The question of the snake in Genesis.

[justlookinla]

They have discovered elements of Josephus in the book of Acts, putting it's creation in the 90's CE. Since the book of Acts ends with Paul arriving in Rome, and makes no mention of his death or the fall of Jerusalem, it qualifies as a forgery that is attempting to establish itself as a work of the 50s and 60s CE. Sort of a "Pauline school has the last word" sort of thing.

Or, they have discovered elements of Acts in Josephus.

 

[ChetSinger]

Pauline scholars place it last in the set of scriptures that can be relied on to learn about the historical Paul. When it conflicts with Galatians, for example (ie. the conversion narrative, the split with Barnabas and Paul's dissent against the Jerusalem apostles), they go with the story that Paul wrote in his own large letters rather than the unknown author of Acts.

At this point I'm going to bow out because our discussion is no longer related to the OP, or creation & evolution. I agree to disagree.

 

[JacksBratt]

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

I don't understand you point behind this quote of scripture.

 

[Linuxgal]

I don't understand you point behind this quote of scripture.

It teaches that Christ is not really one with the Father, because there is at least one piece of data that the Father withheld from him.

 

[JacksBratt]

It teaches that Christ is not really one with the Father, because there is at least one piece of data that the Father withheld from him.

It is generally accepted that God the Son, or Jesus Christ, did not know the day or the hour when he was still flesh, before and after the cucifixion. However, now that He sits at the right hand of His father, it is accepted that He does know now as He part of the Holy Trinity in whole. He has now ascended to His rightful place and is not God/man.

I know this will not be acceptable to you but remember, when Christ was still a man, He asked His father to remove this cup from me, but not my will but thine. This showed that as a man He had different desires as far as the crusifixion was concerned but was obediant to His father.

 

[Linuxgal]

Or, they have discovered elements of Acts in Josephus.

Jews for Jesus is like chickens for Colonel Sanders.

 

[justlookinla]

Jews for Jesus is like chickens for Colonel Sanders.

Your antichrist bias is showing.

 

[Linuxgal]

It is generally accepted that God the Son, or Jesus Christ, did not know the day or the hour when he was still flesh, before and after the cucifixion. However, now that He sits at the right hand of His father, it is accepted that He does know now as He part of the Holy Trinity in whole. He has now ascended to His rightful place and is not God/man.

I know this will not be acceptable to you but remember, when Christ was still a man, He asked His father to remove this cup from me, but not my will but thine. This showed that as a man He had different desires as far as the crusifixion was concerned but was obediant to His father.

Your defense resorts to what the Roman Catholic Church calls the heresy of Nestorianism, which is the idea that the divinity of Jesus is completely separate from the humanity of Jesus. This is a common belief among Protestants derived from the Zwingli tradition who rejected the idea of Mary as "God bearer". They say she only gave birth to Jesus' humanity.

 

[justlookinla]

It teaches that Christ is not really one with the Father, because there is at least one piece of data that the Father withheld from him.

Why would that mean He wasn't one with the Father?

 

[Linuxgal]

Your antichrist bias is showing.

That was my oblique way of indicating that Josephus would no more know or care about a Pauline travelogue than Billy Graham would preach from 2 Nephi in the Book of Mormon.

 

[justlookinla]

Your defense resorts to what the Roman Catholic Church calls the heresy of Nestorianism, which is the idea that the divinity of Jesus is completely separate from the humanity of Jesus. This is a common belief among Protestants derived from the Zwingli tradition who rejected the idea of Mary as "God bearer". They say she only gave birth to Jesus' humanity.

And this has what to do with creation/evolution?

 

[Linuxgal]

And this has what to do with creation/evolution?

What does your previous question, "Why would that mean He wasn't one with the Father?" have to do with creation/evolution ?

 

[justlookinla]

What does your previous question, "Why would that mean He wasn't one with the Father?" have to do with creation/evolution ?

What does your earlier Josephus reference have to do with creation/evolution?

 

[Linuxgal]

What does your earlier Josephus reference have to do with creation/evolution?

You just exceeded my extremely low tolerance for Bolshevik.

 

[justlookinla]

You just exceeded my extremely low tolerance for Bolshevik.

How about your tolerance for the antichrist spirit?

 

[JacksBratt]

Your defense resorts to what the Roman Catholic Church calls the heresy of Nestorianism, which is the idea that the divinity of Jesus is completely separate from the humanity of Jesus. This is a common belief among Protestants derived from the Zwingli tradition who rejected the idea of Mary as "God bearer". They say she only gave birth to Jesus' humanity.

I don't really care about the Roman Catholic's Heresy of Nestorianism. In fact there are many things about the Roman Catholic church that I disagree with, as well as the church I attend. I am not religious. There are no perfect "religions" out there. All religions are man made and are flawed. I follow one that is as close as I believe I can come, in my town and country but what I strive for is a close relationship with Christ, my Savior. Everyday, every choice is made trying to be more like Him. It is impossible but it is the target that my sight is on.

Christ was God and Man. If He was wholy God, the temptation would have been a mute point, the sinnless life would have been as well. Mary gave birth to a human child that had God as it's soul. God lived as human, ate, drank, walked, got tired, got slivers, went to the bathroom, laughed, cried, studied and became a Rabi, then, gave the most world changing three years of service in the ministry ever.

If He was wholy man He could never have endured the punishment that was given to Him and last up until He chose to give up His spirit. Also, He could not have defeated death, descended to Hell, taken the keys to Hell and then been resurected and spoke to thousands of people after His death and then ascended to the right hand of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your antichrist bias is showing.

Seconded.

 

[EternalDragon]

Matthew, Luke, and John all have disagreements in regards to the life and teachings of Jesus. Really obvious and blatant ones. Plus, historical records destroy some of the Luke accounts, and Luke is considered to be the only book in the bible even written close enough to when Jesus was alive to have some eyewitness testimony without years and years of "telephone game".

For example, John presents Jesus as claiming that he and god are one. I can't remember exactly what book, but another biblical text says the exact opposite in such a concise and obvious way it makes me wonder why not everyone notices it. But then again, I read pretty fast, so maybe when there is significant time inbetween books you don't notice these things as easily?

There is a dual nature to Jesus. He was God but he was also a human
being. God was still present in spiritual form when Jesus existed. It's
not an easy concept to wrap your mind around but that is why you seem
to see suspected disagreements when they really are not.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

yes, most churches say 'impossible', and
Yahushua did plainly say "with men" is is impossible,
but that doesn't mean it
is impossible. most churches simply don't let God do the impossible, and
they won't teach you or anyone else to let God do the impossible,
even though
Jesus said "with God, all things are possible", including for good example
"you must be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect".....
he wasn't just sprouting tomatoes....
and so therefore,
even though you were taught and still to this point think or believe it is impossible,
and even though that is entirely true for men,
nevertheless,
it is not just entirely possible for God, but is His expectation to do so for all those who trust in Him to do so, exactly as His Son Jesus says.(which see;look up; read and keep reading, as only He is Able, yet He Promises to do so for men who trust Him to do so).

.....There are no perfect "religions" out there. All religions are man made and are flawed. I follow one that is as close as I believe I can come, in my town and country but what I strive for is a close relationship with Christ, my Savior. Everyday, every choice is made trying to be more like Him. It is impossible but it is the target that my sight is on.
..........

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

simply, written to ekklesia,
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in Yahweh: Walk as children of light. Ephesians 5:8