. The idea is that God will gather you before the great tribulation if your a Christian - and that you will not have to be on earth during that time.

Mark 13 - the olivet discourse.

Pay special attention to verse 24-27 which implies the gathering of Gods people occurs after the great tribulation not before.


Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[ewq1938]

There is a false doctrine surrounding the idea of Rapture. The idea is that God will gather you before the great tribulation if your a Christian - and that you will not have to be on earth during that time.

Exactly, Amen.

 

[Cowherder]

Exactly, Amen.

Further study,

Thessalonians 2 The Day of the Lord and the man of Sin

There Paul states again that we should not be deceived - before Jesus returns first we will see the Antichrist.

In Revelation
Revelation 20:4King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

You can also read the word of Jesus in all of the Gospels which repeat that first comes tribulation and Antichrist followed by the gathering of Gods people.


I beleieve this falsehood of a pre tribulation comes from Satan Himself. Many who find themselves in the midst of that time will forsake God because the foundation of their faith was laid on the idea that they would escape this time. They will not be prepared apiritually Or physically. After the Olivet Discourse Jesus tells the parable of foolish and wise virgins..... Can He be any clearer what or who is being discissed here? This was written specifically as a warning to the false Rapture teaching of our day

 

[tdidymas]

The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?

But accepted?

Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?

Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?

Does anybody has a Biblical answer?

"Rapture" is a word that comes from 1 Thes. 4:17 from the Grk term for "caught up": Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This word was originally used for a (false) idea that the Christian church would be "raptured" (resurrected/translated) prior to the Great Tribulation, which is a Dispensational idea. The Bible does not support this idea. Paul in 1 Thes. 4:17 was talking about the resurrection of 1 Cor. 15, which is the resurrection of the saints, which will come at the time of Jesus' 2nd advent, not prior to it.
TD

 

[BroIgnatius]

From the pamphlet, The Rapture:

This position, now known as the "pre-tribulational" view [of the rapture (a completely new and novel idea)], also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism.

The Catholic and biblically correct view:

As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been "amillennial" (and has been the majority Christian position in general, including that of the Protestant Reformers), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called "millenarianism" (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism "cannot safely be taught," though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

Pope St. Peter gives a balanced view:

"But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace" (2 Pet. 3:8–14).

From the Catechism:

The Church's ultimate trial

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many Cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:12.) The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth (Cf. Lk 21:12; Jn 15:19-20) will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. (Cf. 2 Thess 2:4-12; 1 Thess 5:2-3; 2 Jn 7; 1 Jn 2:18,22)

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. (Cf. Rev 19:1-9) The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. (Cf Rev 13:8; 20:7-10; 21:2-4) God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world. (Cf. Rev 20:12 2 Pet 3:12-13)

 

[Stillicidia]

God talks to His people. Not made up out of thin air, rapture came from somewhere. Scripture does support it.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[ewq1938]

God talks to His people. Not made up out of thin air, rapture came from somewhere. Scripture does support it.

That's clearly incorrect. See my previous post.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[rockytopva]

The bible speaks of people being taken away in normal, ordinary times...

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24

This accompanied with the 1 Thessalonians 4:17 prophecy, is what we regard as the rapture of the church.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

Pre-Trib Research Center -

Who are the Elect?

I believe the elect in Matthew 24 is a reference to the Jewish remnant who will come to faith in the Messiahship of Jesus during the tribulation period. Commentators generally recognize that "elect" "may refer to Israel, to the Church, or to both."[11] The context is the determinative factor in any attempt to discover which nuance the author intended. The contextual usage of Matthew supports the elect as a reference to Israel because of the Jewish orientation of the passage. "Such terms as the gospel of the kingdom (24:14), the holy place (24:15), the Sabbath (24:20), and the Messiah (24:23-24) indicate that Israel as a nation is in view,"[12] observes Dr. Stanley Toussaint. Dr. Renald Showers provides a more focused explanation:



The elect are the faithful, believing Israelite remnant in contrast with the unbelieving sinners within the nation. In Isaiah 65:7-16 God drew a contrast between these two groups and their destinies. In verse 9 He called the believing remnant "mine Elect," and in verses 17-25 He indicated that in the future Millennium His elect remnant of the nation will be blessed greatly on the earth.[13]



Since the term "elect" is used three times in Matthew 24 (verses 22, 24, 31; see also Mark 13:20, 22, 27), it is most likely that the author uses it to refer to the same entity all three times. Dr. McAvoy says, "The rule of context precludes understanding 'elect' in 24:22, 24 as referring to Israel and then nine verses later as referring to the church. Without some indication of transition from one intended meaning to another 'elect' in 24:21 must mean the same as it does in 24:22, 24."[14

 

[Tull]

The bible speaks of people being taken away in normal, ordinary times...

Happens all the time....its called death.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are three types of saints:

Old Testament saints
New Testament saints
Tribulation saints

The New Testament saints will be raptured before the Tribulation starts.

The verses that pertain to going through the Tribulation apply to the Tribulation saints, not the New Testament saints.