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The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?
But accepted?
Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?
Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?
Does anybody has a Biblical answer?
In case you did not notice, I cited two scriptures, not just one. And I could cite a number of others. But that would be pointless. When God declares something in plain words. Once is enough.The Word always bears witness with no less than two or three accounts. Where else does the Word teach that the Lord God removes His people, and their godly influence, from taken land to prevent their genocide? Scripture plainly teaches that the righteousness of God remains, but that which is evil and not willing to submit to Him is removed.
There is nothing new under the sun (Son). Nor does God ever change His ways! The New Testament is hidden within the Old Testament. The New Testament is the revealing of the Old Testament.
So where am I in denial? The Word is spirit, which is to say that it cannot be observed with the naked eye. It is life to those that find it!
I wish you peace Brother.
I never really believed in a pre-tribulation rapture for a number of reasons. I've read some on Dispensational End Time literature and I just don't see how they figure. One Dispensationalist on here did some bizarre interpretation that had the seals, trumpets and vials coming together instead of at the beginning (seals), middle (trumpets) and vials of wrath (near the end). I think the church faces the Antichrist, that's who the martyrs beneath the alter are (fifth seal) and how the armies of the Antichrist knows the Lamb is punishing them at the opening of the sixth seal.The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?
But accepted?
Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?
Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?
Does anybody has a Biblical answer?
I have no problem with this. I, of course, think you are mistaken. And we can discuss the correct interpretation of scripture till the cows come home. But my only beef is with those that circulate disinformation about the source of the concept.I never really believed in a pre-tribulation rapture for a number of reasons. I've read some on Dispensational End Time literature and I just don't see how they figure. One Dispensationalist on here did some bizarre interpretation that had the seals, trumpets and vials coming together instead of at the beginning (seals), middle (trumpets) and vials of wrath (near the end). I think the church faces the Antichrist, that's who the martyrs beneath the alter are (fifth seal) and how the armies of the Antichrist knows the Lamb is punishing them at the opening of the sixth seal.
I don't think it's Satanically inspired, I just don't think it's consistent with book of Revelations.
My only problem with the subject matter is it goes off on tangents. I think the fact that you need specialized theologies, Dispensational and Covenant theology respectively, speaks substantively to the limits of the material. What's more, before we get into a discussion of the Rapture it only makes sense that we discuss the promise of the resurrection in the gospel. Then perhaps emphasis the secondary nature of the subject of when it occurs, because among most believers the question is never if it will occur.I have no problem with this. I, of course, think you are mistaken. And we can discuss the correct interpretation of scripture till the cows come home. But my only beef is with those that circulate disinformation about the source of the concept.
Do these verses speak of the resurrection?Yes sir, you can give me two examples of scripture from the same letter, and examples from other books within the New Testament accounts. Jesus plainly stated, " Lo, I come in the whole volume of the Book."
What should cause you to seek Truth is to pour over all of Jesus's written testimony. As a senior member, such as yourself, you should find it apalling that somehow, God has changed.
There are many obscure written accounts, i.e., apophrygal, that do not even mention such an event. The book of the prophet Enoch says the wicked will be taken, and the righteous will remain. Noah and his family were kept and the wicked were removed. The book of Judges all plainly present Father God's nature of occupying the land through battles given to the righteous. The presence of the wicked was no more.
No sir! The only scriptures you can give as evidence of a rapture event will only come from the New Testament. The same argument you present, with the same scriptures, is the very same that all learned others with this ideology give as proof. Guard your heart and seek Him! For He is the Truth. Stop guarding wrong teaching. There is nothing there that will set you free.
Yes sir, you can give me two examples of scripture from the same letter, and examples from other books within the New Testament accounts. Jesus plainly stated, " Lo, I come in the whole volume of the Book."
What should cause you to seek Truth is to pour over all of Jesus's written testimony. As a senior member, such as yourself, you should find it apalling that somehow, God has changed.
There are many obscure written accounts, i.e., apophrygal, that do not even mention such an event. The book of the prophet Enoch says the wicked will be taken, and the righteous will remain. Noah and his family were kept and the wicked were removed. The book of Judges all plainly present Father God's nature of occupying the land through battles given to the righteous. The presence of the wicked was no more.
No sir! The only scriptures you can give as evidence of a rapture event will only come from the New Testament. The same argument you present, with the same scriptures, is the very same that all learned others with this ideology give as proof. Guard your heart and seek Him! For He is the Truth. Stop guarding wrong teaching. There is nothing there that will set you free.
Do these verses speak of the resurrection?
"As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. "Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God; (Job 19:25,26)
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. (Daniel 12:2,3)
Jesus, Himself, said,The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?
But accepted?
Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?
Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?
Does anybody has a Biblical answer?
From the pamphlet, The Rapture:
The Catholic and biblically correct view:
Pope St. Peter gives a balanced view:
From the Catechism:
Apparently, doubts had arisen among the Thessalonian Christians regarding the fate of those Christians who had died before Christ returned. Would they miss out on the glorious events of Christ's second coming and the resurrection? Paul assured them in this way that God would save those who had already died, as well as those still living.
There are a lot of different positions on this and usually you will find many quotes of verse. You asked for a "biblical" answer. I believe this is biblical but not verse for verse. It has been well explained how "rapture" is referred. We all agree with that. But as for the actual rapture, see if it fits this. We know we will be raptured to be caught up. There are two sources for the raptured at this point. First the dead (in the grave) then the living (those of us if we are still alive on that day) in Christ. The tribulation is not a test of acceptance of Christ because many who will be caught up from the grave did not have that same test and yet were of Christ. No, the tribulation is a failure of Satan and his followers to lead the whole of human civilization to battle with him as leader. Those who have already given themselves to Christ will be caught to avoid the horrendous turmoil and will be so since there is no longer any need to witness to any person in the world. Our day of reckoning has come. The dead AND the living in Christ have served as required. Why would our Lord allow the dead to avoid the turmoil of the tribulation but the living have to go through it? Is it that much of a crapshoot? No, we living and those dead IN CHRIST will be delivered and be in the presence of the Lord as promised by Jesus as fulfillment of His word. The dead shall not be required to go through this most bleak of times on earth (there will be nothing like it in the history of mankind) and the living who have given their souls to Jesus will not be required to go through it. We will be taken to our heavenly reward, but there will be sinners on earth left to decided and they will be known as the tribulation saints. They will receive their salvation eternal, but not the reward of the rapture.The Rapture is not Biblical, False Doctrine?
But accepted?
Can't find the word rapture in my bible only accepted by a lot Christian circles, why?
Does Satan wants to deceive us and make us lose hope, be afraid?
Does anybody has a Biblical answer?
I agree. Also, when you think about it... if Christians are being killed for their belief, during the tribulation period... how many would be left to be raptured at the end of a seven year killing spree of believers?There are a lot of different positions on this and usually you will find many quotes of verse. You asked for a "biblical" answer. I believe this is biblical but not verse for verse. It has been well explained how "rapture" is referred. We all agree with that. But as for the actual rapture, see if it fits this. We know we will be raptured to be caught up. There are two sources for the raptured at this point. First the dead (in the grave) then the living (those of us if we are still alive on that day) in Christ. The tribulation is not a test of acceptance of Christ because many who will be caught up from the grave did not have that same test and yet were of Christ. No, the tribulation is a failure of Satan and his followers to lead the whole of human civilization to battle with him as leader. Those who have already given themselves to Christ will be caught to avoid the horrendous turmoil and will be so since there is no longer any need to witness to any person in the world. Our day of reckoning has come. The dead AND the living in Christ have served as required. Why would our Lord allow the dead to avoid the turmoil of the tribulation but the living have to go through it? Is it that much of a crapshoot? No, we living and those dead IN CHRIST will be delivered and be in the presence of the Lord as promised by Jesus as fulfillment of His word. The dead shall not be required to go through this most bleak of times on earth (there will be nothing like it in the history of mankind) and the living who have given their souls to Jesus will not be required to go through it. We will be taken to our heavenly reward, but there will be sinners on earth left to decided and they will be known as the tribulation saints. They will receive their salvation eternal, but not the reward of the rapture.
Absolutely. We are currently going through the worst flooding in the history of the US right now - in Houston. It will take years to recover. I have been through three floods and each time every day for almost a year was a struggle. Yet, I know I was blessed to have the means to come out them unharmed in the sense of not horrible. Not like Israel has bore so many times. Not like the Jewish people under Hitler. Not like the Spanish inquisition or certainly not like the Christians in the middle east today. Not like the POWs under the Japanese or those against the likes of Chinese communists. I can imagine the days of the tribulation will be like nothing the earth has experienced. The US might be buried under feet of volcanic ash. Those surviving will have to give up their belief in God, or watch as their children turn them in to be beheaded. Their family members might be cannibals..., it will be unlike anything mankind has experienced and possibly making the holocaust pale in comparison. No, why should we be forced to go through that when we have publically declared our faith in Jesus, the Messiah of all mankind? I would love for my next encounter with the Lord to be as described, heir of a mansion that he prepared for me. To live in His presence and present my crown to Him for His glory, not mine. If I must live through the tribulation I would rather walk up and give my head to the block knowing where I am going and knowing that I cannot help in leading another soul to Christ.I agree. Also, when you think about it... if Christians are being killed for their belief, during the tribulation period... how many would be left to be raptured at the end of a seven year killing spree of believers?
Could any of you survive, for seven years, in this world, as a believer, if you could not work, buy or sell?
If you think you could.... tell me how you figure that.
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